2011 National League Division Series Game Four Thread: Phillies at Cardinals
by WholeCamels on Oct 5, 2011 6:07 PM EDT
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The Phillies look to Ace No. 4, Roy Oswalt, to lock down their fourth straight trip to the National League Championship Series, where they will take on the Brewmondbackers.
Edwin Jackson gets the ball for the Cardinals in a must-win game for St. Louis.
Discuss the game below.
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I guess this should’ve been 6.5 runs.
by philsandthrills on Oct 5, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re cool with angel hernandez right?
by FanSince1993 on Oct 5, 2011 6:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i aint cool with any ump
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by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
good start!!
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by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:09 PM EDT reply actions
Pressure’s on Pence for a homer – or at least a single.
by phillyinportland on Oct 5, 2011 6:10 PM EDT reply actions
Royals fan here...please win
HS Freshman sports enthusiast
Love everything Jaguars and Royals
I wear number 13 in both Football and Baseball
we will take that into consideration
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by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you
I hate the Cardinals SO much
HS Freshman sports enthusiast
Love everything Jaguars and Royals
I wear number 13 in both Football and Baseball
by tiquanunderwear on Oct 5, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
you are welcome
i dont blame you it must suck being so close to them
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by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Were on the rise
I think
HS Freshman sports enthusiast
Love everything Jaguars and Royals
I wear number 13 in both Football and Baseball
by tiquanunderwear on Oct 5, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahahahahah scouting reportzzz
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Oct 5, 2011 6:11 PM EDT reply actions
I haven’t even gotten my popcorn out of the pantry yet and we’re already up 2!
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 6:11 PM EDT reply actions
Phew, gotta thank the umpires there. That double miscall saved them from a sure defeat.
by philsandthrills on Oct 5, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on Piece, put this shit away
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 6:13 PM EDT reply actions
True test of superstition – would you rather be ahead at the end of this half inning by 2-0 or 3-0?
by phillyinportland on Oct 5, 2011 6:13 PM EDT reply actions
both. make it 5-0
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Staying at 2-0. Baseball gods approve.
by phillyinportland on Oct 5, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
both of those where not outs
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by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:15 PM EDT reply actions
2 runs are better than 3
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by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m feeling that way, too. No talk for the next few innings about having another 3-0 lead in the first inning.but how they didn’t work out last time.
by phillyinportland on Oct 5, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Sciencedammit boys
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 6:16 PM EDT reply actions
haha i see what you did there
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by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
He was safe, and I am not sure that Howard actually K’d there.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
you’re probably right, but I don’t get why you would even attempt to steal a base in that situation. Too risky for too little reward.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
With no outs, I agree. With one out, maybe to avoid the GIDP, but in that situation? I don’t get it.
Bob.
With two runs already and no outs, I don’t hate it. In Charlie’s defense, it did work…
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Question
I know players have voted on and ranked umpires. Does that play no role in who gets postseason games? You’d think it should…
looks like they just pick the most inadequate umps possible
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by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i wonder how the umping has been in the other series
i havent noticed too many mess ups from what i have seen in them
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by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, I actually never see it called, no matter who’s playing. If it’s a close play (especially if it’s an impressive one by the fielder) the runner seems to be called out every time
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
missed a good part of the season, or simply is well rested
i choose well rested
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 6:19 PM EDT reply actions
Nice breaking ball Lil Roy
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 6:19 PM EDT reply actions
More bad news: Sarah Palin isn’t running for president.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh Noooooo!
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 5, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Careful, certain people in these parts resemble that remark. And by “Certain People” I mean “BenKenobi”.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 5, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
well shit and here I was planning to go door to door for the Dxero ’12 campaign
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
She’s just what every jock wants – moderately attractive and one brain cell that’s half-dead from loneliness.
Bob.
oh no
now who’s gonna save us
/s
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Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
hate to do it here, but
Ron Paul 2012 baby
Does anyone know what kind of damage Howard does being up in the count as opposed to being down (statistically)?
well, the speed is crisp
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 6:23 PM EDT reply actions
Good plan, get those two outs at the Howard AB
You never want to go up 3-0.
Over/under on number of mentions tonight that this could be Pujols’ last game in a Cardinal uniform?
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
500. over/under on number I care about? 0
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
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by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:25 PM EDT reply actions
lol
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by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
How does Lil Roy’s velocity look?
"Descartes commanded the future from his study more than Napoleon did from his throne."
low to mid 90's
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by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Shane WTF was that
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 6:25 PM EDT reply actions
Between that and the Toronto faceplant, he’s gonna have his own blooper reel
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
well Vic, uhm, that’s an interesting take on fielding
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 6:25 PM EDT reply actions
Vic
what the hell was that??
"This team (Philadelphia Eagles) gives me the best chance of winning a Super Bowl."
-Michael Vick #7
Explanation for those of us at work dealing with Gameday?
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
so, each center fielder has been charged with shenanigans
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 6:26 PM EDT reply actions
well shane slipped
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by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
well, Vic’s wasn’t really shadow related, unless the sunny areas of the field are slipperier.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
lead preserved. 2-1
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 6:27 PM EDT reply actions
I still wish Ryho swung first pitch….
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Oct 5, 2011 6:27 PM EDT reply actions
well, i think if he doesn’t fall it’s 2nd and 3rd, 2 out
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
eh. The bounce Vic got off of the wall limits that to barely a double
then again, i might be over-exaggerating the bounce off the wall
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s what I’m not sure about. I feel like there would have been a play at least.
We've come to bury Caesar, not praise him.
by VanceinmyPants on Oct 5, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Radio said no. Official scorer says yes.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 6:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In slow motion, that Victorino play is kind of epic. I mean, with the hat falling off, the ball going backwards. A lot going on there.
So like Willie Mays, and yet so not.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Aside from the error of the year...
Oswalt looks good. Velocity’s up, getting ahead in counts, making em swing at junk. Do your stuff Lil Roy
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 6:29 PM EDT reply actions
I’d be very happy with 7 IP and 3 runs, that is probably all we can reasonably expect.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
Pujols kills him, their lineup is excellent and I just don’t think he’s the same level pitcher he was last year and earlier this year.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
7 IP, 0ER just last month.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 6:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The fact that Angel Hernandez and Jerry Meals are still allowed to stand behind home plate in an umpire’s uniform is a total joke. Is there any oversight for umps?
Is this the worse umpiring crew in the LDS?
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The one with Joe West on it?
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 7:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You have to ask?
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 6:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Umps/refs in pretty much all sports have so much discretion they aren’t really accountable to anyone except in the most extreme cases.
NFL refs are pretty damn accountable, or so it seems. The NBA and the NHL aren’t nearly as reliant on “judgment” calls. It makes sense MLB umps are the most criticized – although, admittedly, they might also suck the most
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
So this guy is all first pitch fastballs huh?
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Oct 5, 2011 6:30 PM EDT reply actions
Sunday night messed with me
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Oct 5, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah Craig knows about whats "hip"
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Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:31 PM EDT reply actions
Well ever first pitch so far has been a fastball in the middle of the strike zone. can’t really fault him.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently he also did really badly in the 2006 World Series against the Cardinals.
by phillyinportland on Oct 5, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
“I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.”
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 5, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
are those cutoffs?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
So….when is it going to be our turn to get a 1 2 3 inning against the Cards? Haven’t had one of those in awhile.
by Legion of Bullies on Oct 5, 2011 6:33 PM EDT reply actions
Damn. 3 Phillies hitters. 3 ugly at bats.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 6:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I am not going to be comfortable until we are up 8 runs. We are not up 8 runs. I am uncomfortable.
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 6:33 PM EDT reply actions
Looking like yesterday's phillies
which is startling. They need to settle down and take some balls.
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
there were about 8 balls thrown (and not swung at) through 5 innings yesterday. our hitters are getting worked.
yea that's absurd
They need to slow down, take some breathes. they should do yoga before each game.
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
ask and you shall receive
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by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You rang?
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by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 5, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
your prayers were answered
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
Just curious
Raul, Polly and Ruiz
what did you expect? I wasn’t expecting magic
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
patience is what I hope for from them.
We've come to bury Caesar, not praise him.
by VanceinmyPants on Oct 5, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Jackson is throwing fastballs for strikes. The first inning showed us that you can hit Jackson. I have no problem with them trying to bury Jackson
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Learn from Cliff's mistake, Li'l Roy.
DO NOT LET YOUR GUARD DOWN.
yeah, wonder how flat those fastballs are.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 5, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
A better time than this?
"Descartes commanded the future from his study more than Napoleon did from his throne."
by Euler.is.a.Pimp on Oct 5, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Poundin the ZONE
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 6:37 PM EDT reply actions
that’s what…..oh nevermind
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Oswalt’s doing his best Jaime Garcia impression
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s hitting that middle middle FB with the first pitch of more ABs than I care to remember. Is it just me or dose Oswalt look very hittable?
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
His stuff is moving. Check all the swings and misses. This is Oswalt pitching like Oswalt
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
are his FB’s moving? can’t really tell
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 5, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
thought he mixed it up a little more this inning. good thing or you worry about them getting the measure of his FB’s second time around.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 5, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
alright!
That looked like a phillies at bat
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
that made me chuckle
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Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
ha I think so
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
A WILD ONE-TWO-THREE INNING APPEARS!
WHAT DO YOU CHOOSE TO DO??
by Legion of Bullies on Oct 5, 2011 6:38 PM EDT reply actions
Yay! 1-2-3 inning! Now, would it be too much to ask for some sort of offensive consistency? Perhaps maybe see six different batters go 1 or 2 for 4?
Fill in the blank
Albert Pujols will be a ______________ in 2012.
A. Cardinal
B. Yankee
C. Phillie
D. Another team
Cardinal
"Descartes commanded the future from his study more than Napoleon did from his throne."
by Euler.is.a.Pimp on Oct 5, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
douchebag
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
ha I don't know who was first
but great minds think alike
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
cub
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by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Cardinal
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 10:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
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by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
well when every single first pitch has been a fastball down the middle….
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
1979 (?) AL East playoff. Bucky Dent homered in the winning runs for the Yankees against the Red Sox
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
BABIP owes a tremendous debt to the Phillies for what it has done to the Phillies this series.
We've come to bury Caesar, not praise him.
by VanceinmyPants on Oct 5, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
So nobody is going to make a joke about how Stockton is so old all his TV friends are dying
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 5, 2011 6:43 PM EDT reply actions
good job Jimmy.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 6:43 PM EDT reply actions
Posted on BSH...
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
by EREX21 on Oct 5, 2011 6:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
haha so funny
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
He's heating up
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 6:43 PM EDT reply actions
Well done. Although technically he’s on fire in that photo
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by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 5, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
worst ump ever?
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
yeah for sure
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
My command may kill me before the Afghans. See I’m a combat adviser out here. I took my S-4 (logistics) counterpart to Brigade. to go get fuel. They didn’t have any so he and I went up to division 2 FOBs over. I didn’t tell anyone I was going and going without 2 U.S. vehicles is a no no. So I got a stern talking to but, I did get the fuel.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
if a 50 day suspension is your definition of frowned upon, then yes.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah i hear the something
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Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s like Pete Rose’s old stance, only Pence is like a foot taller so it just looks goofy.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
everything he does is weird
but it works for him i guess
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
BAIBP
He hit that thing a ton.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
What have we done to anger the BABIP Fairy, and how can we appease it?
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
That bad call on the Pence steal seems to have taken a little of the phillies hitters mojo.
"Good game. Let's go eat."
Meals has that effect. He did ruin the Pirates season with a bad call.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Is Meals the umpire at 2B tonight? I heard he was in Left Field
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
but this is his hot month
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Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets hope the Braves sign him to a big long term deal after the season’s over with.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
Nah, Nats need winners. Reunite our former corner OF duo with a matching contract to Werth’s
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
now that i wouldn't mind as much
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Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
no i like him to much for him to go over to the dark side
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Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate when you have two outs and you don’t get the person before Pujols out.
"Descartes commanded the future from his study more than Napoleon did from his throne."
But I do like getting Pujols out to end an inning, especially with runners on base.
by phillyinportland on Oct 5, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
TBS announcers just shafted J-Roll
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 6:54 PM EDT reply actions
That made it better. You could clearly see “Jimmy Rollins” right smack in the middle there and Stockton still forgot to mention him.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Christ Oswalt
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions
Sit down, Poo Hole
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions
scary ass picture
I come in peace. Neutrality is my thing.
Barry Sanders is better than Deion Sanders.
Stockton is pretty bad.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 6:58 PM EDT reply actions
it’s part of LaRussa’s genius. Why would he do what everybody else does?
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh Crackers it’s gonna be one of those games
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 6:58 PM EDT reply actions
Do you really want Jamie Moyer to come back?
I come in peace. Neutrality is my thing.
Barry Sanders is better than Deion Sanders.
well i wouldn't mind
he is by far my favorite baseball player ever. he’s the man
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
just not for 10 million a year
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Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he is coming back. He’s an analyst now. What? Isn’t he like 50 years old?
I come in peace. Neutrality is my thing.
Barry Sanders is better than Deion Sanders.
nope he said he's gonna comeback next year.
he’s been working out at bright house fields and i haven’t seen him on baseball tonight for awhile
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Italy didn't like the first line of Ford-made products sent to them
Giving St. Louis the bird since 1982
by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Well played
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
oops. oh well
Giving St. Louis the bird since 1982
by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Chrysler got a BAILOUT in the ’70s and therefore are SOCIALISTS and therefore COMMIES and therefore RUSSIAN
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 5, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Good enough for me.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
they fooled us with that hot start
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 6:59 PM EDT reply actions
These are just the worst at bats to watch. But I guess that’s what you get with FEARED PITCHER Edwin Jackson.
what is the score?
I come in peace. Neutrality is my thing.
Barry Sanders is better than Deion Sanders.
why must they alternate
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Oswalt looks to be in dominating form hopefully he can keep this up
by aPHILLYated on Oct 5, 2011 7:01 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
I’m pretty sure they just don’t care.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Um….well…no?
Luxury rap, the Hermes of verses. Sophisticated ignorance, write my curses in cursive
by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 5, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
This bear does...
I come in peace. Neutrality is my thing.
Barry Sanders is better than Deion Sanders.
Haha I definitely didn’t.
Luxury rap, the Hermes of verses. Sophisticated ignorance, write my curses in cursive
by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 5, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
This guy’s got a worse haircut than Bud Selig
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 7:05 PM EDT reply actions
Oh, ok, Oswalt.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 7:06 PM EDT reply actions
well this isn’t good.
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:06 PM EDT reply actions
oh great
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:06 PM EDT reply actions
Oswalt is getting squeeezzeeeddd
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:07 PM EDT reply actions
Angel Hernandez has no business umpiring postseason baseball. pediod.
We've come to bury Caesar, not praise him.
The fact that he’s even in consideration is incredible
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
these umps suck so hard
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:07 PM EDT reply actions
He did, and Oswalt was. :(
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 7:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He did, and Oswalt was. :(
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 7:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
oh man that stopped my heart
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:08 PM EDT reply actions
Crazy route, Pence. Glad you got to it.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 7:08 PM EDT reply actions
ok Pence, that was a life saver
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:08 PM EDT reply actions
Thank Buddha for Hunter Pence
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 7:08 PM EDT reply actions
FUCK
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 7:08 PM EDT reply actions
Nope.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 7:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
FUCK!
"This team (Philadelphia Eagles) gives me the best chance of winning a Super Bowl."
-Michael Vick #7
well, go back to the drawing board
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:09 PM EDT reply actions
well he had no choice but to throw the ball down the middle of the plate with This strike zone
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:09 PM EDT reply actions
How the hell did Holliday score there?
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 7:10 PM EDT reply actions
so is the umpiring.
We've come to bury Caesar, not praise him.
by VanceinmyPants on Oct 5, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
every damn game has had a total clown at home for an ump
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:11 PM EDT reply actions
Game 1 and 3 weren’t bad.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 7:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
uh yesterday was horrendous too
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Ibanez chose to read a novel in the outfield before retrieving the ball.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the bottom of the 4th and the Phils are currently down a run
Not too worried about it
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:11 PM EDT reply actions
if it was bottom of the 7th, I’d be a bit worried. but it was bottom of the 4th, and they need to scrounge a run out of it
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Tonight's jinx is brought to you by
CoburnsCuddleBuddy
I come in peace. Neutrality is my thing.
Barry Sanders is better than Deion Sanders.
I don’t believe in jinxes
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Given that we’ve only scored two runs in 4 IP on Edwin Jackson, I’d worry.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 5, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
they’ll get one back in this half inning
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
7-8-9
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
did 7 literally eat 9?
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
probably
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Do the umps get paid more if the series goes 5 games?
It seems like they are insistant on stretching this out.
WTF
I go to eat a quick dinner and i come back to this crap.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
BURN UP DA COUCH
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
For what it’s worth, I tuned in, in the bottom of the 2nd. So I don’t know if there is any correlation or circumstance
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
turn off your tv and walk away
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m so confused.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
things haven't bee too good since the 2nd
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Everybody has to return to exactly what they were doing when the first three batters of the game were up. Otherwise, we are doomed.
by phillyinportland on Oct 5, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I was in the same place the whole time. Movibg now.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 7:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I mean why don’t we get hits all the time too
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Oct 5, 2011 7:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
exactly.
We've come to bury Caesar, not praise him.
by VanceinmyPants on Oct 5, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently the MLB rotates umps where the top tier umps work the World Series, the second tier work the LCS, the next tier work the LDS but there’s some kind of rotation so the same umpires can’t work so many games. It’s asinine and this is what results.
Giving St. Louis the bird since 1982
by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
any other umpiring crew apart from this one is better.
We've come to bury Caesar, not praise him.
by VanceinmyPants on Oct 5, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
and by better I don’t mean that they’re good, they just can’t be worse.
We've come to bury Caesar, not praise him.
by VanceinmyPants on Oct 5, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It boggles my mind that someone approved Meals and Hernandez on the same staff
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
it boggles my mind that they aren’t AA umpires.
We've come to bury Caesar, not praise him.
by VanceinmyPants on Oct 5, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If anyone else is the professional world made an error as egregious as Meals’, they’d be fired. It’s ridiculous that the man still has a job, let alone is managing an important game.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at the bright side…We still get to hear from LaRussa today
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 5, 2011 7:14 PM EDT reply actions
I can’t wait to hear what he has to whine about today.
Giving St. Louis the bird since 1982
by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
There we gooooo
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
What the hell did Polanco just do with that baseball?
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
he put it in play, and it landed for a hit. It was quite incredible.
We've come to bury Caesar, not praise him.
by VanceinmyPants on Oct 5, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Look harder, it’s gotta be in there.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
expect Polanco to get fined pretty heavily for that rule violation.
We've come to bury Caesar, not praise him.
by VanceinmyPants on Oct 5, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ruiz got ahold of it. Just didn’t seem to put any power behind it
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:18 PM EDT reply actions
Anybody want to get drunk? Do a shot every time the camera pans to LaRussa.
by Boundforbeach on Oct 5, 2011 7:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Come on Jimmy!
Raise my taxes! Raise my taxes! Raise my taxes!
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 5, 2011 7:19 PM EDT reply actions
That sounds vaguely voyueristic
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 5, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Damnit.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
it sucks being down a run
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:21 PM EDT reply actions
but, can’t be winning all of the time
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
well this commercial is well placed
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:21 PM EDT reply actions
I love how Brenley is talking up the catchers for making pitches look better than they actually are, instead of calling out the umps for falling for that crap.
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 7:22 PM EDT reply actions
How ironic that the commercial is about poor officiating
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 7:22 PM EDT reply actions
Well now i’m getting worried/nervous.
I wouldn’t mind the Cardinals if it wasn’t for La Russa. Granted, I think that this is probably true for most of you as well.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Not much to like over there.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re down a run. Even if we lose, we start Roy Halladay. At home. Why worry?
by philsandthrills on Oct 5, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
their bullpen won’t make the same run that they did in game 2. they’re gonna break
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
This would seem to imply Carpenter will make a similarly bad run.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 5, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
how so?
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Their bullpen looks stellar because Carpenter was not good in game 2 in the least. Odds are he won’t repeat the mistake.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 5, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Their bullpen was stellar in game 2 though…
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah maybe I’m missing something, but if Carpenter can pitch well, it’d also mean that the bullpen can falter
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
awesome
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:23 PM EDT reply actions
RALLY SQUIRREL!!!!!!!!
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:25 PM EDT reply actions
It’s a SIGN
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 7:25 PM EDT reply actions
BRING ON THE SQUIRRELS
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 7:25 PM EDT reply actions
HAHAHAHAHA
Squirrel!!
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 7:25 PM EDT reply actions
Holy shit a squirrel! I missed it the first one.
Eagles: 1-3, but things WILL turn around.
Flyers: Soon
Phillies: 5 Time NL East Division Champions!
so is that the same squirrel?
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:26 PM EDT reply actions
The squirrel is back bring in Benny Fresh
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 7:26 PM EDT reply actions
Squirrel was low and outside.
Yesterday Francisco homer was 20 minutes after the squirrel appearance.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 5, 2011 7:27 PM EDT reply actions
Hah, I was just about to post this.
Instead I will post an awesome, albeit, unrelated Up video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVxe5NIABsI
Luxury rap, the Hermes of verses. Sophisticated ignorance, write my curses in cursive
by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 5, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Shut up, Stockton. Shut up, Brenly.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 7:27 PM EDT reply actions
what did they say now?
Giving St. Louis the bird since 1982
by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Wondering aloud why Oswalt was talking to the ump.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:27 PM EDT reply actions
I love the multiple angle replay of the squirrel running by.
Eagles: 1-3, but things WILL turn around.
Flyers: Soon
Phillies: 5 Time NL East Division Champions!
i thoroughly enjoyed it
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok people call Philly dirty yet there are rodents running around homeplate in other MLB ballparks. Id give them a pass if this was the 1st time this happend but it isnt.
"Good game. Let's go eat."
i dont really qualify a squirrel as a rodent
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re buffalo.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but they’re not really equivalent to rats or anything. I doubt too many people equate squirrels with dirty, filthy places.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Or buffalo.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
yes they are, the Sciuridae family . Sciuridae is Italian for LaRussa.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 5, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not a squirrel.....
it’s LaRussa’s cousin. He looks like a rodent.
Sooooo wait.
Squirrel = our good luck sign.
Capture that mofo and keep it around for the rest of the year!
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Ha, no, professional umpire crews are only allowed in the regular season.
by philsandthrills on Oct 5, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
nope
do we look like the yankees?
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
wonderful
Babe Theriot is in the game
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:30 PM EDT reply actions
Just one extra pitch onto the count, yo.
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
but thats how he "tomahawks" it
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Jackson’s gonna throw a meatball
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:34 PM EDT reply actions
BABIP
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That concept is utterly and completely lost on Hunter Pence
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
goddamn that was close
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:35 PM EDT reply actions
Come on
pencey cakes
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
Kinda drives me nuts that he swings for the fences
every at bat, but he says its the only way he hits so who am I to judge
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
ill advised Utley, ill advised
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:37 PM EDT reply actions
Wow.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
might work with someone a little dumber than albert
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 5, 2011 7:38 PM EDT reply actions
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Follow @PhillyFollower
Writer at Iggles Nest
"Embrace the Jagr."
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Oct 5, 2011 7:38 PM EDT reply actions
Chase, being at 2nd with 1 out is just about as good as being at 3rd.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
actually being at 3rd with 1 out is MUCH better, but there is a reason players cant do that on a grounder to SS.
How is that better?
All it takes is a sac fly to score
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
So
is it possible to fire a 3rd base coach mid playoffs?
Damn it Chase.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 7:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
if everything goes well, runner on 3rd, 1 out
should’ve been runner on 2nd, 1 out
worst case: runner on 1st, 1 out
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:38 PM EDT reply actions
HEY CHASE
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
I have never seen that
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 7:39 PM EDT reply actions
In his defense, Utley’s probably safe is Pujols goes for the DP.
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 7:39 PM EDT reply actions
But there was no DP to be had. Utley was taking off on the pitch. He would have been safe at 2nd.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Pujols had to give up the out at 1st to get Utley. Most people aren’t going to think about that.
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
THAT FUCKING SONG
it must be generally used by assholes and the mid west
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:39 PM EDT reply actions
the written in the stars song?
Cuz mid westerners are a total void of creativity
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
Please Howard.
Please do something awesome this time?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
ok seriously I’m rather tired of losing outs due to un needed risks
(by the way Steve Jobs just passed away)
Giving St. Louis the bird since 1982
uh i just got that notification
but i only see it in one place. i really hope its not true
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
nothing on google
I come in peace. Neutrality is my thing.
Barry Sanders is better than Deion Sanders.
I'll take a walk for Howard
right now.
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
well….?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
WHY THE HELL ARE YOU SWINGING 3-0 RYAN?
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Howard is the King at turning 3-0 to a K because Charlie stupidly gives him a green light.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
in fairness, you dont pay him to get walks
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to agree with you that that inning it was obvious Jackson was tired. If Howard walks then Utley’s stupid mistake is erased
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Good job Howard. Maybe next time you could just the guy walk you. He tried really hard to.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Jackson has not thrown a single strike this inning and we are staring at NOTHING
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 7:42 PM EDT reply actions
that was the inning, I think.
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:43 PM EDT reply actions
For the love of Jesus Pantocrator
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 7:43 PM EDT reply actions
Uh……they are a good team and the MLB Playoffs are a crapshoot? Kind of common sense, really. And I just got in 5 minutes ago.
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About which part exactly?
That the Cardinals are good? Which is a fact. Or that the playoffs are a crapshoot, which, oddly enough, is also a fact.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I wouldn’t call a walk then a HBP a “crapshoot.” Seems to be the popular word going around here.
They have what, 3 hits? Phillies should not be losing this game right now.
The Jruth shall be told.
They have what, 3 hits? Phillies should not be losing this game right now.
Which is exactly what makes it a crapshoot.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Crapshoot is such a horrible word.
Oswalt had a direct impact on those runs scoring. It wasn’t luck, it wasn’t bad fielding, it wasn’t anything but a walk, a HBP, and a solid base hit.
The Jruth shall be told.
sigh
If you do not know what you are talking about please do not comment here.
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Your last question and sentence make our point better than I ever could.
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What do you disagree with? Cardinals are a good baseball team? Or the MLB Playoffs are a crapshoot?
Because both are facts that can be backed up with data.
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So the Phillies are doing a fantastic job of bailing out Jackson when he gets into any kind of trouble
Giving St. Louis the bird since 1982
that was an annoying half-inning. and we wasted the rally squirrel.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 5, 2011 7:44 PM EDT reply actions
Now the worry has set in. :(
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
It will be ok.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 7:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
One too late.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 7:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Welp
That sucked
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
Win for Steve Jobs!
I come in peace. Neutrality is my thing.
Barry Sanders is better than Deion Sanders.
by BIBTD on Oct 5, 2011 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
RIP
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
We've come to bury Caesar, not praise him.
by VanceinmyPants on Oct 5, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Berkman pisses me off.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
future inning
= wah wahhh
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
Why’s everyone so pissed? You’re all aware we’re only down by one run in game 4 of a 5 game series we lead 2-1, and game 5 is on our home turf, with Roy Halladay on the mound.
Some people don't think it be what it is, but it do.
Wait…shit.
Some people don't think it be what it is, but it do.
by TheOrangeCone on Oct 5, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
well
fuck.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
FUCK FUCK FUCK
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 7:51 PM EDT reply actions
trollololololololololol
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bring in Blanton, let him stretch out the arm
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:52 PM EDT reply actions
god
dammit
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
Howard’s first pitch actually
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Oct 5, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Fucking repeat of Sunday night wtf
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Oct 5, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn it to Hell :,(
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 7:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I hate the fucking Cardinals for stealing Scott Rolen, for having an extremely overrated manager, for being everything that’s “right” about baseball (not), and for exisiting. Wow I’m bitter.
Cards didn’t steal Rolen
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, but I was 12 and didn’t know better
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The Phillies traded Rolen because he was a miserable twat that wanted out of Philly.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I know, but I’m bitter. And I really liked Scott Rolen.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Can i have another Ben Francisco 3-Run HR?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Dick Stockton wouldn’t be happier if someone gave him a new puppy and a new bicycle at the same time.
Giving St. Louis the bird since 1982
Or Broxton
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
they have a three-run lead. they’re doomed.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 5, 2011 7:55 PM EDT reply actions
Can we bring Matt Stairs out of retirement?
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 7:56 PM EDT reply actions
please Charlie, don’t burn Madson
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:57 PM EDT reply actions
what are you questioning?
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
for shits and giggles
im salvaging this and producing good thoughts
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s been absolutely horrible tonight. Not excusing the offense, but Edwin Jackson has received calls that Oswalt didn’t get(at least according to Brooks Baseball) and MLB really needs to explain how they put two of the worst umpires in baseball on the same crew during the playoffs.
Man, don’t you know — passion is a lie that the bourgeois tell you to increase your productivity while they increase your profits.
(sortofserious)
Right. Because a lefty striking out to a lefty is no passion.
And what is taking a more passionate stroll to the dugout going to do?
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This series should’ve been over had Charlie Manuel paid attention to the game in game 2. The 4-0 lead was slowly dwindling and instead of saying “Lee doesn’t have his stuff”, Manuel takes the ball out of Lee’s hands AFTER he gave up the lead.
WARNING, LeQuan comment, no need to read this
by philsandthrills on Oct 5, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
So, you wouldn’t have taken out Lee earlier?
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 5, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Do yourself a favor and read this. And actually, like learn something so you can actually comment with actual intelligence.
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That’s because it is the postseason and every bandwagon idiot who has not followed the team and/all baseball is suddenly a diehard fan and wants to comment on here like they know everything when they really know next to nothing.
It’s infuriating really, the level of idiocy certain people have displayed on here.
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Okay, so suppose Lee was a bit unlucky, that justifies it even more: Bring in a guy from my bullpen that might not be suspectible to said luck.
Don’t just sit there and blow a lead because he’s “Cliff Lee”
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 5, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Bring in a guy from my bullpen that might not be suspectible to said luck.
I guess you don’t understand the concept at all. Oh wait, you definitely don’t/
by philsandthrills on Oct 5, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Bring in a guy from my bullpen that might not be suspectible to said luck.
you’re hopeless
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You mention BABIP in relation to luck, do you not? Balls batted into play that might otherwise have been caught?
Perhaps a change does nothing at all, but a change is better then doing nothing.
Doing nothing lost you game 2. Doing nothing in most sports end up losing you games.
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 5, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
STOP WRITING THINGS THAT MEAN NOTHING
by philsandthrills on Oct 5, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It means something. Luck is a 5-10% factor. There are things within one’s control. Luck is Ben Fransico’s HR, Luck is not slowly and gradually giving up the lead.
If Lee imploded in one inning, that’s one thing. But gradually losing the lead means something is wrong.
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 5, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually thought this in the moment, while it was happening. Because unlike most, I don’t ascribe to the retarded idea that sports(or baseball) has somehow become a 95% luckfest where we might as well just give up.
JustinF: We were just DESTINED to lose game 2, weren’t we?
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 5, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
it was written in the stars
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I’ll bump the percentage up to 45%, how’s that? But 50%(IE: A higher percentage) still has to do with skill and I hate giving you the 45% number, because I disregard luck heavily.
The Phillies didn’t win 102 games because they’re the luckiest bastards in baseball.
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 5, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You are just making up numbers. Do you not see how wrong that is?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I’m putting a number(a non qualified number at that) on luck. Based on what I believe to be the theory of most here, compared to my ideal on life and sports in general.
Reading the posts below me “OMFG, Cardinals are super freaking lucky” sickens me. Is there ANYTHING you guys attribute to skill?
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 5, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s actually quite arrogant of oneself then to think of itself as a “newsgroup”.
This is a forum, of entirely different opinions.
I happen to be of the opinion that this game, for whatever luck may or may not be in it, skill is still superior.
Infact, skill by it’s nature has to be superior. For without superior skill, there’s no meaning to competition. And so it is, why every loser doesn’t want to compete “He’s LUCKY”(emphasis mine).
If baseball was such a lucky game, we wouldn’t have an MLB. Because people wouldn’t be interested in playing let alone watching.
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 5, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
As is his misunderstanding of baseball.
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The thing is, you can’t ascribe a percentage to luck-based results in pitching, unless you were speaking holistically, but even then it’s dicey. But even if you could, it’d be more than a 5-10% factor. Was Lee tiring? Maybe. Was every ball that was hit off of him tattooed? No. Might some of those have fallen in for hits? Yes. Is that an instance of luck? Yes.
Each ball in play is an independent event. Pitchers have little to no control which balls are in play and which balls are out. Making a pitching change does nothing to change this. This is not a difficult concept to grasp.
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This is a dumb comment.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, did TLR just bring on a LOOGY to pitch to Raul Ibanez with a 3-run lead in the top of the 7th?
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 7:59 PM EDT reply actions
5-2 is a 2-run lead?
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, there’s a “2” in there.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s 5 to 2? damn I thought Freeze’s was a solo shot… I was away for a second then haven’t looked at the scoreboard..
The Jruth shall be told.
It was 20 minutes ago…
Doc, Lee, Hamels, Vance...Moyer. 2012's winning combination.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Oct 5, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if advertisers have to pay a surcharge in LaRussa games for all the extra spots they get.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 5, 2011 7:59 PM EDT reply actions
Oh, joy, the bullpen procession begins. Eight more outs, how many more pitchers? Six?
by phillyinportland on Oct 5, 2011 8:00 PM EDT reply actions
I keep telling myself
“Small series, lots of variance, anything can happen, accept that a 102-win team can lose in 5 games, etc.” but it doesn’t make me feel any better.
Except a pretty shitty Cardinals team already one a World Series, so they don’t deserve another. Right?
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
This. And even then the Phillies still have 8 outs left, and Halladay ready for game 5
Giving St. Louis the bird since 1982
by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Losing is always going to hurt. I am not ready for this season to be over, but apparently the offense is. This is just awful.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 8:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I haven’t seen much of the game but it sure seems like the home plate umps want the Phillies to lose.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
They don’t want the Phillies to lose, that’s ridiculous. They just suck.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Ryan Howard is what, 2-15? And he has some 100+ million dollar paycheck no?
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 5, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
This. If the Phillies wind up not advancing, there are a lot of people to blame. Polanco gets some of it, but Howard, Ruiz, Lee, and Oswalt, among others have to shoulder the blame. This is not a Brooks Conrad situation. You can not look at aby one player and say they cost us this game or the Series.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 8:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You do realize that you just agreed with LeQuan on something, right?
by philsandthrills on Oct 5, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Russ Gload on deck
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 8:03 PM EDT reply actions
Russ Gload?
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 8:03 PM EDT reply actions
Dear Lord,
Please help me to be thankful for being blessed with this team. And please help their bats to come alive so that i can have a little more time to be thankful for them.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 8:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
frankly, the shittiness of the bullpen has been overstated…. most of the guys who sucked are gone, like Ryan Franklin
Truth be told, I’ve actually no idea how shitty their bullpen is beyond what broadcast TV tells me. Which is probably why I’m so uninformed.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Are these guys that dense? All those AL bullpen innings for NY and Detroit include 7 innings or so from the continuation of game one. Idiots.
by phillyinportland on Oct 5, 2011 8:03 PM EDT reply actions
I have to say, Chooch has been very non-Choochy so far this series.
Giving St. Louis the bird since 1982
Vaguely… I think it was yesterday.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 8:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well I know this is blasphemous to say, but I’m going to stop watching. I need to hit the gym!
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
lol.
And with an uneccessary TMI….
I’ve been recently going through a rough time with a lot of my personal life. Unfortunately, the Eagles and the Phillies aren’t making it any better. I’m not saying I need something positive going in my life, but I’d really appreciate if the Phillies would make me a little happy!
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Unfortunately I’m not a Flyers fan. And the NBA decided that they didn’t feel like being around to take my mind off of things!
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Yea so we scored all of our runs when I was stuck at work, so I’m just going to stop watching. It’s all my fault.
I haven't died. Right now I'm drinking a beer and eating fried chicken. What were you expecting, a funeral?- Yao Ming
Work night shifts!
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
or, one could just say you can’t throw up 0’s for 8 out of 9 innings and expect to win
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
wow that song made my ears bleed
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 8:06 PM EDT reply actions
So dig this: a runner on second with one out has roughly 0.5 run probability over a runner on first with one out. A runner on third with one out has 0.25 run probability over a runner on second with one out. So the Pence and Utley have killed both of the Phillies rallies (or almost rally) this game to risk gaining a combined 0.75 run probability. Play the right way my ass.
Giving St. Louis the bird since 1982
the point I’m making is why even attempt to steal there.
Giving St. Louis the bird since 1982
by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear TBS:
I am so fucking tired of looking at Tony LaRussa. Please…have fucking mercy and STOP.
by Boundforbeach on Oct 5, 2011 8:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
They sure seem to foul off a lot of pitches
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 5, 2011 8:09 PM EDT reply actions
it’s amazing how easy these innings go when your team is behind
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:09 PM EDT reply actions
Now we know who to blame if the rally fails!
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec for 3 runs in the top of the eighth
The Jruth shall be told.
by packimop on Oct 5, 2011 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Come on phillies!
It’s my mom’s 81st Birthday. Win it for her!
Well, just because it’s the same score – 1980 LCS against the Astros, game 5, top of the 8th inning, Nolan Ryan on the mound for the Astros, leading 5-2. Thanks to a lot of hits, capped by a Manny Trillo triple, the Phillies scored five runs and went on to win the game.
by phillyinportland on Oct 5, 2011 8:11 PM EDT reply actions
Please!
Luxury rap, the Hermes of verses. Sophisticated ignorance, write my curses in cursive
by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 5, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s go RUSS
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 8:12 PM EDT reply actions
Or do that
Luxury rap, the Hermes of verses. Sophisticated ignorance, write my curses in cursive
by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 5, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, there’s something.
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions
It ain't over yet
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions
Balk?
Okay!
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
don’t swing. Salas is having control issues
perhaps not being able to rock back and forth is throwing off his timing
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:15 PM EDT reply actions
Fuck you Theriot.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
don’t blame Jimmy. that was a shot
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:16 PM EDT reply actions
That wasn't a strike Stockton. stfu
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
This strike zone is awful
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 8:17 PM EDT reply actions
lucky son of a bitch
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:18 PM EDT reply actions
Wow, thanks BABIP fairy
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 8:18 PM EDT reply actions
YES!!!
BABIP
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 8:18 PM EDT reply actions
C'MON PENCE GO YARD!
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Hunter better do something good this series, just from all the good stuff I’ve been reading about Singleton recently.
Giving St. Louis the bird since 1982
I want to see in play, run(s)
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Salas better not give Pence that again. Fouled it straight back
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:19 PM EDT reply actions
YEAH I'LL TAKE THAT!
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
i wouldnt call that a break, that’s a miscue from the other team. That bounce off the bag was a break
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol did Stockton say “who scored?”
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions
force out is gone from second
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions
That’s three gifts right there. Take advantage boys.
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions
And two hard hit outs :/
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
well uh, that wasn’t good
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:22 PM EDT reply actions
Howard, now is a time to wake the F up. Of course now comes the 98mph Gas Man.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
flip side, howard doesn’t have to get much of it
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Im going to keep on doing this because I still think the Phillies are in this
Lidge and Lee coming out of the bullpen is stupid, IMO
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
nope
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
But not necessarily that outrageous!
Ryan. If ever you are going to hit in this series...
DO IT NOW!!!!!!!!
Because I both moved and was swamped with shit from the real world about two weeks after the Pence trade, I’ve barely been able to watch baseball since then. So right now I’m rather down on Hunter Pence.
he plays the game rather uniquely
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
lee is warming up
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 8:25 PM EDT reply actions
omg.
come the f on.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
0-2 what a surprise
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 8:26 PM EDT reply actions
so predicable. everyone knows the 2 strike pitch but him
by Concrete Cyanide on Oct 5, 2011 8:26 PM EDT reply actions
yeah i'm pissed off.
Fuck you howard. And i’m typically calm about all this. But fuck you.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Leave Blanton in. No need to burn Lee or Lidge
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:27 PM EDT reply actions
that’s a shame.
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t. He was pinch hit for to start the inning.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 8:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
so a ball down the middle of the plate and he doesn't swing
next pitch is half way down the 3rd baseline and he pokes his bat at it. don’t they review game tape in baseball?
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 8:28 PM EDT reply actions
Imagine Howard was about to hit free agency
Is there any chance the Phillies would want to resign him if they knew it would cost $25 m/yr?
how many pitches has howard seen today? that’s his 2nd three pitch K, how many was his other one?
by Concrete Cyanide on Oct 5, 2011 8:28 PM EDT reply actions
You knew when he watched the second down the middle he was swinging at anything next pitch.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Oct 5, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
he could hit 130 rbis and 40 home runs every season till he retires, but when it is on his shoulders he fails more than he comes through
Yeah but if he goes on at that rate but sucks when it matters most that will all he will be remembered for.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Oct 5, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I am more meaning the media not Philly fans. I live in florida and his stike out last year is most remembered.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Oct 5, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
No comedy central, I’m not going to watch Nick Swardsons shitty show.
Luxury rap, the Hermes of verses. Sophisticated ignorance, write my curses in cursive
I can’t believe they brought that back. It’s beyond terrible.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
oh boy...
Lidge vs Pujols… that HR is still in orbit, isn’t it?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
that homerun also inadvertently gave us a world series
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m as frustrated as anyone, but despite a bad stretch, Howard’s still a fine offensive guy. He’s just not especially tremendous defensively, which kills his WAR.
Yeah, but the general feeling is that when you need him to come through, it seems like he fails more often than not.
He’s productive overall, no question. But unless you can quantify how “clutch” he is (which is pretty much impossible), the biggest things he’s remembered for are going to be K-Gate style at-bats.
Yeah, but that’s confirmation bias. I feel like he strikes out in every big situation, too, but that’s just not the case. Do I remember the good at bats as clearly? Probably not, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
in the post season his strengths and weaknesses at the plate almost negate each other. over the course of the seasonit all averages out.
stop it. He’s a so-so player at this point in his career. Great he drives in runs. He also regularly is in the top 5 in the MLB in opportunities to drive in runs.
The Jruth shall be told.
Oh, get off your high horse. In any place in my post did I suggest that he was valuable because of RBIs or HRs? If you think that’s what I meant by “a fine offensive guy,” then you’re way off.
He’s not elite, for sure, but he’s not so-so, either. We’re talking about a guy who had a better wOBA than Nelson Cruz and Billy Butler, among others. Is he worth 25 million? Of course not. But don’t act like he’s already over the hill when you don’t know why you think what you do.
He’s definitely over the top of the hill. And if you think otherwise you’re mistaken.
The Jruth shall be told.
Well you can’t argue with that logic.
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by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 5, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, gee, sorry for being able to understand that one can be overpaid and still be talented. If you think that Butler and Cruz — and by extension Howard — aren’t valuable players, then you’d make a fucking terrible GM.
I’d be smart enough not to pay Howard 125millionfuckingdollars.
ooooo Billy Butlerrrrrrrrr. yea I love it when my 1b hits singlesssssss
The Jruth shall be told.
being able to understand that one can be overpaid and still be talented.
I didn’t say pay him the 25 million, you prat. Reading comprehension is tough, but worth the effort. And Butler had 44 doubles and 19 HR — boy what a shitty player! Kick rocks.
I do understand that Ryan Howard used to be able to hit the ball to the opposite field. I do understand that Ryan Howard has been progressively worse in almost every statistical category, save 2008, since his rookie season. I do understand that he hits the occasional HR and drives in a lot of runs. I also understand that he can’t hit left handed pitching, even if the pitcher he’s up against mediocre.
And I understand that being extremely vulnerable to an easily-accessible asset, such as mediocre left-handed pitchers, is a huge liability in the playoffs.
So yea you can have Ryan Howard in the regular season all you want. I’d rather not have him on my team and replace him with a player that might not be as great at driving in runs during the regular season, but isn’t a huge liability in the post season. Plus I’ll be able to go out and sign a few more good players with the remaining 10-17 mil I got in the bank.
The Jruth shall be told.
Two things you don’t understand:
1) There’s no such thing as a player that works in the regular season and is a liability in the playoffs. This is an insane overreaction to a bad fucking night. Is he frustrating? Yeah, sure, but he’s a full-time first baseman. It’s not like James Loney is digging in out there.
2) I’m not defending his contract. I’m defending the player despite the contract. Howard is absolutely on a decline, and he’ll probably be worth negative WAR by the end of his time in Philly, but he’s still hitting, despite what a four game sample size tells you.
You want to go back to previous playoffs too? That really won’t help your argument too much man.
The Jruth shall be told.
Playoffs aren’t predictive in and of themselves, at least no more than normal AB’s. If we’re playing the same team, a regular season game tells us just as much about Howard’s skill-set as a playoff AB. Like Justin said — astutely — below, they’re small sample sizes. He doesn’t magically turn into a pumpkin because of clutch or pressure or some magic interpretation of how playoff talent works.
So then you must know that he can’t hit lefties before you get into the playoffs right? So why not just throw a pinch hitter up there for him then? Everyone around here is so obsessed with numbers and sabremetrics and luck and BABIP, so pinch hit for a dude that can’t hit lefties to save his life.
The Jruth shall be told.
Because we don’t have some crack 1B defensive replacement. Howard’s not great, but Mayberry or Gload isn’t exactly an upgrade. You don’t take out your regulars willy-nilly.
Also, since you’re so up on small sample sizes, Howard’s OPS against crack lefty reliever Arthur Rhodes, before this game, was .933. Most of that damage came in 2010, and if he’s in sharp decline, it began before then.
PS: I didn’t mention luck or BABIP — just because you hate an ideology doesn’t mean it’s everywhere.
Right, and before this series RyHo’s OPS in St. Louis was like 1.200. That’s the past, this is the present, and save for one swing of the bat in this series on a piss poor pitch he hasn’t performed.
The Jruth shall be told.
No one is arguing that he hasn’t performed. But hating on him because of his contract is unfair.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
This exactly. You’re holding him to an insane standard due to a contract that wasn’t his fault. I don’t give a shit about his numbers in St. Louis or against Rhodes or whatever. He’s had a positive WAR over the season (a much more stable sample size than four games, FWIW); hasn’t been worth it, but it’s not like he was the architect of the contract
Mayberry should have PH’d for Howard against Left Handed Pitcher With Long Last Name. But it is not Howard’s fault Charlie did not make that decision.
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Yeah, that’ll pretty much never happen. Wouldn’t have minded the move, personally.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, no way Charlie Manuel would ever do that.
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There’s no such thing as a player that works in the regular season and is a liability in the playoffs.
I don’t know how much hockey you watch, but some Philadelphia Flyers beat writers are saying that the Flyers after their off-season blow-up will not be better in the regular season but will be better equipped for the playoffs. Like what does that even mean? If a player is good to have in the regular season he will be good to have in the playoffs, and likewise with bad. That said player or team performs better or worse in the playoffs than the regular season numbers indicate he/they would is a product of small sample variance, not definable skill.
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I don’t follow hockey super-closely, but I do like the Flyers and followed (with chagrin) their off-season drama. While I’m totally illiterate in terms of advanced hockey stats like CORSI, I don’t think it’s necessarily sport specific that that statement makes no sense. Frankly, I can’t even think of a marginal player that you wouldn’t want on a postseason roster as an option, given the chance.
To illustrate this point
FanGraphs has something it calls Clutch score, which assigns a number to how much better or worse a player is in high leverage situations (think RISP) than he would have done in a “context neutral environment.” To play on the subject of the debate, I will use Ryan Howard’s clutch scores. A positive number means he is better in “clutch” situations; a negative number means he was worse in “clutch” situations
2004 regular season: 0.15
2005 regular season: -1.01
2006 regular season: 0.81
2007 regular season: 0.32
2007 playoffs: -0.19
2008 regular season: -0.7
2008 playoffs: 0.03
2009 regular season: 2.74
2009 playoffs: 0.41
2010 regular season: -0.39
2010 playoffs: -0.14
2011 regular season: 1.32
2011 playoffs: 0.25
The point of this post was not to make the argument that Ryan Howard is or is not a clutch player, but rather that “clutchiness” is a). not a sustainable skill and b). “clutchiness” is in the eye of the beholder.
If you want to have some fun with this, I can pull Derek Jeter’s clutch scores.
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Oh man, I know I can check, but I’d love to see them posted at some point. I bet there’s some tasty cognitive dissonance for Yankees’ fans.
There absolutely is
1995 regular season: -0.03
1996 regular season: -0.83
1997 regular season: 1.02
1998 regular season: 0.13
1999 regular season: 0.87
2000 regular season: -0.64
2001 regular season: -0.58
2002 regular season: -0.29
2002 playoffs: -0.23
2003 regular season: 0.38
2003 playoffs: -0.10
2004 regular season: 0.61
2004 playoffs: -0.05
2005 regular season: -0.08
2006 playoffs: -0.06
2007 regular season: 2.23
2007 playoffs: -0.01
2008 regular season: -0.28
2009 regular season: -0.85
2009 playoffs (!!!): -0.39
2010 regular season: -0.40
2010 playoffs: 0.02
2011 regular season: 0.04
2011 playoffs: -0.10
Unfortunately FanGraphs does not give Post-season clutch scores before 2002.
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by Justin F. on Oct 5, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Around 11th, depending on who you count as a 1B from the guys that play multiple positions (such as Berkman)
Bob.
So he’s not even in the top 66th percentile in terms of OPS among 1b. That’s failing if we’re in college homie.
The Jruth shall be told.
Being in the 66th percentile of your peers is not failing.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
So Logan Morrison, Freddie Freeman, Aubrey Huff, Nick Swisher, Carlos Pena, and John Mayberry shouldn’t be MLB players (Mayberry’s barely better than Butler)
Bob.
How many of those players have a 125 million dollar contract coming into play next year again?
I hold Ryan Howard to a higher standard than all of those players because he gets paid more than all of those players. Is that so wrong? Maybe if RyHo was getting paid 3 mil a year I wouldn’t care about him striking out in big situations over and over again. But he does, so I do. And frankly, I think it’s sad that you don’t hold him to a higher standard. The dude is building a 22million dollar home with fucking waterfalls, but he can’t hit a journeyman lefty. Something’s not right.
The Jruth shall be told.
I hold Ryan Howard to a higher standard than all of those players because he gets paid more than all of those players. Is that so wrong?
Yes, because like 99.9% of humans, he signed the overpayment of a contract that was put in front of him.
Is he worth 125 mil? Absolutely not. I don’t think anyone would say he is, except the idiot who gave it to him.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Sure, it could happen, and I hope it *does". But given the way the Phillies have played today, I expect them to go down 1-2-3 next inning.
it also destroyed Lidge’s confidence, too
He wasn’t the same in Houston after that dinger
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
so that streak of saves in 08 just happened?
Giving St. Louis the bird since 1982
by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Or it was luck. Relievers are notoriously erratic, and Lidge in Philly has had one stellar year and multiple years of suck. So, unless winning a World Series destroyed Lidge’s confidence…well…
Bob.
where did I say that?
And no, I don’t think it was coincidence that a reliever whose relatively good sucks for half of a season, finishes out that season, then goes to Philly and goes on that streak
Yes, I think Puols killed his confidence in Houston
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
So, he’s a good pitcher, gets his confidence shattered by Pujols, sucks for half a season, becomes good again, and then mysteriously starts sucking again? Yeah, I feel narrative trumping logic here.
Bob.
You seem to forget that he got hurt after that streak
Velocity dropped, couldn’t locate fastball. He was hurt, that’s why his stats sucked
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t know Lidge had a “sucky” year in 2010. I think he only blew five games(compared to like a 40-save season? or 35-saves?)
Lidge: 08 World Champs
Lidge: 09 absolutely blows, but he had a strong playoffs all the way up until that Yankees elimination game.
Lidge: Strong 010 campaign
Lidge: 11 Injured for most of the year, comes back to be a solid set up man
Where’s the absolute suckiness?
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 5, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s ok, I wasn’t trying to recruit you
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, I wasn’t trying to be confrontational, just letting you know
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmm 125 mil for Howard…
Probably could have given Pujols 175 mil for 7 years after this season is over. Who do you think will have a better 5 year stretch after this season?
The Jruth shall be told.
why does it look like braun has a club for a bat?
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 8:32 PM EDT reply actions
well go figure
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 8:33 PM EDT reply actions
so
its carpenter (sp?) vs. halladay friday right? pretty nice matchup
FWIW, I’m pretty sure 4 of Lidge’s last 5 outings have been not only successful but efficient.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 5, 2011 8:34 PM EDT reply actions
Please Baseball Gods, BaseBa'al, BABIP Fairy, and the Phillies,
Please allow the Phillies to break their closer. Please allow the Phillies to prevail, somehow. Please get us(the Phillies) through to the NLCS tonight.
:)
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
i don’t know why i added the “and Phillies” in the address, but w/e.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
It would be rather awkward if us, and not the Phillies, made the NLCS.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t swing.
Make this guy prove he can throw some strikes in an elimination game.
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 8:37 PM EDT reply actions
k maybe that wasn’t a great plan.
Blargh, just listen to Charlie.
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, hi plate discipline, nice to see were bedfellows again
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:38 PM EDT reply actions
that was ball 4
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 8:38 PM EDT reply actions
that was ball 4
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:38 PM EDT reply actions
How do you go from a 3-0 count to a shitty hit to first?
Eagles: 1-3, but things WILL turn around.
Flyers: Soon
Phillies: 5 Time NL East Division Champions!
By staring at strikes 1 and 2, apparently?
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
fuck you craig sager
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 8:39 PM EDT reply actions
Good Lord from the comments on her you’d think this team lost 102 games this season.
Giving St. Louis the bird since 1982
No kidding…
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If you look at most of the overly negative comments, they are from the playoff bandwagoners who don’t comment often. Shocker.
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whatever....
we’re putting it all on the line friday with Halladay. I guess it isn’t a bad thing.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
fasdvdsfv
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 8:41 PM EDT reply actions
Remind me again why the Phillies tried against the Braves that last series?
The Jruth shall be told.
The Cardinals aren’t better than the D-backs.
by philsandthrills on Oct 5, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If you can’t beat the Cardinals, what makes you think you can beat any of the other teams in the playoffs
You guys are making the same argument.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet they hit better
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Oct 5, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree. The Cardinals have a lot of strengths. Some hitters are on streaks. Their manager is using their bullpen well. We’re playing a good team. Their defense is doing much better than what you’d expect. Collectively our work at the plate today was disappointing. It’s hard to know something that is an intangible, but after the first three hitters the Phillies didn’t seem like they were the ones in charge when they were batting.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 5, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Because the playoffs are a crapshoot.
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I am with you. I thought the Cards knocked our pitchers around in sept. I know we didn’t have our full team, but they are here now and they still knock our pitchers around. That is the only reason I thought laying down to them to face the D-Backs was right move.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Oct 5, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You know how I know you're gay?
you prance when you congratulate your teammates
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:43 PM EDT reply actions
Could I get ahold of that collective bargaining agreement and change the part about guaranteed contracts?
The Jruth shall be told.
I’m up for it.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 8:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm just like
Let's go Hawks! Detroit sucks!
Bear down, Chicago Bears!
Philadelphia Phillies: FIVE-TIME NL EAST CHAMPS!
Once again
Cool strike zone.
Also, Howard is absolutely killing this team. I know he opened things up in game 1, but he’s been a boat anchor around this team for the vast majority of this series. He’s an easy out.
The red squares outside the black box
Are balls called strikes.
The green triangles inside the box are strikes called balls.
Wouldn’t be as big a problem if it was consistent. Problem is, lower-left corner was a ball in the top of the inning, and a strike at the bottom of it.
by JamesFromPhilly on Oct 5, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
How are swinging strikes/ fouls/ balls in play handled?
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 8:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not recorded
Normalized strike zone only tracks called strikes/balls.
by JamesFromPhilly on Oct 5, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that 2 balls called K’s for the Phillies and 6 for the Cardinals?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Right, are red squares strikes called FOR St. Louis or AGAINST St. Louis
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
They are for the batter
Red square = St. Louis pitcher threw a strike.
Green square = St. Louis pitcher threw a ball.
Triangles for Philly.
by JamesFromPhilly on Oct 5, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s pretty bad but wonder if the phillies plate approach can effect this. Perhaps more impatient teams gets more strikes called against? Just something I was thinking about during the game.
Pitchers definitely get the benefit of the doubt on Howard, at the very least.
by philsandthrills on Oct 5, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. Though the umpires damn sure haven’t helped them. Anything could get called a strike.
by philsandthrills on Oct 5, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
not a good receipe. they can be so derpy sometimes, It’s kills ya in the post season if your not getting BABIP luck. I wish I could download Hardball Times work on counts into their heads. Best way to offset BABIP fairey – work the count. In short series you can wait around for BABIP to average out….of course there’s no guarentees but I’d like to see them maximize their chances more effectiively.
well i wouldn't mindset funny
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
the replying is acting weird
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
not funny
idk what that was
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
Im not JIBTA.
by howard is better than pujols on Oct 5, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
We are fucked. Ryan Howard is a killer. I mean why is he getting 125mil next year???
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
ummmm because yeah the baserunning genius of Utley and Pence had no effect on this game whatsoever, nosiree.
Giving St. Louis the bird since 1982
by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that shit in the First wasn’t good but guys on base 3 pitch strike out seems to me worse, especially when it happens again and again.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Oct 5, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Pence was safe.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
i said this when we beat the braves... "are you scared of the cardinals"
you all said no but ‘wary’, and some even said no not at all,why? why wouldnt you rather play a weak d-backs or braves team instead of the red hot cards? i dont give a fuck about not looking right “purposely” losing to the braves.. if phillies lose this, it would be a failure and its all their faults..
I hate new york.
by XxActionJacksonxX on Oct 5, 2011 8:46 PM EDT reply actions
i was scared of the cardinals
i absolutely didnt want to see them at all this postseason
Me either. I said it when they played the series in Philly… That we needed to beat them then to avoid this.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 8:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
nope
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The DBacks are not a weak team.
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diamondbacks dont scare me at all…
I hate new york.
by XxActionJacksonxX on Oct 5, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
braves too for that point
I hate new york.
by XxActionJacksonxX on Oct 5, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s great and all, and neither should the Cardinals. But the D-backs won more games than the Cardinals, and are probably a better team.
by philsandthrills on Oct 5, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
hot teams are the most deadly out there for the phillies… proved that last year… d-backs werent exactly hot… and we outplayed the d-backs when we played them.. except for that 2 run double in the 9th against halladay
I hate new york.
by XxActionJacksonxX on Oct 5, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that is certainly a lot of ellipses.
by philsandthrills on Oct 5, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
And if the Phillies were losing to the D-Backs right now, you’d be saying the exact same shit about “why didn’t the Phillies just try against the Braves.”
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Because anything can happen. We beat Garcia but lost to Jackson, for one thing.
And who’s to say throwing the series to end up with the Diamondbacks wouldn’t come back and bite us anyway? Playoffs are a crapshoot, and we’ve been really unlucky on balls put in play and with shitty umpiring.
I know that. It is just tough- in some ways I would have rather had either of the other options than the Cardinals. They gave us fits in the regular season, and are continuing to give us fits.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 8:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
trololololololololo
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
im also not sure how i feel about a 4 day rest chris carpenter.
hopefully it wont be as bad as tonight
if they don’t, and Milwaukee wins, you’re still looking at Hamels as your starter on Sunday (then again, that’s if the Phils win)
Hamels isn’t desired, but still damn good
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
operating under the assumption that Lee was pitching today. I was just making the point that Halladay pitching Friday really has no negative effect on the series
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
right. and it puts Halladay in for Game 3 of the next, and potentially Game 7, which is not bad.
by flyersfaninchicago on Oct 5, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
this team is built to go 7 games pitching wise. The hitting, as always, seems to be the issue
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless Lee appears on Friday, he’d start the NLCS.
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just commented above
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i know me too
just a lil nervous for friday is all
Hey, y'all, remember what happened the last time Doc pitched an elimination game?
We won.
Let’s go.
Also: Chase Utley, take your head out of your ass.
This is why the playoffs suck.
The bitch of small sample sizes. Not enough time for things to average out. We’re a better team than the Cardinals, just not right now. Balls aren’t falling in or finding holes, and as a result we’re trying too damn hard to put it over the fence. And it’s nearly impossible to take a walk if you don’t know what the strike zone. And you take risks that are very ill-advised hoping something comes of it. Pressure’s on, and we’re powerless to respond.
Game 5 on Friday. Roy Halladay starts. This is where the fun begins.
Some people don't think it be what it is, but it do.
this is why I love the playoffs. Every mistake is under a magnifying glass. It’s basically a war of who fucks up first, and to what extent
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 5, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but when you fuck up by proxy (i.e. Jerry Meals), it’s damn frustrating.
Some people don't think it be what it is, but it do.
by TheOrangeCone on Oct 5, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn’t watch today, so I couldn’t judge…
Some people don't think it be what it is, but it do.
by TheOrangeCone on Oct 5, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The Phillies have Roy Halladay on the mound for Game 5. There are worse positions to be in.
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So anyone think they’ll be able to hit Carpenter on Friday?
I’ll be at the game and for the first time in the past 4 years, I’ll be going in with absolutely no faith that they’re gonna pull it out, and I hate that.
by Chutley's Impressed by Mac's Speed on Oct 5, 2011 8:51 PM EDT reply actions
C’mon Chutley, you’re better than that.
by philsandthrills on Oct 5, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I know. I hate feeling this way. Like I said, it’s a first for me.
by Chutley's Impressed by Mac's Speed on Oct 5, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Four words
Roy. Mother. Fucking. Halladay.
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The way they have been hitting and the way the Phillies have been hitting?
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 8:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, don’t worry. I was the one in here bitching about the lousy fans at game 2. I will not go quietly.
by Chutley's Impressed by Mac's Speed on Oct 5, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Sinker sinker sinker, fuckin’ sinker.
Some people don't think it be what it is, but it do.
by TheOrangeCone on Oct 5, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
If it wasn’t for BABIP shenanigans, the Phillies would’ve won game 2. Don’t just take out one part of the series.
by philsandthrills on Oct 5, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
So you’re saying the Cardinals have been far more reliant on luck, because they needed 12 lucky events to win a game, where the Phillies only needed one lucky event.
Bob.
that’s exactly what I said right up there in the first post. ben francisco is the only reason we didn’t lose the series tonight
And some luck on balls in play is the reason they didn’t lose the series in 3 games.
by philsandthrills on Oct 5, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
good for him, and if the cardinals didn’t have BABIP in Game two the series would have been over, and if they didn’t have some timely two out hitting tonight the series would have been over, and also if a frog hand wings…….
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously people Chill Out. The Phillies lost a game due to some crazy baserunning errors and some timely two out hitting. In case you haven’t noticed the team is still pretty good. And oh yeah Halladay’s pitching
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The Phillies struck out all of one more time than the Cardinals did tonight.
by philsandthrills on Oct 5, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
shhhhhh no need for logic here. It’s Philliegeddon.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't agree more
If the Phils are a championship team, they win tomorrow. I get all the comments pointing out how the Cardinals are finding more holes than the Phils, but Oswalt gave up runs on hard-hit balls. The difference in this series is Lee and Oswalt had bad starts. Also, does anyone notice Howard seems farther away from the plate?
We did have more baserunners than we did in Game 2.
Now we put it all together in Game 5.
Is Jerry Meals going to be behind the plate on Friday? Was he the game one ump, or do they not start the rotation over?
We win, they win, we win, they win...
The pattern says we’re going to the NLCS.
I am sick of the “human element.” Molina shouldn’t be able to influence a game by BSing the umpires with his pitch framing—and he CERTAINLY shouldn’t be getting praised for it. It’s just as bad as guys who dive in soccer.
Use the technology for balls and strikes. It is literally the easiest call in sports for technology to pick up on/correct. It is pathetically absurd that umpires affect the outcome of games when they don’t have to. It’s even more pathetic that “framing a pitch” is considered a legitimate catcher skill.
I’m not saying Molina is the only one doing it, by the way. I wish he were, but it permeates the entire league.
Oh well, I’ll see you in game 5. I’d rather be the team with Halladay and home field advantage. I still wouldn’t wanna be the other guy.
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 8:57 PM EDT reply actions
I think it’d be going a little far to use technology for balls and strikes. I’m pretty for it in most other cases, but what do you advocate? A robot calling balls and strikes?
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it’s going too far; I don’t buy that narrative at all. If anything, it’s the one aspect of the game that would be the easiest to regulate without disrupting the “flow of the game” and the greatest opportunity to cut out a huge bulk of bad calls.
Despite the robot hyperbole, it’s not that difficult to put a little buzzer in the ump’s pockets. Vibration in your left cheek, ball. Right cheek, strike.
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks- you made me laugh. I needed that.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 9:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I didn’t mean a literal robot, but I do believe that completely eliminating perception out of the game is wrong.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 5, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s where I disagree with the masses.
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, Framing pitches is not like diving in soccer
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 5, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’d agree that’s taking it a bit far.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad ABs, Bad pitch selection, just not good
The lack of patience was pretty clear and once Edwin Jackson realized they were going up there hacking, he adjusted and the Phillies didn’t…you’d almost think they weren’t a veteran team by their ABs tonight. Chooch/Roy or whoever decided on that 0-2 slider to Holliday in the 6th…WTF! Holliday has a bad hand and is clearly having trouble getting around on a fastball, in fact, he can’t hit it right now. If you are going to throw a slider there you have to bury it. Fastball in there and Oswalt gets the out and Freese never comes to the plate. This game was Rollins & Utley and a gaping hole from 3-9 and you aren’t going to win many games like that. How many sliders away does Edwin Jackson have to throw to Pence & Chooch before they stop trying to pull everything. Oswalt had better ABs than Howard and Ibanez. I’ll be extremely disappointed if they lose this series, because except for a few guys, they have played really dumb baseball.
"Francisco...that's fun to say! Francisco...Francisco" - Buddy
I think the gaping hole began with Utley. You saw his baserunning right?
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
What exactly happened? I missed it.
Some people don't think it be what it is, but it do.
by TheOrangeCone on Oct 5, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
he tried to go from first to third, on an infield single.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
…Yikes.
Some people don't think it be what it is, but it do.
by TheOrangeCone on Oct 5, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
About the only thing that makes me less angry about it (and I fully understand the fallacy of the predetermined outcome), is that if Utley stopped at second, Pence is probably out at first. Howard then K’s for the second out. Victorino grounds out and Utley would have been left on third.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 9:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well I wasn’t thrilled with them yesterday and people wondered why. Is this Gross’s philosphy with all this hacking? It’s fine to do in the first inning but you wanna mix shit up. They can’t keep batting like this in a short series – it’s death unless you have BABIP on your side.
Is Gross’s strategy any difference than Thompson’s?
Pretty sure they just do whatever Charlie wants.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
well on you and I are on the same page about Chuckles. I just didn’t wanna start a ruckus. Dude just undermanages sometimes. Works over 162, in fact I think it’s a good way to manage (bullpen shit aside) but sometimes like in the post season you have tell them what the fuck to do cuz they don’t do it.
If Carpenter is down in the zone on Friday, they will lose unless they change their approach. The LHBs should be looking to pepper LF and go the other way, which they occasionally will do with a sinkerball pitcher…rarely is more likely. They usually are up there trying to pull everything and if the pitches are up in the zone like they were in the 1st inning against Carpenter last time then it works…otherwise it’s one GO after another 4-3 & 3U all night long.
"Francisco...that's fun to say! Francisco...Francisco" - Buddy
COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE
Where the fuck is our offense? They think it was a one game series? Ryan Howard? Hello? What the fuck guys, what the fuckin fuck.
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by DannyMcG on Oct 5, 2011 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well, in 22 years as a Phillies fan this is my first “win or go home” game that involves the Phillies. I know the playoffs are a crapshoot and that Halladay is pitching, but I’m not going to be able to relax at all on Friday.
ignore my lousy math. The years are getting away from grampus over here.
But damn, that 1980 series was way, way worse than this cardiovascularly.
I think everybody is confused here. Did he/she mean Postseason “Winner takes all; Loser goes home”? Or just a straight up Phillies elimination game (in which case it is obviously 2010 Game 6).
The last time the Phillies played in a series-deciding Winner Take All, Loser Goes home game was the 1981 LDS against Montreal. The Phillies went home.
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Pence isn’t a bad interview.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 9:13 PM EDT reply actions
I’m just glad I don’t have to listen to the friggin’ mouthbreathers that are going to call WIP and rail against the Phils because of a 2-2 tie in a 5 game series.
Some people don't think it be what it is, but it do.
LOL. So this.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
For this team, anything short of a World Series is a complete failure. There are zero excuses for anything less than a championship. Doesn’t matter what happened all year, they were expected to do that with this roster. With this much talent, this much payroll, this much playoff experience, this whole season means absolutely nothing if we don’t win the World Series. Don’t give me any bullshit about “Thanks for a great season!” or “Real fans stick by their team no matter what!” because I am an extremely passionate fan and I have never seen a team have this good of a chance to win a championship and then look so bad in a playoff series.
Cliff had a bad game, Oswalt had a bad game, but they weren’t bad enough that our offense shouldn’t have won one of those games. We won game 3 because of a fluke homerun by Francisco and we only had a chance to score late in the game because of an even bigger fluke bounce on Utley’s hit that hit the bag. We should be crushing this team like we’ve crushed teams all year and we just aren’t doing it and it doesn’t look like they want it that badly right now.
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Bro
Look at the list of teams that won 100 games. Now look at how many won the World Series. Nothing is guaranteed.
Yeah, no shit
Those teams blew it. When you’re the best team all year and then don’t show up in the playoffs, that’s called blowing it, and those teams shouldn’t deserve much credit for winning when it doesn’t matter.
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winning when it doesn’t matter
Tell that to the Sox and Braves.
'Things are more like today than they have ever been before." Gerald R. Ford
Pretty obvious that playoff games matter more than regular season games when you’ve been a playoff team since March. Everyone knew we’d make the playoffs all year. Doesn’t matter how many regular season RBIs Howard has if he does nothing in the playoffs, same as it doesn’t matter how any of our players did all year if they don’t show up in the playoffs.
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Dude
I’m not sure we could beat Houston or Washington in a 5-game playoff. That doesn’t mean they are better than us. The playoffs are a crapshoot. You just downed all 100-win teams. They won the 160-game series, but lost in random postseason appearances. It happens.
And it happens often.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I completely agree. It seems to be a theme not to blame anyone for anything around here. Glad to see someone who holds people accountable for not coming through when it matters.
The Jruth shall be told.
THANK YOU
I’m not saying oh our team sucks fire everyone blah blah blah, I’m saying show some god damn fire and competitiveness and play like everyone knows you can play, don’t wait for someone else to make a play, do it yourself and be a leader. There is too much talent and experience on this team for them to play this badly in the clutch.
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I saw a lot of fire and competitiveness tonight that resulted in bad baserunnning, bad at bats and errors in the field. Sometimes that fire makes you play stupid.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I can’t ever imagine a time that fire makes you good in baseball. Or any game that matter (except for NBA Jam).
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Oct 5, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
For real.
I wish our players cared more. If they could show some fire we wouldn’t have lost a game yet.
Luxury rap, the Hermes of verses. Sophisticated ignorance, write my curses in cursive
by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 5, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I care about winning the lottery. A lot. Why haven’t I won yet?
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
You really have a problem with this don’t you?
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
Teams lose, even the best ones, a lot. It’s not because they don’t care or don’t have “fire.” It’s because of stupid decisions, bad managing, lucky hits, questionable calls. Not because they aren’t trying. I just hate that injected narrative.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Right. It’s because they can’t perform when it matters. It’s not luck when Roy Halladay throws a pitch over the middle of the plate to Cody Ross. Cody Ross has always had pop, and almost anyone in the majors can hit a meatball.
Not saying Roy Halladay isn’t overall a great player or great in the post season, because he’s been pretty damn good. But for that one pitch he wasn’t better than Cody fucking Ross.
And for a majority of pitches Ryan Howard isn’t better than a left handed relief pitcher making 643k.
The Jruth shall be told.
Whatever. My point was you can’t say they don’t care.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I don’t see much frustration on players’ faces when they go 0-4 over and over, and worse, I don’t see them turning it around. There were some awful decisions made tonight, which is frustrating. But right now at least half the team doesn’t look like they want it more than the Cardinals and that is straight up depressing. And, if Ryan Howard doesn’t finally do something in game 5 then I can not support him being on this team anymore.
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OMG. Now you can read people’s faces. You should work for the CIA sniffing out terrorists.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I am glad to see Dr. Cal Lightman is a member of The Good Phight
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You clearly don’t care enough. You need to really show your disappointment each time you don’t win. For instance, you could tear up your ticket into little pieces, or maybe set it on fire. Do that enough AND then you’ll win.
Luxury rap, the Hermes of verses. Sophisticated ignorance, write my curses in cursive
by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 5, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
AH, you were being snarky. Good. Carry on.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Yes, I realize it was dry. I try to avoid the /s tag as much as possible. Sometimes the snark doesn’t translate over the interwebz though.
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by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 5, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, I actually thought you were being sarcastic at first, but wasn’t sure enough to comment.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I just need to be more active here I guess, haha.
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by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 5, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, to be honest I kind of assume the worst for anyone with a SN that starts with Eagles.
by philsandthrills on Oct 5, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t blame you. The comments section of BGN articles are cringe-worthy.
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by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 5, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think I did at all. I’m not sure what he wants from the players except to show more “fire”, as if they somehow don’t care and that’s what made them lose the 2 games in this series.
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by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 5, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If you can’t see that the Cardinals won because they wanted it more than what is your explanation for how we lose to them twice now with our dismal offense. Luck? Are you gonna tell me the Phillies aren’t a much better team than the Cardinals? They won because they battled and the Phillies didn’t.
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102 wins vs. 90 wins isn’t significant. They were playing playoff baseball the last 3 weeks of their season. There’s some merit to that.
“Wanting it more” is lazy narrative, man.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Do you blame every loss on bad luck? We’re the best team in baseball and yes, sometimes we lose because we get out-played because the other team wants it more. Have you ever even played a sport?
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“Not wanting it” doesn’t translate well to a sport like baseball.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t play that “have you ever played” card with me. Sometimes you lose because the other team manages better, makes better decisions, is smarter at the dish and YES has better luck. It’s not because the other team “wants it more”.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I have. Combat sports. Wanting more can work there. And there’s no luck in those sports. But it just doesn’t work in baseball because the outcomes are luck dependent, but not the skill to hit and pitch baseball. Your not seperating the outcomes from the activity.
But even in fighting I could"want" myself to be faster but I did need to want it more to push thru pain or exhaustion.
Not on topic, but the more you reveal about your life, the more I’m basically convinced that you’re post-punk Wolverine.
I just don’t agree with your premise. Just because they “want it more” doesn’t somehow improve their ability to play baseball. And I don’t think you have any way of telling how much the Phillie players “want it”.
Over the past few years, arguably the best stretch of Phillies baseball in their history, have you seen them lose 3 games out of 5 to bad opponents? Sure you have. Lot’s of times (although not as much this year because they were insanely good.) But the point is, they’re playing a good team in the Cardinals and just because it’s the playoffs doesn’t change the fact that sometimes shit happens in baseball.
To attribute these losses because the players don’t care is ridiculous.
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by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 5, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
My point
is that there are too many people on this blog blaming playoff losses on luck and not holding players accountable for their straight up bad play. Vic losing a ball in the sun and slipping is bad luck. Ryan Howard being completely invisible in his last 12 or 13 at bats is him not performing well. I’m not saying that we’re losing solely because the Cardinals want it more, I’m saying that that is a factor. Their guys are stepping up and getting clutch hits and ours are making poor decisions and having bad at-bats. If you’re gonna play the “luck” card, then you should be able to see that all our offense since game 1 (by all I mean the lack thereof) has been based on luck. We’re not short on luck, we’re short on performance. Francisco’s homer, Jay losing Rollins’ double in the sun today, Utley’s grounder hits first base and takes a hop, etc. Pence and Rollins have stepped up and nobody else has, or if they have, like Utley, they made an awful decision and squandered it. Or, like Howard, they just completely played awful.
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NO one is blaming everything on luck. It’s a lot of things. However, it’s not “who wants it more,” which is just such an oversimplification of things.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
People need a scapegoat. They need a reason to be mad. And if they don’t like the true reason, they will invent one.
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Steve Bartman!
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I am partly convinced Alex Gonzalez is now Steve Bartman’s least favorite baseball player.
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That’s a bit dishonest and furthermore your oversimplfing the argument . Several of us have called out the team out. They are not playing in way to maximize their chances. However even if they were taking better ABs there’s no guarentee that they wouldn’t be victimized by bad luck. And that’s what your not getting. It takes alot of skill to hit and pitch a baseball but outcomes are very chance effected. They play 162 game for that reason so it averages out. They are not putting themselves in a better postion to take advantage of there chances at the plate this can hurt in a short series. That doesn’t mean that they aren’t trying.
What do we do with Howard?
Is he possible to trade this offseason? Getting rid of Ibanez this offseason will help a lot, but Howard.. I don’t know… I can’t trust him.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
No. No one will ever take on that contract unless the Phillies pay most of it.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I think perhaps when his contract was supposed to be up we could trade him. I wouldn’t even mind taking a good deal of his contract. I think new blood helps a team many times, and Howard’s routine is getting old.
Also, our payroll is going to go off the charts. We can’t be the team we want to be (Pick up talent at whatever prices) anymore. Perhaps in two years, we trade Howard and pay the first two years of his contract, so it comes off the books earlier.
I don’t know. It won’t happen. But I’m not happy.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
Yeah… Howard had two really clutch hits, but nothing else. There is no way we would be able to trade him.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Oct 5, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I always find Dr. Steve funny because he says things I would say in jest but for realz.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Oct 5, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll bite. What have I said that is funny, exactly? Howard has good regular season numbers? Okay. I guess he doesn’t strike out a lot and more often than not have poor at bats, with either strikes looking or swinging at anything.
Why the laughs at my expense here?
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
Howard does not merely have a bad contract, he has the worst contract in baseball. You could wait a thousand years and you would not encounter a GM stupid enough to take him from us.
by Spoilt Victorian Child on Oct 5, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
See now you are actually joking! yay.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Oct 5, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s wrong with saying “I want to trade Howard”? It’s not some kind of stupid statement. It’s not something to taunt me for wanting to do.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
Yeah, but you didn’t say “I want to trade Howard.” You said this:
Is he possible to trade this offseason?
Which is really funny.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
No one said it’s not possible. It’s not going to be a good trade, but I am sure it is possible.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
Is it possible to trade Cookies for Pujols?
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Oct 5, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not. The teams with shitty 1Bs don’t have the payroll to afford a contract like Howard’s.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe we can still trade Taco-pal… has he been working out so he can pass that physical?
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Oct 5, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but I’m pretty sure Vernon Well’s contract is up sooner than Ryan Howard’s
The Jruth shall be told.
Worse than Zito or Zambrano?
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 9:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, as there is a lot less money tied up in those contracts. Zambrano isn’t even really comparable at all.
by philsandthrills on Oct 5, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know that I would go that far, but definitely a very bad contract.
Anybody want to bet that either Pujols or Fielder gets a contract that moves it down on the list?
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 9:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not likely
His six year 125 million dollar extension starts next year and he has a limited no-trade clause. If it was not for the Vernon Wells deal, I would say no. Also, trading him would probably involve either eating a huge piece of the contract or taking on an equally toxic deal.
Also, the problems with this team do not start and end with Howard. Pence and Utley made baserunning errors, Victorino made a fielding error that may have given the Cardinals a run, and 4 and below in the order contributed 3 hits tonight, with one of them coming from Ross Gload. At the end of the day, if the Phillies do not win this Series, there is plenty of blame to go around.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 9:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
6 AM.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on whether the squirrel checks his luggage, or sticks to a carry on.
'Things are more like today than they have ever been before." Gerald R. Ford
I was really hoping for a comeback to keep the whole rally squirrel possibility alive…oh well
"Francisco...that's fun to say! Francisco...Francisco" - Buddy
I would guess 6pm if there is a game 5 in Milwaukee, otherwise 8-8:30
"Francisco...that's fun to say! Francisco...Francisco" - Buddy
That’s what espn.com says. 5:07 start for a possible Game 5 in Milwaukee, Phils start at 8:37
Luxury rap, the Hermes of verses. Sophisticated ignorance, write my curses in cursive
by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 5, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably the game will start whenever someone finally holds someone accountable for their performance. Until then, we’re grounded from baseball.
TRAID EVERYBODY
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Oct 5, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I am looks like there is some sort of pattern in your post.
I can’t quite put my finger on it…
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG, that was some asshole on FB suggesting to blow up the team. 102 wins and they want to low up the team. It’s frustrating, for sure, but shit—can’t people see the variables going on in this series?
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I hate all the naysayers… when we win Friday y’all don’t get to join the champaign party.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Oct 5, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a reason everyone is being negative, have you watched this team the past 3 games?? They have looked terrible. And its not even been an hour since they got beat dominated by Edwin Jackson and the “great” bullpen of the cardinals. PEople have a right to be frustrated and pissed off. Im furious, and am honestly not feeling to confident about Friday. Halladay has to throw a shutout (only 1 all year) or we lose with this offense currently.
ask not what the Phillies can do for you
"Francisco...that's fun to say! Francisco...Francisco" - Buddy
by DirtyWaters on Oct 5, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They will hit Carpenter.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
idk why so confident, they haven’t hit anyone since the 2nd inning of game 2. he has a great career record against us, we just have to pray Halladay was right and starting on 3 days hurts more the next start. We also need to pray Howard learns how to hit the damn ball
I don’t want to speak for doubleh, but let me guess: Because it’s more fun to be confident than depressed? Because sports are fun? It’s not terribly complicated.
Something Halladay said before Carpenter’s start is sticking with me. He said that the start on short rest was not when you felt it, but the one after. Anybody know of an easy way to look up performance stats (not just post season but overall) for a regular rest start following short rest?
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 9:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You do realize their current bullpen is better than the early-season bullpen? Salas had a 2.28 ERA, Motte a 2.25, Dotel a 3.28, Boggs a 3.56, Scrabble a 3.97, and Rhodes a 4.15.
For comparison, Madson was a 2.37, Bastardo a 2.64, Lidge a 1.40 (somehow), Worley a 3.01, and Stutes a 3.63. The bullpen’s not a significant advantage for the Phillies.
Bob.
From ESPN
“Ryan Howard went 0-for-4 with 3 strikeouts on Wednesday. It gives him the highest strikeout rate in MLB postseason history, among those with a minimum of 100 postseason PA.”
he has been terrible all series besides game 1, in game 2 he got a lucky hit that got 2 rbis and since then he’s 0-fer.
you can’t call a hit lucky when he stays back on a ball and puts it up the middle unless you call all of his other ground outs unlucky
"Francisco...that's fun to say! Francisco...Francisco" - Buddy
I will call his ground balls that go into the shift that would normally be hits are unlucky. But he was lucky to get a hit there. If it doesn’t hit off carpenter its a easy double play. You can defend him all you want but that is a fact.
Hmmm maybe that’s because teams more often than not bring in a lefty to face him whenever it matters, unlike the regular season where a lefty might not be available for the 6th or 7th innings.
The Jruth shall be told.
I don’t know- most of his at bats would happen with the starter in, so while that could raise the rate I doubt that it is the only issue.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 9:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Given that he’s probably close to the highest strikeout rate in the regular season, that’s not surprising.
by philsandthrills on Oct 5, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Game 5 advice: don’t score in the first inning. Also, allow the Cards to score in the first inning.
"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews
Doesn’t matter if the Cards score. The Phillies can not put first inning runs on the board (see Game 3).
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Oct 5, 2011 9:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Need postgame thread. This one is slower than whale shit.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
That’s a bad thing?
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Matchup:
Halladay – Carpenter
ERA 2.35 – 3.45
FIP 2.20 - 3.06
xFIP 2.71 – 3.31
SIERA 2.64 – 3.35
WAR 8.2 – 5.0
WPA 3.82 – 1.06
WPA/LI 3.21 – 0.90
WINZ 19 – 11
LOSSEZ 6 – 9
RINGZ 0-1 (the only category where Carpenter has an advantage)
PHI record when Halladay starts: 25-8
STL record when Carpenter starts: 17-18 (wtf?)
Phillies have home field.
Offensive stats are basically a wash.
I hate the fact that we have to face a game 5, but I’d much rather be us than be the other guys.
Math Problems? Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x].
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2011 10:05 PM EDT reply actions
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