Bandbox Schmandbox: Citizens Bank Park Is Not Playing Like A Hitter's Park
We've covered this ground before, when we reported a year ago that Citizens Bank Park had already been playing neutral for three years.
When we say a park favors hitters, what do we mean? We mean that they hit better there (score more runs, or more specifically, hit more home runs) than they would in an average ballpark. But how do we measure that? We can't simply compare the runs scored there, or the HRs hit, to other parks, because that is very much dependent on the home team. Instead, we control for the makeup of the team by comparing what happens in a team's home games with what happens in their away games, against the same teams.
A note on Park Factors, as they're used throughout this post: The number on the left in the table below is the Park Factor (e.g. 1.034 for Scoring in 2007), and it means that CBP boosted scoring by 3.4% that year. The way this is calculated (for any stat, but in this case runs scored), is by comparing runs scored by both teams in games played at CBP, with runs scored by the same teams in the other teams' parks. For example in 2007 the Phillies scored 450 and allowed 421 at home, for a total of 871, or 10.75 per game. In their away games, they scored 442 and allowed 400, a total of 842, or 10.40 per game. 10.75 divided by 10.40 is 1.034.formula: (runs by both teams in the Phillies' home games) / (runs by teams in the Phillies' away games)
A PF over one means the park favors hitters, less than 1 means it favors pitchers.
Persistence of Myths
Myths die hard. Writers, commentators, and announcers have hard enough jobs without having to look up stats to confirm facts that are already established as common knowledge: Batting Average and RBIs are the most important stats for a hitter, Michael Young is a great player, and Citizens Bank Park is a bandbox -- a hitters' haven, and a pitcher's nightmare.
That last myth used to be true, if only in part. In its first 4 years, CBP was in the top 6 in HR park factor in each year, but even in most of those years it only boosted scoring (i.e. overall hitting) modestly:
Citizens Bank Park: 2004-2007
However since the 2008 season, not only is CBP not boosting scoring, it also hasn't been inflating home runs.
After 4 years of the data not matching the narrative, some are beginning to notice:
"Citizens Bank Park isn't quite the bandbox it's reputed to be..." - Christina Kahrl
"A stunning tidbit in 2012 Bill James Handbook: What was the worst HR park in 2011 for RH hitters in the National League? Citizens Bank Park!" - Jayson Stark
"The park in Philly is in the middle of the pack, offensively." - Brian Kenny on MLB Network's Clubhouse Confidential
"(While Citizens Bank Ballpark in Philly has a reputation has a great hitter's park, it's actually been essentially neutral over the past several seasons.)" - David Schoenfield
However the overwhelming majority are blithely perpetuating the myth, even when describing situations where it's behaving like anything but a hitter's park:
"...Chris Carpenter ... turned Citizens Bandbox Park into the spacious and forgiving Busch Stadium that was home to Whitey's Rug Rats in the '80s." - Marty Noble"Maybe it was the sight of his players flailing in Citizen's Bank bandbox in the first game of a potential playoff preview series." - Ann Killion
Yankee (NY): +31.2%
Coors (COL) +29.5%
Arlington (TEX): +26.7%
Citizens Bank Park may help certain types of batters (e.g. left-handed hitters), but for every segment that it helps, there must be equal segments that it hurts, because in aggregate it plays neutral. And, as is well known by now, it hasn't helped the most famous left-handed home run hitter to have played there -- Ryan Howard has actually hit fewer home runs at home (140) in his career, than he has on the road (146).
Below are the 4-year park factors for all 30 parks:
And the same data in graphical form:
2008-2011 Park Factors
(click to enlarge)
Phillies' Hitters
Looking more specifically at Phillies' hitters, they've been helped slightly more than opposing hitters, but the park factors would still be well within the smaller circle in the graph above:
Scoring: 1.040
Homers: 1.034
Opposing Hitters (i.e. Phillies' Pitching)
Scoring: 0.979
Homers: 1.016
In other words, in games against the Phillies, opposing teams have hit a measly 1.6% more home runs in the games at CBP (and scored 2.1% fewer runs), than they have in their own parks.
Another nail in the coffin of the good old bandbox myth.
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Surely it wasn’t the case that he was just being a whiny bitch.
by taco pal on Nov 21, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Huh. I guess I hit the “Publish” button instead of the Preview button by mistake. Now that it’s out there, I’m going to clean it up a bit.
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Oh for pete’s sake. I’m giving you a hard time and I leave out half a sentence.
It’s a bit weak, is what I was going to say.
I believe that is what is commonly known as irony.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I hear the feeling is mutual.
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by schmenkman on Nov 21, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Anyway, irony or no, great post, Schmenk. It’s a bit depressing that this bandboxery continues to dominate the narrative about CBP, but oh well.
even in the brief time I played MLB 2k11 before snapping that piece of crap in half, the commentators constantly referred to CBP as a bandbox.
Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months.
-Oscar Wilde
by VanceinmyPants on Nov 21, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
The commentators themselves are also idiots, I noticed. It’s like listening to Tim McCarver in three voices, one of whom is John Kruk.
by Airedale260 on Nov 22, 2011 8:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
2011: the wettest year ever in Philadelphia (that we know of). And that’s without Pat the Bait.
by Wet Luzinski on Nov 22, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Why would CBP’s park factors get closer to neutral over time? Possible reasons:
- changing the distance or height of the fences; the fences at CBP were changed once when they were moved back after the 2005 season, and that may contribute, along with other things
- the introduction of hitter-friendly parks, so that when home and away stats are compared, they now look more comprarable (the only park introduced recently has been Citi Field, which has been at least as pitcher friendly as Shea)
- changing weather patterns, as WC said, which could mean temperature or wind patterns — I don’t know if that has been the case here, but both of those factors certainly play a part, at least in HR rates
- finally, tailoring the home team to take advantage of (or limit the effect of) a park’s effects. In this case, fly balls allowed by the staff have not changed significantly at CBP — Outfield Fly Balls (i.e. backing out infield popups) were 32.0% in 2004-07, and 31.9% in 2008-11. And in any case, you would have to believe that the Phillies staff is more effective at this at home than on the road, since the park factors compare home and away rates
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Nice work. Rec’d.
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Very interesting article....
I lurk over here some because you guys have a lot of quality content, and of course, it’s good to know what the opposition is up to.:) I am trying really hard to get more into advanced stats and gain a better understanding. While all of this makes sense to me I am left with some questions. Can any of you good folks explain to me how they account for the pitching staffs on each respective team with regards to stats like this? I.E. your Phillies have a great pitching staff with 3 Cy Young candidates. How much does that skew the stats vs. having league average pitchers? Also, given the competition, Huddy, JJ, Hanson, Johnson, Nolasco and the like, how is that accounted for? Thanks for the great info! Any responses will be appreciated!
First, the park factors compare home stats with away stats, so unless you believe the Phillies’ staff, for example, is somehow more effective at home than on the road, their impact is reflected in both the home and away stats.
Secondly, there can still be fluctuations in a given year, which is why park factors are typically analyzed over periods of 3 years or more.
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schmenkman...
That makes sense, thanks! At work most of the sites I would normally check to gain more info are blocked!:( I didn’t realize the time curve for the evaluation. I’m going to have to study this more though, I’m not convinced it is really that great of a stat. However, as someone said earlier, for every strength that a park offers one type of hitter, it has to be the opposite for someone else.
… for every strength that a park offers one type of hitter, it has to be the opposite for someone else.
To clarify, that’s only true for a park (like CBP) that is neutral overall. If it helps lefties, it must hurt righties. If it hurts red heads, it must hurt everyone else, and so on.
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only 3 of Halladays ridiculously low 10 TOTAL HR’s against came at CBP in 2011.
"Sometimes, the balls that fall in are jam shots"...Hunter Pence, on BABIP
LEEROY MOTHERFUCKIN JENKINS
I have been so tired of hearing this. It is a discredit tour our offense in the aughts and our pitching in the now.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
Thanks for the analysis
Thanks for the analysis.

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