Let's build the Phillies' 2011 bench, shall we?
This idea has been percolating in my head for a little while, but since the Phillies' offseason has essentially slowed to a crawl after Cliffmas, the topic is still relevant despite my procrastination.
Backing up for a minute, the December onslaught of TGP pieces on the Phils' bullpen by David S. Cohen, taco pal, and FuquaManuel should have hammered one inescapable conclusion into Phillies fans: with the starting rotation Smugs Amaro has stockpiled, we're not likely to see that door out in right-center field open a whole lot. Even last year, last man in the bullpen David Herndon thrice went 10 days between appearances, as the Phillies' relievers combined to throw a league low 420 innings.
You can probably see where I'm headed with this (or, if not, you're likely very confused as to why I'm discussing the bullpen in a post about the bench): why do the Phillies need to carry 7 relievers next year? There's no good reason they can't get away with 6 -- maybe even 5 if they're feeling lucky -- which opens up a number of possibilities on the bench. In one of his newsletters last month, Joe Sheehan addressed just such a possibility:
...This is important, as the Phillies' team age is a concern. A strong, deep bench -- and there's no guarantee that Ruben Amaro Jr. can assemble one -- could serve as a key buffer against both performance decline and injury concerns. If you expect your starters to keep you in games, that increases the potential tactical value of specific players: right-handed bats to hit for Raul Ibanez and Domonic Brown, pinch-runners for Ibanez and Carlos Ruiz, a middle infielder who can contribute offensively to take the weight off Jimmy Rollins.These players don't really exist in the system... [A]mong the remaining free agents are Bill Hall, who can almost play six positions and has typically hammered lefties; Marcus Thames, who may be the best lefty-masher left in the pool; and Corey Patterson, 21-for-25 stealing bases a year ago. These players may be flawed, but if you can have a six- or seven-man bench, you can focus on what these guys can do, rather than what they can't...
(Incidentally, I'd highly recommend subscribing to Joe's newsletter.)
I happen to agree wholeheartedly, though I think there's plenty of room to quibble over the names (especially since Hall and Patterson are off the market at this point). As a matter of fact, let's go ahead and do just that below the jump.
Let's start with what the Phillies have on hand right now. As Matt Gelb of the Inquirer noted in a blog entry the other day, the locks for the 2011 bench are Brian Schneider and Ross Gload. Wilson Valdez is likely to grab a spot as well (he is an MVP caliber player, after all), but as Gelb notes, it's not "a stone-cold lock," so let's go on the assumption that the other 4 bench spots -- much as I'd love it, the Phillies aren't going with a 7-man bench, so let's work with a 6-man bench here -- are wide open.
Let's also make one more assumption before we get started: that Ben Francisco will be the club's starting right fielder on Opening Day, and that the organization will therefore do the smart thing and start Domonic Brown in Lehigh Valley to give him regular at bats.
What do we absolutely need? Focusing on defense for a second, a backup middle infielder and backup center fielder are on the agenda.* You aren't likely to get anything offensively out of a legitimate backup shortstop -- see Valdez's .258/.306/.360 performance in 2010, which represented a career year -- so one way to deal with that fact is to simply accept it, and assign the defensive duties to one roster spot, a sort of defensive supersub, if you will.
*No, I don't trust Francisco (and his spotty ability to read the ball off the bat) or John Mayberry (and his 15 career games at the position) as center fielders in the event that Shane Victorino spends time on the DL.
There aren't a ton of candidates for that position, and it wouldn't be prudent to expect Rule 5 selection Michael Martinez to emerge in this role, especially as he's spent the past few years moving further and further off shortstop. Turning to the free agent market, the best option is Jerry Hairston, who sports a career 2.1 UZR/150 at short and a career 11.9 UZR/150 in center field. Just for good measure, add in that he's got a career 6.0 UZR/150 at second base, and that he's dabbled at third base and the corner outfield spots. Sure he can't hit, but his Bill James projected wOBA of .299 is still superior to Valdez's .289, and we've got added defensive versatility.
So there are the defensive problem spots (catcher, middle infield, center field) taken care of, and we've still got three roster spots left. Practically speaking, one should be filled by an infielder who can handle third base, and at least one should be another outfielder. I nominate Rays castoff Willy Aybar for the first role -- his glovework is passable at both third and second, and while he had a down year with the stick in 2010, he's a 27-year old switch hitter who hit .253/.329/.413 in the two seasons before that. Essentially, he's a better offensive and defensive version of Delwyn Young.
While Gload represents the best pinch hitting threat against righties, we've got no one to face lefties, so let's go with Sheehan's suggestion to grab southpaw-masher Marcus Thames. He can nominally play the corner outfield spots, but his real value comes in his career .264/.333/.505 performance against lefties, and his career .297/.402/.527 performance as a pinch hitter.
That leaves one bench spot left, and I'll be honest -- I'm stumped on how to fill it. I'd be tempted to grab a specified pinch runner, but no one out there really fits the bill. The aforementioned Patterson is off the market; Scott Podsednik won't sign for the limited at bats that would be on offer; and the remaining possibilites (Randy Winn, Willy Taveras) don't possess the sort of game changing speed that would outweigh their offensive ineptness.
So that said, I have two thoughts for the last bench spot. The first is to let everyone the club has invited to spring training (Valdez, Mayberry, Jeff Larish, Young, Martinez, Brandon Moss, and Josh Barfield) fight it out to be the 25th man. The second possibility is an intriguing one: wait out the DH shuffle, and see who's left standings at the end. You're not going to sign Manny Ramirez or Vladimir Guerrero to be a bench bat, but maybe Jason Giambi will be without a chair when the music stops. Heck, you always know that Mike Sweeney's around, and while he provides nothing with the glove, he's still managed a .270/.329/.443 line over the past two years and would represent another pinch hitting weapon for Charlie Manuel. Let's call that spot Sweeney's for now -- mostly cause I just like the guy -- but recognize that he's merely a placeholder.
And so we wind up with this:
Brian Schneider (C)
Ross Gload (1B)
Marcus Thames (OF)
Willy Aybar (IF)
Jerry Hairston (IF/OF)
Mike Sweeney (1B)
The only thing we're really missing is a dynamite pinch runner. Defensively, we've got every position covered, with Hairston capable of serving as a late game replacement pretty much anywhere he'd be needed. For pinch hitters, Gload is on hand to face right-handers, Thames and Sweeney will handle left-handers, and the switch-hitting Aybar can face either (though he's been better against lefties in his career). Further, Thames can spot start for Ibanez against the odd southpaw, while Aybar can fill in to give either Chase Utley or Placido Polanco a day off.
Most important, none of the above signings are going to break the bank. This late in the offseason, Thames, Aybar, Hairston and Sweeney can't possibly demand more than $1 million or so on a 1-year deal. Ruben Amaro is up against his budget right now, but there still seems like a good chance that Joe Blanton and his $8.5 million salary will be dealt. Even if not, a couple of small deals to round out the bench is a necessary investment.
And that, Ruben Amaro, is how to build an effective bench on a budget.
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I’m completely with you on the center field issue. They need someone who can plausibly play the position for a significant stretch incase Shane gets hurt again.
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“Batting 5th, in LF, Raul Ibanez. Batting 6th, in CF, Ben Francisco, Batting 7th, in RF, Russ Gload”
Wouldn’t that be great!
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by dannijd on Jan 18, 2011 2:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Mayberry either heads north as a reserve or leaves the organization. He should be at least serviceable as a lefty-masher off the bench, can run a little (20 steals last year) and can handle both corners if not CF. He’s 27, so there’s not much further to be gained by hoping he can get good enough against RHP to earn everyday consideration.
If they flip Mayberry for a hypothetical speedy AAAA centerfielder, it would make some sense. This of course would then cue Gillies to have a great season and make this person redundant by Sept. 1.
by Wet Luzinski on Jan 16, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
I would welcome both of those developments.
by philsandthrills on Jan 16, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
I would love to see this...
But i just don’t see the org making 3 or 4 free agent moves to sign bench players. They will probably just stick with organization guys to fill the holes.
I’m glad I’ve avoided alot of the offseason chatter so far. People are still rambling on about the Phillies age even though it’s a stupid argument. At the beginning of 2010 everyone was saying “Everyone on the Phillies is in the prime of their career!” and now that they lost in 2010 and had a bunch of flukey injuries they’re old not even a full year later? It’s ridiculous. Luckily, Charlie is the manager of the Phillies and not any of the fans/media.
And this really is an obnoxious comment, demonstrating little to no understanding of the typical aging curve of MLB players, etc. You win the prize.
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Aybar / Hairston
Really like the idea of both these guys, had no idea Hairston is that versatile. Yet, I don’t think the Phils will go after either of them, and they’ll just stick with org guys.
Who do you think it will be then?
I would guess:
1. Francisco
2. Gload
3. Schneider
4. Valdez
5/6. Orr and/or Mayberry
Assuming, of course, that Brown makes the team.
by taco pal on Jan 17, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is what I’m thinking.
I really doubt they pick up any FA’s, and none of the minor pickups will breakthrough in Spring Training. Well, maybe Delwyn Young instead of Mayberry or something, but beyond that, not much.
by philsandthrills on Jan 17, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Nah he's strictly left field.
Doesn’t have the arm for right.
I still want a “three true outcomes” lefty masher, so in this respect Thames makes a lot of sense. They need someone to stymie some LOOGYs.
Oh, lefty masher, not masher who is left-handed.
by philsandthrills on Jan 16, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
The other name I didn’t mention — or, more accurately, I only mentioned half of — that’s a possibility for the southpaw-masher role is Scott Hairston. Career .278/.331/.498 line against lefties, and he’s a capable center fielder.
Hall
Would be a great addition to this ballclub
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by phillyeaglesfan on Jan 16, 2011 11:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We could also get a bench player back in a trade for Blanton (or, for that matter, Kendrick, or even both).
I know that (for whatever reason) the trade market seems to have shaken out such that you’re not going to get anything of value back for Blanton from a team that’s willing to take on his salary. The same is probably true of Kendrick. But then, most teams don’t view reserves as being anything much of value so maybe a fit can be made.
For instance, the Diamondbacks look like they have a shortage of starting pitching and a surplus of backup infielders.
I do think Domonic Brown will make the team though. Just a feeling. My guess is that he’ll start out in a platoon and then see his PT vs. lefties increase gradually later in the season.
If he has a good training camp, I can’t see him not making the team.
Is Paul Holmgren really bad at managing the salary cap? Does Matt Stairs enjoy getting his ass hammered by guys?
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Hope he doesn’t get hurt and wind up on injured reserve. :)
Yes and gah! I have no idea why I said “Training Camp.”
I meant Spring Training. Obviously.
/Walks away with red face
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I’d be fine with that. The nightmare scenario is that Francisco is installed as the full-time starter, with Brown kept on hand to serve as 4th outfielder; if the former happens, then Brown really needs to be playing every day in Lehigh Valley.
Plus, of course, Brown making the team as the starting right fielder would eliminate the conundrum of that last bench spot.
Of course, that nightmare scenario would basically be a repeat of last September.
So, brace yourself, it’s certainly a possiblity.
by philsandthrills on Jan 17, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
It is 30 going on negative 5 and snowing outside, what do you think?
by dannijd on Jan 18, 2011 2:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Then apparently Spring has come to where you live. Could you please send it north quickly- I am tired of the cold and the snow!
by dannijd on Jan 18, 2011 4:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, it’s only -28F here, which isn’t terrible, considering, and we’re getting a good four hours of daylight, so, yeah, Spring is beginning it’s long, slow trudge in from the cold.
Soooooooo…you’ve just basically convinced me that I would go crazy in Alaska.
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by LeepinLizardz on Jan 20, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Some great ideas but I don’t see the team spending any money until Blanton is off the books.
It looks like Thames is going to the Dodgers and Andruw Jones is going to the Yankees, both of whom would have been good fits.
And Jerry Hairston just signed with Washington, and his brother signed a minor league deal somewhere. We’re running out of options.
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by LeepinLizardz on Jan 20, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t see the need for a “speedster” in the 25 man to fit the role of pinch runner in late-game situations. To my naked eye, the only below average runner in the starting lineup (considered to be PR for) is Ibanez. And one person doesn’t warrant the need. I don’t get all the “Ruiz is slow” talk as Sheehan was intimating at (and other Philly writers have, too). Has he gotten that much slower in recent years? What doesn’t get talked is how he scored from first on Rollins’ walk-off double in the ‘09 NLCS pretty much without a play at the plate. When he’s healthy, he’s fine.
I think Sheehan, like most national commentators, simply assumed that Ruiz was slow because he’s a catcher.
I’ve never had the impression that Chooch was particularly slow. (Of course, he isn’t particularly fast either, except by catcher standards.)
Ibanez is fairly slow, but he’s way faster than Pat Burrell, for what that’s worth.
Fangraphs has Ruiz’s speed score in 2010 as 1.6. His career speed score is 3.0. I have no idea what this means, unfortunately.
other 2010 speed scores
Victorino 7.6
Rollins 6.5
Valdez 5.5
Sweeney 5.3 (?)
Utley 5.2
Francisco 5.1
Werth 4.9
Polanco 4.4
Ibanez 3.9
Howard 3.7
Gload 2.9
Blanton 2.6
Schneider 2.6
Halladay 2.2
Hamels 2.0
Ruiz 1.6
Kendrick 1.3
Oswalt 0.8
Moyer 0.8
Some of this looks a little fishy to me…
Sweeney’s would have been his career high for a full season — 5.3 was with the Phillies only, in 58 PAs, and seems to be a product of a small sample.
I found the formula for Speed Score, about half-way down here. Developed by Bill James, it’s on a 0-10 scale, with 5 being average, and it’s made up of four components: SB%, frequency of steal attempts, percentage of triples, and runs scored percentage.
Stole Base Percentage = (((SB + 3)/(SB + CS + 7)) – .4) x 20
Frequency of Attempts = Square root of ((SB + CS)/(1B + BB)) / .07
Percentage of Triples = 3B/(AB-HR-SO) and then put on a scale based on this chart:
< .001 = 0
.001 – .00231 = 1
.00231 – .00392 = 2
.00392 – .00583 = 3
.00583 – .00804 = 4
.00804 – .01055 = 5
.01055 – .0136 = 6
.0136 – .01587 = 7
.01587 – .01898 = 8
.01898 – .02239 = 9
> .02239 = 10
Runs Scored Percentage = (((R – HR)/(H + BB – HR)) – .1) / .04
Then anything one of the components that is below 0 you make 0, anything about 10 you make 10. Then take the mean of the 4 components.
You know they could just clock guys like they do in the NFL ….obviously there’s more to basestealing and baserunning than flat out footspeed, but it’s easy enough to clock guys and that can tell you quite a bit.
They do. They just don’t have a combine or anything like that where that stuff is done systematically and the results publicized.
A lot of them won’t register under 15 mph or so, and some of the less expensive units don’t work under 25 mph. Even then, they may not be accurate for another 5-10 mph over their minimum. I don’t know exactly what model radar guns are used by the various teams, but it’s entirely possible that a lot of players would fall into the inaccurate range.
Bob.
You don’t need a radar gun. The distance from first to second base is a known factor, so it would only be a matter of timing. You’d need to account for the lead, but I think that could be estimated fairly accurately (though, at such a short distance, miscalculation of a foot would really affect the result).
You mean use a stop watch. If I have a power tool that can do the job faster and more accurately than a hand tool I will try to use it first. But apparently, according to the Dark , the radar gun isn’t capable of this measurement. I bet there are ways to do it with a digitized feed if you calibrate things correctly.
I imagine you could do it using video, provided it’s taken from a proper angle. They do this stuff on Mythbusters all the time.
Man I would love to work on the Mythbusters crew. Ever see the episode where they tested the “using explosives to knock off the hardened cement from the walls of the cement mixer” myth….they ended up blowing the thing up for shits and grins. What a way to get paid.
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How about when they reproduced that 2 stage Civil War rocket? Some real fucking steam punk there.
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by LeepinLizardz on Jan 20, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t either, to be honest. By the way, Howard led all MLB first basemen in speed score in 2009.
I agree that Ibanez is slow for a left fielder, and that Chooch may be on the fast side for a catcher, but I would not say that Ruiz is faster than Ibanez The only reason I may pinch run for Ibanez before Chooch is that there are fewer options at catcher if his replacement gets hurt.
not speed, per se, but:
baseball-ref’s baserunning value has the following, in runs above average:
Victorino +4
Rollins +3
Francisco, Utley +2
Polanco, Valdez, Werth +1
everyone else except Ibanez 0
Ibanez -1
supposedly this measure combines “all baserunning events: SB, CS, PB, WP, and defensive indifference.”
by perfectdepth on Jan 18, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
or FWIW baseball prospectus' "equivalent base running runs"
Victorino 5.8
Rollins 2.7
Werth 2.0
Valdez 1.7
Utley 1.5
Ransom 0.6
Gload 0.5
Francisco 0.4
Oswalt 0.1
Sardinha, Kendrick, Carpenter, Happ, Sweeney, Bocock, Hoover 0.0
Brown, Schneider, Hamels, Polanco -0.2
Dobbs, Figueroa -0.3
Blanton -0.4
Mayberry -0.7
Moyer -1.2
Halladay -1.3
Ruiz -1.5
Ibanez -1.7
Castro -1.9
Howard -5.8
by perfectdepth on Jan 18, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
With a 5-man bench, I agree that a designated pinch runner is kind of a waste, especially in the regular season. But I do think that with a 6-man bench, the upgrade in speed from, say, Howard or Gload to someone like Corey Patterson has a substantial enough effect in close and late situations to justify the roster spot.
Well, late season, they could fill that role with Gillies or Hernandez, provided they call them up solely as defensive replacements/pinch runners. I don’t know that either will be MLB hitters by season’s end, but both are renowned for their speed and Hernandez, at least, is already on the 40 man, so you don’t burn an option that you aren’t already using anyway.
Is Pods still around? I recall what you said about enough playing time but couldn’t he also play LF or RF?
Last time I checked, he’s still looking for a job.
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by LeepinLizardz on Jan 20, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Bench
I enjoyed the article and kinda like your moves…except Valdez is such a good defensive shortstop. I would not let him go. With the Starters we have, defense is foremost! I agree with having only 6 relievers and five starters. Thames and Hairston would help!
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Didnt we sign the guy who made the great catch in Buerhle’s Perfect game two years ago? He could be a potential CF replacement, if he still is on the team.
And i was waiting for the Pedro Feliz name to pop up when u were talking about a defensive specialist.
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Pedro Feliz was, I believe, the worst player in the majors last year. Or at least, he was about 3/4 of the way through the year.
by philsandthrills on Jan 21, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.
Brandon Wood’s numbers are ridiculous.
Wowwwwww.
by philsandthrills on Jan 22, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions

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