Even If Jimmy Rollins Will Be Vastly Overpaid in the Last Year of His Next Contract, That Alone Isn't a Good Enough Reason to Let Him Walk
So here's a brief thought experiment. Pretend you're the general manager of a major league baseball team. And pretend one of your star players is still productive but past his peak. Let's say he reaches free agency. And let's say you have a secret crystal ball in your desk drawer that reveals that over the next three years, this player will decline. In fact, the crystal ball tells you the precise WARs that he will post each year: 5.0, 2.5, and 0.5. Let's say that you do not expect to have any clear-cut sub-market options at his position over the next three years. And let's say the fair market value of 1 WAR is about $5 million. And let's say we're living in an inflation-less universe.
Let's say the player's agent calls you up one day and tells you that his client is demanding a three-year deal worth $35 million. Should you give it to him?
For the benefit of those of you who aren't big on rhetorical questions, the answer is yes, you should. The player will produce 8.0 WAR over his contract. Those 8.0 WAR will be worth $40 million. If you have no choice but to fill the position through free agency, then $35 million is a good deal.
But what about the final year of his contract? Won't you be paying through the nose for a player who isn't very good anymore? Well, first of all, you have no way of knowing that right now. The only things you know about this player's contract demand are the total salary and the average salary, not the salary for each year. For all you know, the deal could be structured so that it pays $24 in the first year, $10 in the second, and $1 in the third.
But why would you even care about how it's structured anyway? If, instead of structuring it as suggested above, you just pay this guy $11.67 million in each of the three years, then you can just take the money you saved in the first year, stick it in a two-year CD at your local Citizens Bank, wait for it to mature, and finally use it for your "overpayment" in the third year. What difference would it make? (And mind you, that's in an inflation-free world. On Planet Earth, we have inflation most of the time, perhaps even more so in MLB than in normal sectors of the economy.)
Now, obviously, this doesn't mean that the final year's salary doesn't matter. Of course it matters. If the player demands a three-year deal with the final year's salary pushing its total value to $45 million, then you shouldn't give it to him. But that isn't because he would be drastically overpaid in the last year of his deal. It's because he would be overpaid in total.
Lately, I've been seeing way too many people make the following bad argument for why Jimmy Rollins shouldn't be re-signed: (1) Jimmy's old and declining. (2) He'll probably get a four-year deal somewhere, worth an average of $X million per year. (3) By the time he gets to his fourth year, he'll probably be shot. (4) So whoever signs him will really regret it when they find themselves paying him $X in Year Four. (5) Therefore, the Phillies should abandon the idea of re-signing Rollins and instead give a shorter contract to Rafael Furcal or Alex Gonzalez.
That argument has a lot of problems even apart from the one I'm focusing on. For one thing, while Jimmy's certainly declining (aren't we all), he isn't that old. For another, just because he'll be old doesn't mean he'll be shot in Year Four of a hypothetical deal. "Shot" is fine as a worst-case scenario, but you're not supposed to conduct contract negotiations based solely on worst-case scenarios. You do it based on expected values, and whatever you think a reasonable expected value of a Rollins Year Four might be, I'm pretty confident it isn't zero.
But the main problem with the argument is the one already articulated above. I completely agree that Rollins probably won't be worth $15 million (or whatever the average salary in his new contract will be) in the year 2015 - at least not if 1 WAR still costs only $5 million then, which it very well may not. But if you're specifically pointing to that issue as a key basis for your argument, then you're not evaluating the situation properly. The value of the final year is only relevant insofar as it impacts the value of all the years put together.
As a final aside, I would observe that when Cliff Lee signed a contract one year ago that will pay him $25 million in 2015 when he's 36 going on 37, nobody complained about it, even though there's a pretty fair chance that he'll be more overpaid that year than Rollins will be. That's because everyone understands intuitively - at least when they want to understand it - that just because a contract overpays you at the end doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad contract. Everyone knows that contracts that underpay players at the beginning and overpay players at the end are the norm, not the exception, and therefore, over the long run, it all evens out. But too many people can't seem to apply that intuition to the present Rollins situation, which is very frustrating. It sure looks to me like there are a good number of folks out there in media-land who began their thought processes by deciding, for whatever reason, that they were going to be on Team "Let Jimmy Walk" and are now straining post hoc for rationales to justify that stance.
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Rafael Furcal is 33 years old turning 34 in a few days. Alex Gonzalez is 34 years old turning 35 in February. Jimmy Rollins is 32 years old turning 33 years old in November.
Yeah.
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In fairness, the writer who proposed those alternatives was operating on the assumption that you could get those guys to sign for fewer years than Jimmy. Of course, if that’s the case, then there’s probably a reason for that. Like maybe the fact that (a) Gonzalez sucks, and (b) Furcal is a bigger injury risk than Rollins and has a greater chance of sucking in the future than Rollins does.
Signing a guy for fewer years, in and of itself, provides no advantage if those years are less productive or if the replacement will decline sooner. If there was some reason to believe that there was a market inefficiency that made Rollins overvalued relative to the other guys (not just pricier than them), then things would be different. But no such reason was given.
If you sign them Furcal to 2 years or Alex Gonzalez to 1 year at the end of those deals they are the same age as Jimmy after 3 years. The only thing those two save you may be in money, but as you said Furcal is too much the risk and Rollins is far better than Alex Gonzalez. So really, the best value for the Phillies is Rollins, even if it is a year longer than what Furcal or Gonzalez might sign for.
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Furcal
I wonder if being on a team that wins the world series during a contract year increases the market value of players. I don’t have any data to back that up, but my gut tells me some sort of (although unjustified) “winning the World Series” premium is placed on them. I’ve read that in college basketbal,l players that are in the final four drastically shoot up team’s draft boards in the NBA draft. If something similar happens for baseball free agents, I would think Furcal would have more demand on the open market in length and per year than Rollins would have.
Edgar Renteria got a $2.1 million contract for 2011 after putting up relatively pedestrian numbers in limited at-bats, but he also got that shiny trophy for blasting a 3-run bomb off Lee in Game 5 of the World Series.
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by TheOrangeCone on Oct 24, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree. A good showing in the WS by Furcal would raise his value. However, I don’t think even an epic performance would make him likely to get more years/ money than Rollins- he is still an older, less talented, more injury prone player, so while his price may go up, just as Renteria’s did, it is highly unlikely to me that he would leapfrog Rollins.
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by dannijd on Oct 24, 2011 12:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the NBA daft is different, in that draftees are fairly unknown commodities and the extra opportunities to see them against good competition is what raises their stock the most. I don’t think it’s because they’re a winner, as much as it is that they performed against top teams and not just second tier teams.
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Well, first of all, you have no way of knowing that right now.
And here’s where it kind of veers into denial.
It certainly appears to me that you didn’t understand what that sentence was even referring to in its context. The point that I was making there isn’t controversial.
I’ll probably disagree with you even after you get it, but let’s at least disagree based on what I meant.
I agree with your general point that the overall contract cost and risk are the real issues. But it’s basically disingenuous to suggest that we don’t have a pretty good idea what the value will look like in the final year. We have good projection methods and good data to use in them. We know most contracts are backloaded — if not in terms of pure dollars, nonetheless in terms of cost per marginal value. We don’t have “no way of knowing” those things, we have lots of ways of knowing.
All I’m saying is that just knowing the average value of a contract doesn’t mean you know how much the last year is going to cost, which is just a fact. Anyway, the only reason why I even got into that was to set up the next point, which is that it doesn’t matter.
I think we would agree that the last year of the deal is likely to be the worst year almost by definition, when you’re dealing with almost any free agent.
Here’s an exercise you might find interesting to apply to this situation. When Sabathia signed his big contract for 2009, I took the total amount ($161 million) and redistributed it over the seven years of the deal, based on his PECOTA projections for the following several seasons. So instead of seven years of exactly $23 million, it looked like this:
2009 – $29.0 million
2010 – $30.7 million
2011 – $26.3 million
2012 – $23.0 million
2013 – $19.2 million
2014 – $18.2 million
2015 – $14.5 million
(I didn’t bother to factor in the time value of money in shifting funds around, but the effect would not be huge.)
The relevance, as you probably will get right away, is that it puts the true cost where it belongs proportionately, not where the contract’s payment schedule (fairly arbitrarily) puts it. This method says, if you have to overpay a guy for one or two extra years to get him to sign, you’re doing it because of his excess value in the early years, not because he’ll be worth it in the out years.
So grab some Rollins projections and see how it comes out.
A starter is supposed to produce at least ~2 WAR. If a player were projected to produce less than that it isn’t clear if it is worth it to run him out there every day to produce his 0.5 WAR so it perhaps isn’t right to include that in his contract WAR total. In a similar vein, I think the marginal WAR in excess of 2/season are much more valuable than the first 2 A player that produces 5, 2.5, (0.5) is much more valuable than one who produces 2.5, 2.5, 2.5 even though both come out to 7.5 WAR.
J Roll’s opening bid was five years. He’ll probably go for a three year deal. But what if his bargaining spot is four years? Would it be worth paying more per year for three years to avoid the fourth year?
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Perhaps three years with a vesting option for a fourth?
by ThinMountainAir on Oct 22, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, I highly doubt Jimmy will end up with a 3 year contract. I think its easily going to be at least 4 years.
I don’t know why people automatically assume that he’ll get 3 years, seems like wishful thinking to me.
by philiafan14364 on Oct 22, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You should let Rollins walk..
If there was a younger, better alternative who was obtainable at the same or better marginal value…And that would be……wait for it….still thinking….
Paying big bucks to Rollins is a risk, no question…he may begin to decline rapidly next year, shortstop being a position that quickly reflects a decline in range and speed. But the better bet is that a three year contact will be viewed as good value, giving the Phils time to groom a successor..Of course, our wunderkind GM will probably fool us all and sign Furcal to a five year contract
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The only thing in this post I disagree with is this bit:
If the player demands a three-year deal with the final year’s salary pushing its total value to $45 million, then you shouldn’t give it to him. But that isn’t because he would be drastically overpaid in the last year of his deal. It’s because he would be overpaid in total.
In fact, I think given the circumstances (no better options, have to go through FA), that it’s ok to overpay Rollins in total. I wouldn’t want to go too much higher than this, but an overpay wouldn’t be terrible here.
I agree to an extent- 45 million is a lot of overpay, though, if we are to assume that the player’s value is $36m. I am not sure what Rollins’s value looks like on the open market (and in some ways I shudder to think about it), but 25% is a lot- at what point does it no longer make sense.
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I was trying to find Rollins projections at Baseball Prospectus…. best I could come up with is what looks like projected VORP, which doesn’t look too bad going forward. (BPro’s player pages are not as helpful as I’m guessing they think they are.)
but the main reason I bring this up is that I noticed that their FRAA metric does not rate Rollins’ defense well at all, and really never has. He scored above average this year, and in 2008, but well below in most other years and for his career. I don’t know what to make of this. There’s been a lot of talk there of revising their defense metrics, and Colin Wyers, of course, is outspoken about his problems with the other systems (because of the garbage in, garbage out data problems), and his arguments have made sense. So I’m inclined to take him seriously. But I also don’t know if the FRAA listed represents his changes, since BPro’s been really horrible about updating stuff.
There are only three scenarios in which I can envision us NOT resigning Rollins:
1. Ruben decides he wants Reyes at any cost.
2. We trade Dom Brown, Jesse Biddle, Vance Worley and Justin DeFratus for Logan Morrison and Hanley Ramirez.
3. The Giants come out of the gate with a 5 year/75MM guaranteed offer for Jimmy.
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You actually think number 2 would eve happen?
I actually think number 3 is the most likely.
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No, but its an example of the KIND of trade for a SS that would have to happen for Jimmy to not end up here.
Ruben will make some kind of splash. I think its more likely you see something like Brown and Polanco for David Wright though.
But I don’t think Ruben will go to 5 years for Rollins, and I think thats the biggest stumbling block. Does Jimmy stay here for 1 less year, or take the money and run?
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I think that’s the million-dollar question (no pun intended). We don’t know what he wants.
On the other hand, the Ruben Amaro Special is a one year too many deal, so who knows. He’d better not trade Dom and Polanco for Wright, though…I would love to have Wright on the team, but not if it means giving up our best prospect under 25…
Puke… please Ruben, leave the few prospects that the Phillies have left alone.
The real question is this- given Hanley’s work ethic and injury issues, would Ruben even be interested in him? Further, even if he is interested- is Hanley going to be able to continue to play short stop- I have heard reports that he has put on some weight and is getting a little big for the position.
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by j reed on Oct 23, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
1. Ruben decides he wants Reyes at any cost.
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Please, O Mighty Baseba’al, do not let this come to pass. Reyes is going to get so overpaid in his next contract.
by ThinMountainAir on Oct 22, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt it. Ruben’s going to be under pressure from the owners to keep from overpaying due to the Phillies butting up against the luxury tax. Not to mention Reyes is going to be demanding a five-year deal and is a major injury risk anyway, so I don’t think it would fly.
Everyone keeps saying that but if you look at the commitments RIGHT NOW, even if you give Hamels 17MM this season, and Pence 10MM, you’re sitting at about 125MM in payroll for everything but closer, SS, bench and bullpen.
(assuming you don’t bring Oswalt back)
sign a closer at 10mm per, you’re at 135mm
bring back Francisco, Martinez, use Brown/mayberry in LF, and Kratz at backup C another bat for 1.5mm per and thats 6mm more, so 141mm
Contreras and the closer are 2 spots in the Pen. Herndon, Stutes, Bastardo, and two of the AAA guys are about 3MM thats 144MM
Ruben could sign Reyes at 20mm per and still be less than last year payroll wise.
Its not that far fetched, financially, especially when you consider that we have the makings of a very cost controlled bullpen over the next few seasons, and two outfielders in Brown/Mayberry, under control cheap, along with a 5th starter (Worley)
The money ain’t the problem.
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But I thinks its more likely you see them try their damndest to resign Jimmy at about 13MM per, for four years, and take the other 7mm (and maybe a little more) and spend it on a 1B/3B/LF type.
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I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, but we also got 7 million from the Astros in the Oswalt trade, so even if the Phillies ownership pays the same amount to the players this year as we did last year, payroll will go down.
by philiafan14364 on Oct 23, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know that Jroll will get 5/75, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if someone like the Giants offers at least a 4 year deal that Jimmy will likely take.
by philiafan14364 on Oct 22, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see it now. Jimmy signs with, say, the Giants, says “Yeah, I think we’re the team to beat,” and then has an MVP year.
Sounds like a fricken nightmare.
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by doubleh on Oct 22, 2011 2:15 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
At that cost would you like to see them go after Reyes?
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by h2o_34_35_44 on Oct 23, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we take Stanton over Morrison? Not because I necessarily think he’s better (which he probably is), I would just prefer to not have Morrison and Ramirez in the same clubhouse. Also, I’d rather keep Jesse Biddle.
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by TheOrangeCone on Oct 23, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, this is embarassing.
Double oops – wrong thread. Meant to post it in the Lidge thread. I fail. I think I’ll quit posting for a bit.
I could live with a 4-5 year contract for Jimmy as long as the Phillies get younger everywhere else. Can Galvis play 2B?
I don’t think he’s ready, but you may as well shift Galvis to third if you want him on the field. Even with the knee concerns, there is no reason to try and replace Utley.
With Polanco in the final year of his contract, should the Phillies consider giving Galvis reps at third base to see whether he could play there in ’13, or is his bat insufficient for the position?
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Why wouldn’t you do it next year? Polanco would be in the last year of his contract, and of Rollins is signed to a relatively long term contract (3-4 years), wouldn’t it make sense to find out over the course of next season whether Galvis can play there so that they know whether they have an in house replacement for Polanco when his contract is up? Or is your contention that Galvis is going to need more than one more year in the minors?
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by dannijd on Oct 24, 2011 12:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Galvis is more valuable a SS prospect than he is at 3rd. The offensive bar is higher at 3rd, and I doubt he can clear it. You’d be better off signing Rollins for 3 plus an option and moving him to 3rd, if Galvis turns out to be good enough to play every day.
Besides in ‘13 they may be able to sign someone like Brandon Inge to a one year deal. Like Polanco, he’s old, glove first and has positional flexibility. Unlike Polly, he’s borderline incompetent with the bat, but at that point in his career, he may be willing to sign for 1 or 2 years for a few million, if he gets a chance at a ring. He was exceptionally awful this year, but I’m only using him as an example of someone who could fill the gap for a year or two until Martinez, Franco, Greene, or whomever is ready to play.
Or two years from now Amaro trades Worley, Garner, Martinez and Claypool for Elvis Andrus and screw it, I don’t care who plays third then.
IMO
They’d be better off trying Rollins at 3rd.
How does Galvis compare defensively with Rollins?
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by dannijd on Oct 24, 2011 4:04 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Game Three Thread
http://www.thegoodphight.com/2011/10/22/2507538/world-series-game-three-thread#comments
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If Ryan Howard hadn’t gone down the way he did, I would say it’s not too dangerous to the make-up of this team to let Rollins go (though I want him to stay). But like it or not, Rollins’ value can’t be tallied up only by his play on the field. He and Utley and Howard are the leaders of this team and have been for quite a while. There’s more than just the years and dollars to consider here. No matter who replaces Howard at 1B (and I still prefer Mayberry over going outside the organization), it’s still going to be a shake-up to not have the Big Piece there on Opening Day.
We’re already talking replacing Madson, Lidge, possibly/probably Oswalt, Ibanez, and probably another guy or two I’m blanking on. There will most likely be a short-term replacement for Ryan Howard.
The clubhouse doesn’t need any more shake-ups. Ruben needs to do everything he possibly can to get Jimmy Rollins back and get his successor primed and ready in Double and Triple-A over the next couple of years.
I felt this way even with a healthy Ryan Howard (and I really do not think the organization should decision make for four years based on two months)- Rollins is a cornerstone of this team, and his value is much more than just what he is on the field.
As for the Mayberry versus bringing somebody in to play first, I think the problem here is that Mayberry can not play two places at once. If you have him at first base to start the season (and assuming that Amaro is serious about leaving Brown in AAA next year), you would have the options of a) Mayberry at first, Francisco in left; b) Mayberry in left, find a first baseman; c) Mayberry at first, re-sign Ibanez to platoon with Francisco/ find a left fielder. Ideally Howard makes a miracle recovery, but assuming that the medical miracle department is spent, what do you want to do?
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Good players seem to come a dime a dozen nowadays, however, an excellent player like Jimmy Rollins are always going to be a hot commodity; he is very young, perhaps he can play more and not be done so early.
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He’s certainly not young, but he is certainly the Phillies best option for the next 3 years, especially when you consider the market this off-season.
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by VanceinmyPants on Oct 23, 2011 12:50 AM EDT reply actions
I hope so. Give me all the reason I need to rag on them.
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by TheOrangeCone on Oct 23, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
They get it from their manager. They’re worse than the Braves.
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by doubleh on Oct 23, 2011 9:42 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Following the leader the leader the leader, they’re following the leader where ever he may go.
This is my wife’s ringback tone…and it drives me up a fucking wall.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
An now it is going through my head!!! Thank-you so much!
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by dannijd on Oct 24, 2011 12:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
please send Rollins packing...
He’s overrated. Offensively he is on a continuous slide. He refuses to play the role of a lead off hitter, yet he won’t allow the phillies to fill that spot in the lineup or he’ll start crying. His attitude and approach at the plate has trickled down to the rest of the team. He is very undisciplined. It’s time to change the hitting culture of this team, and it starts with Rollins.
by rolo 9 on Oct 23, 2011 9:52 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
Alternatively, you have no idea what the hell you’re talking about, and you form all of your opinions by having WIP beam them directly into your brain.
by taco pal on Oct 23, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i do not know why i am going to bother with this heap of idiocy
He’s overrated
No he is not.
Offensively he is on a continuous slide2010 triple slash: .243/.320/.374 with a .317 wOBA and a 93 wRC+. In 2011, Rollins was .268/.338/.399 with a .329 wOBA and a 106 wRC+. That’s some continuous slide he is on. But Rollins is an aging player, if you are expecting 2007 from him again, you are never going to get it. But he is still producing and he is not on a “continuous slide” as you falsely believe. For in order to be a continuous slide, the slide, must, you know, be continuous. A continuous slide would not see Rollins improve in every offensive category from 2010 to 2011.
He refuses to play the role of a lead off hitter, yet he won’t allow the phillies to fill that spot in the lineup or he’ll start cryingEvidence? Proof? Any hit of some evidence containing some proof? No? This is just a warped belief in your mind to fit a narrative so you can loudly espouse an idiotic opinion all the while acting all mighty acting like you know everything when you really know next to jack shit? It’s the latter? That’s what I thought.
His attitude and approach at the plate has trickled down to the rest of the teamYou’re going full moron on us here. Again, I will ask? Evidence? Proof? Any hint of evidence of proof? You are stating an opinion but treating it like a fact. That’s not gonna get it done here.
He is very undisciplinedIf you want an undisciplined player, look up Jeff Francoeur. Over the course of his career, his walks have increased while his strikeouts have decreased. In 2011, he walked 9.2% of the time. If you want a comparison, Albert Pujols walked 9.4% of the time this season. Granted, that is by far a career low for Pujols, but the point is there. Anyway, Rollins’ career walk rate is 7.5%. In 2010, he walked 10.2% of the time and as mentioned above, he walked 9.2% of the time in 2011. Strikeouts, his career K rate is 11.4%, but in 2010 he K’d 8.1% of the time and in 2011 he K’d 9.4% of the time. What does that say?
It’s time to change the hitting culture of this team, and it starts with RollinsA 102-win needs an entire change of culture? To say you are absolutely delusional would be an understatement.
And just so you don’t think I am pulling shit out of mid-air, here is Jimmy Rollins’s FanGraphs page. Learn a thing or two about what you are talking about before you spray your verbal diarrhea all over The Good Phight.. Trust me. It will do you good.
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aw fuck reply fail
Oh well. He’ll get the message anyway.
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How much do you want to bet he is going to discount everything I wrote my reply in the wrong box?
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I’m pretty sure you weren’t changing his mind. He made an emotional argument, so I doubt facts would do much.
Yes but half of my post was calling his post idiotic, and then I make a mistake. In the mind of a troll, that means all of my content is thereby not of quality because I made a posting mistake.
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Confuzzled. How does Francoeur’s walk rate increasing and strikeouts decreasing make him undisciplined?
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by TheOrangeCone on Oct 24, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah…it all makes sense now.
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by TheOrangeCone on Oct 24, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Wrong antecedent
for the pronoun “his.” His refers to Jimmy, not to Frenchie.
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by layout ultimate on Oct 24, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s one of the least disciplined hitters in baseball. His career high for walks is 42 in a season where he played every game. That’s terrible. He’s not Yuniesky Betancourt, but he is close.
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by Ed Van Chimp on Oct 24, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Good catch. Yeah, that could certainly be clearer.
It should read, “If you want an undisciplined player, look up Jeff Francoeur. Over the course of Rollins’s career, his walks have increased while his strikeouts have decreased”
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No problem buddy!
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