SB Nation Cy Young Award: Kershaw, Halladay Tie; Lee Third, Hamels Fifth

by WholeCamels on Nov 9, 2011 1:00 PM EST

If the SB Nation National League Cy Young Award ballot is any indication, there's not a lot of space between the Dodgers' Clayton Kershaw and Phillies' Roy Halladay in 2011. In fact, there's absolutely none. With the BBWAA voting be this close? Probably not.

Kershaw and Halladay finished tied for first with 149 points a piece, with Kershaw claiming 14 first place votes to Halladay's thirteen. Phillies' lefty Cole Hamels claimed the sole remaining first place vote, and finished fifth overall. Cliff Lee finished third, with the Diamondbacks Ian Kennedy coming in fourth.

How did your humble Blog Lords vote?

WholeCamels

1. Roy Halladay

2. Clayton Kershaw

3. Cliff Lee

4. Cole Hamels

5. Ian Kennedy

FuquaManuel

1. Roy Halladay

2. Clayton Kershaw

3. Cliff Lee

4. Cole Hamels

5. Tim Lincecum

Full voting results after the jump...

Num	Name	1st	2nd	3rd	4th	5th	Total
1	Clayton Kershaw	14	11	2	Ê	1	149
1	Roy Halladay	13	13	2	Ê	Ê	149
3	Cliff Lee	Ê	4	21	2	Ê	83
4	Ian Kennedy	Ê	Ê	3	14	6	43
5	Cole Hamels	1	Ê	Ê	7	8	29
6	Madison Bumgarner	Ê	Ê	Ê	2	3	7
7	Tim Lincecum	Ê	Ê	Ê	1	4	6
8	Matt Cain	Ê	Ê	Ê	1	3	5
9	Chris Carpenter	Ê	Ê	Ê	1	Ê	2
10	Johnny Cueto	Ê	Ê	Ê	Ê	1	1
11	Zach Greinke	Ê	Ê	Ê	Ê	1	1
12	Craig Kimbrel	Ê	Ê	Ê	Ê	1	1

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by FuquaManuel on Nov 9, 2011 1:05 PM EST reply actions

so someone had Kershaw fifth

by yolacrary on Nov 9, 2011 1:06 PM EST reply actions

Someone will probably accuse Fuqua or me. But it wasn’t us.

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by WholeCamels on Nov 9, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions

Probably MCC or GLB, they hate them some Dodgers.

by Cormican on Nov 9, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions

Then why not just leave him off the ballot if you’re going to make an obviously biased vote?

by Phrozen on Nov 9, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions

Sending a message. See, I didn’t forget him, I just think he sucks.

by Cormican on Nov 9, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions

I once left a terrible waitress a 7 cent tip, just so she knew I was consciously stiffing her.

by Cormican on Nov 9, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions

That’s crazy awesome.

My brother once tried to deduct a tip on the credit card slip. They rang it up as zero tip, unfortunately.

by Phrozen on Nov 9, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions

Do you mean actually take it off? Like this

Total: $40.00
Tip: -$10.00
Total: $30.00

Ballsy.

by Cormican on Nov 10, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions

Yeah. It didn’t work, though. It was rang up as $40, and he didn’t argue.

by Phrozen on Nov 10, 2011 12:05 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions

While that is kinda funny, I hope she truly was an awful waitress. If she had and busboys, food runners or bartenders to to tip out then a $0 tip already assured that she would be losing money. Not to mention any possible fees for using the restaurant’s credit card machines or the $2.83/hr that probably won’t even cover the deducted taxes.

by FanSince1993 on Nov 10, 2011 3:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Well I wasn’t there, but he assures me it was horrid.

by Phrozen on Nov 10, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions

Fair enough, I’ve left poor tips myself. My only point is that what is just a number on the line above your signature to many people is being spread out among 5+ people and even poor service deserves compensation for the waiter/waitress to atleast break even. Side note: Hamels poor tipper, Mayberry, Utley, Pence, Rollins have good reps.

by FanSince1993 on Nov 10, 2011 5:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Allen Iverson was reputed to be a bad tipper.

by taco pal on Nov 10, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions

Heard Sam Dalembert once gave a pizza guy $20 and invited him in to watch a game.

by FanSince1993 on Nov 10, 2011 7:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Yeah, everything I’ve heard about Dalembert suggests he’s a real mensch.

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by FuquaManuel on Nov 10, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions

I can totally imagine him doing that and it’s cracking me up. In my mind’s eye I see Sammy jumping up from the couch after a big play and giving the pizza guy a high five.

by taco pal on Nov 10, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions

If Sammy’s jumping and giving a high five you must be picturing one tall pizza guy.

by FanSince1993 on Nov 11, 2011 12:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

it was

Gas Lamp Ball….and the cowards didn’t even post any of the SBN awards, so he didn;t have to justify his 5th place vote.

He also gave Kemp a 5th place vote for NL MVP.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 10, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions

I’ll bet Kershaw and Kemp are outraged about it.

by taco pal on Nov 10, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

On the one hand...

These things are ultimately meaningless, but on the other hand, I was pretty up-front on the All SBN Baseball Blog Lord email chain to the effect that we should “rebrand” this as a real Award (i.e., don’t call it “Cy Young” and “MVP” because that’s the BBWAA’s thing, that we should make our own awards, etc.).

But casting stupid, petty votes like that just trashes any credibility we might have hoped to earn.

Well done.

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by WholeCamels on Nov 10, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions

No offense meant to Talking Chop, but I’ve long considered Gaslamp the worst of the SBN blogs. They’re a petty lot.

by Cormican on Nov 10, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions

The Werth stuff they used to run was seriously puerile. Some of the people over there are just bad people.

by taco pal on Nov 10, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions

Even Sickels’ site (not John himself, but several regular posters) are ragging on GLB. Turns out GLB is also Hamels’ sole 1st place vote (from San Diego).

by Cormican on Nov 10, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions

I’m guessing they did that as a possible means of mitigating the possible benefit to Halladay? I dunno.

Again, it ultimately means very little but it does make the whole process look kinda boobish.

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by WholeCamels on Nov 10, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions

GLB ballot was supposedly

Hamels
Lee
Halladay
Kennedy
Kershaw

I mean the temperature is 70, every frickin day, I guess they just need to invent other crap to complain about.

by Cormican on Nov 10, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions

They can complain about all the old people driving cars.

by taco pal on Nov 10, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions

That’s just stupid. I mean, I appreciate that they threw Hamels a bone instead of, say, Kennedy, but it just monkeys up the whole system.

I wonder if they were just screwing off, or if their bias is such that they cannot see Hamels as a legitimate CY contender.

by Phrozen on Nov 10, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions

…cannot see Kershaw…

by Phrozen on Nov 10, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions

Their response to the criticism: link
Sadly, it explains a lot.

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by schmenkman on Nov 11, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions

Hack.

by Cormican on Nov 11, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions

Though I appreciate this nugget:

We are… admittedly incompetent…

by Cormican on Nov 11, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions

That’s a great idea! Seriously!

by Phrozen on Nov 10, 2011 12:07 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions

Meant to reply to WC’s post with that.

by Phrozen on Nov 10, 2011 12:08 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions

Oh. I did.

The iPhone app is great and all, but a little confusing sometimes.

by Phrozen on Nov 10, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions

haha

by Cormican on Nov 10, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions

Thanks. Yeah, I mean, if we’re going to be a major, legitimate media outlet, why not create our own Award system instead of aping what the BBWAA does? But I’m in the minority on that front unfortunately.

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by WholeCamels on Nov 10, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions

’Tis a shame.

How is SBN structured? Is there like a “Congress of Blog Lords” or whathaveyou? Or is there more of an autocratic central figure/group?

by Phrozen on Nov 10, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions

You were not aware that this is Union of Soviet SBN Republics? Obviously, it is run by Supreme Soviet.

Bob.

by The Dark on Nov 11, 2011 12:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Yeah, what a fucking asshole!

/person who gave Raul Ibanez an 8th place vote for MVP’d

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by FuquaManuel on Nov 10, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions

You were amazingly the only person who did so!!

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by WholeCamels on Nov 10, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions

Interesting that no one had Lee first. Which, is likely what would need to happen for Halladay to win.

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by Joecatz on Nov 9, 2011 1:24 PM EST reply actions

Who voted for Hamels?

by Phrozen on Nov 9, 2011 1:32 PM EST reply actions

FanSince09?

by philsandthrills on Nov 9, 2011 1:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

No he voted for JA Happ.

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by WholeCamels on Nov 9, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions

Love Hamels, but I don’t know what criteria you’d have to go by to put him at first.

by esentman on Nov 9, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions

Hottest wife?

by Phrozen on Nov 9, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions

Tied for the lowest WHIP? Uhhh… not much else.

by philsandthrills on Nov 9, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions

Someone from Gaslamp Ball voted Kershaw #5, hmmm.

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by Xeifrank on Nov 9, 2011 1:42 PM EST reply actions

YES

and didn’t post his reasoning

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 10, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions

Cueto got a vote? He was okay this season, but an award vote seems a wee bit optimistic.

by Cormican on Nov 9, 2011 1:46 PM EST reply actions

That vote must have been solely based on his 2.31 ERA. 156IP, 3.45FIP, 4.3 rWAR (9th in the NL), 2.8 fWAR (somethingth in the NL).

by JorgeSantos on Nov 9, 2011 2:50 PM EST reply actions

Cueto that is

by JorgeSantos on Nov 9, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions

In something like 150 innings.

by Cormican on Nov 9, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions

Something like

156IP

;)

Seriously, this got me thinking about whether starters are pitching fewer innings than they used to and whether they might even have to lower the 162 IP qualifying minimum in the not too distant future.

But in fact 2011 saw the most qualifiers in the NL since 1999. The long-term trend is certainly towards fewer pitchers qualifying (per team), and it will be interesting to see if the trend is leveling out or whether (more likely, I think) 2011 was a bit of an outlier.

NL pitchers with 162+ IP:

1950 – 31, 3.9 (8 teams)
1960 – 29, 3.6
1970 – 44, 3.7 (12 teams)
1980 – 39, 3.3

1990 – 36, 3.0 per team
1991 – 36, 3.0
1992 – 38, 3.2
1993 – 40, 2.9 (14 teams)
1994 – 41, 2.9
1995 – 37, 2.6
1996 – 43, 3.1
1997 – 40, 2.9
1998 – 51, 3.2 (16 teams)
1999 – 50, 3.1
2000 – 46, 2.9
2001 – 44, 2.8
2002 – 44, 2.8
2003 – 49, 3.1
2004 – 46, 2.9
2005 – 49, 3.1
2006 – 41, 2.6
2007 – 43, 2.7
2008 – 45, 2.8
2009 – 45, 2.8
2010 – 45, 2.8
2011 – 50, 3.1