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A weak effort from the Phillies "compromised" lineup, and a series of weak broken bat hits from the Braves, with a Dan Uggla home run (seriously) in the bottom of the eighth as the capper, and the Braves defeated the Phillies 3-2 in the series finale today in Atlanta, taking the series.  The teams will not square off again until the second weekend in July.

The Braves scored their first run in the fourth inning after two broken bat bloop singles to center, first from Dan Uggla leading off the inning, and then by Eric Hinske, advancing Uggla to third.  Uggla would score on a one out RBI single from Freddie Freeman, but Roy Halladay was able to induce pop-ups from Brooks Conrad and Tim Hudson to end the threat.

The Phillies got on the board in the top of the sixth on a two run homer from John Mayberry, the only member of the Phillies offense who actually decided to show up today.  Mayberry would finish the day with two walks and the home run, with the Phillies totaling just four hits in the game.

The Braves sixth inning was eerily similar to the fourth, with Dan Uggla reaching base on a leadoff walk, and advancing to third on another single from Hinske.  Freeman would drive Uggla in yet again, this time on a sacrifice fly.  And so, the game was tied at two runs apiece.

The Braves would take the lead in the bottom of the eighth on a solo home run from Dan Uggla, on a grooved 3-2 fastball from Halladay.  Halladay would finish the day with eight hits allowed in eight innings, three earned runs, eight strikeouts and two walks.  The home run by Uggla was the only extra base hit he allowed.  In fact, the home runs by Uggla and Mayberry were the only extra base hits in the game.

Today also marked the second straight complete game loss for Halladay, who threw 119 pitches, and also the second straight game in which he failed to hold a lead.

The Phillies travel to St. Louis for a quick two-gamer against the Cardinals on Monday and Tuesday. Cliff Lee pitches tomorrow.

Behold the poopy game graph.

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via www.fangraphs.com


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I think the only thing that could have made this game more excruciatingly unbearable would have been if Halladay had gotten that bunt down, Ruiz had scored, and we were forced to watch a 14 or 15 inning loss that we could inevitably blame on the bullpen.

by Joecatz on May 15, 2011 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

“Pre-Determined Outcome” considerations aside

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on May 15, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least J-Berry was pretty impressive.

by philsandthrills on May 15, 2011 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m slowly but surely coming around. It wouldn’t be unprecedented for a 27 year old of his gifts/brains to put it together for a season or two.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on May 15, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the very least, he’s shown good patience and power. Those things are hard to fake.

by philsandthrills on May 15, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coming into today, his walk rate was over 14%; for his career it was around 8%. We’re dealing with very small samples here of course. There’s also probably a little bit of pitchers not wanting to let Mayberry beat them, choosing to pitch to the Valdezes and Orrs of the world instead.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on May 15, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It did seem like Mayberry was getting pitched around a bit by Hudson. But there were quite a few tough pitches to hold up on, and he did. Obviously, it’s a SSS, but he definitely deserves more playing time at this point.

by philsandthrills on May 15, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

So does Gload, but Manuel, some of which is excusable with all the DLin’ and the quality of the bench, seems content to grind his aging regulars into the ground.

by j reed on May 15, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

See below

Granted, I added todays numbers in, but the SSS numbers are in line with my theory on that, which is that he’s trying to be more selective against RHP than he ever has. In the same SS of AB’s he has double the walks and double the K’s. He’s not going after the first pitch against righties the way he will against lefties.

by Joecatz on May 15, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

GRANTED VERY SSS

Mayberry’s splits after todays game:

2011 vs. RHP (27 PA) .285 .423 .428 .851 with 6BB 7K, 3 RBI
2011 vs. LHP (26 PA) .304 .384 .565 .949 with 3BB and 4K

Granted, the HR and two walks helped his OBP and SLG immensly, but if the rub on him in the past has been his inability to hit RHP, he is slowly making a case (and I think Charlie is slowly giving him the opportunity to MAKE IT) that he is turning the corner…

by Joecatz on May 15, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Manuel on Mayberry...

“He played good today. He stole a bag. He hit a homer. Made a helluva catch in RF. I’ve always had in my mind to get him some playing time. The better he does, the more playing time he’ll get. That’s what happened with Werth and Howard and Victorino. That’s how they became regulars for us. You play good enough, you can win a job. You can move ANYBODY.”

Vic’s out for two more games, Be interesting to see if he gives J-berry the start against Westbrook tonight in center, two games against a RHP in a row…. He’s surely gonna get it tomorrow against Garcia…

by Joecatz on May 16, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well at least Vic being out for two games means we won’t have to see him swing at the first pitch after (insert player) is walked on 4 pitches in the previous at bat.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on May 16, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or this line tomorrow . 400 .462 .857 1.319 Good thing he’s hurt.

by Joecatz on May 16, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure I never said that I was glad he is hurt.

Nor do I have any clue where that line came from.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on May 16, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s Victorino’s line against LHP this season. Wasn’t inferring you were glad he’s hurt. Was being sarcastic.

by Joecatz on May 16, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

My apologies.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on May 16, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

J-Roll with a solid 0-5 day seeing a grand total of 16 pitches.

Even Halladay manged to see 11 pitches in 3 AB’s.

J-Roll has to do better at the lead off spot.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on May 15, 2011 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s had a really bad week.

by philsandthrills on May 15, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thus why I have been screaming for a day off for him.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on May 15, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to do with Utley not back.

by philsandthrills on May 15, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The question I have is would Manuel do it if Utley was back. Which raises another concern, how will he handle Utley?

by j reed on May 15, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Answers: rarely, and poorly

by philsandthrills on May 15, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

They said today that they have a plan for utley, and hinted that If he could go 9 innings two days straight and needed an off day as long as his swing was where he felt it needed to be he might as well do that in Philly.

So expect him to come up sooner than later, but need some days off.

by Joecatz on May 15, 2011 5:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don’t really think it should matter. Howard hasn’t had a day off yet either. J-Roll has had injury issues the last few years, a day off can’t hurt. He isn’t a kid anymore.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on May 15, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Howard and Rollins are very different cases due to the wear and tear of their defensive jobs- shortstop is a lot more demanding and thus needs more frequent days off.

by dannijd on May 15, 2011 10:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Pretty lucky win

I still think the Phils will have the division in the bag with a couple weeks left to play. The phillies will only get better.

You only think were front runners because our team is winning.

by andyb on May 15, 2011 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

:)

In baseball, you're supposed to sit on your ass, spit tobacco, and nod at stupid things. Perfect life might I add.

by HeywardFTW! on May 15, 2011 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

3rd place

You only think were front runners because our team is winning.

by andyb on May 15, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Enjoy beating a team starting Pete Orr and Michael Martinez instead of Utley and Victorino.

by philsandthrills on May 15, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Enjoy losing to a team starting Conrad and Hinske instead of Jones and Heyward.

In baseball, you're supposed to sit on your ass, spit tobacco, and nod at stupid things. Perfect life might I add.

by HeywardFTW! on May 15, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like you’ve enjoyed losing 5 more times than we have this year.

by Nikk.m on May 15, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like you have enjoyed us winning the series thus far.

In baseball, you're supposed to sit on your ass, spit tobacco, and nod at stupid things. Perfect life might I add.

by HeywardFTW! on May 15, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

And yet, your team is still looking up at ours. Now go away.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on May 15, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well sure, if you get 5 hits off of broken bats, you tend to win games.

by philsandthrills on May 15, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congratulations to all your fan.

"There is no dark side in the moon, really. Matter of fact it's all dark."

by alcatraz0109 on May 15, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

What’s up Sweetie?

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on May 15, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at what you started.

Don’t do this again, please.

I'm a former CTU agent, so don't f--k with me!

by TonyAlmeyda on May 15, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

quit being an idiot

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on May 16, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank goodness you’re here to help us run our blog.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on May 16, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I realize...

what you are conveying to me (in, dare I say, a passive-aggressive way? – just joking, btw), and I apologize, but it really bothers me to see Braves “fans” do stupid stuff like this. I also think it’s really dumb for TC moderators to tell us we “aren’t allowed” to post here. I should probably chastise this guy over there, but it seems guys like this post (stupid things like this) more on other blogs than “at home”. Sorry again.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on May 17, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

When was the last time a pitcher lost two consecutive complete games? Because that doesn’t happen very often. Also, this was the first time Halladay took a loss against the Braves. This was a great and very entertaining series. And it’s only May…

by Braves24 on May 15, 2011 5:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously, Braves trolls?
I mean, really?

by philsandthrills on May 15, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

They cant help themselves but gloat a little. I mean they are only 5 games out in the L column now.

by Nikk.m on May 15, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes since

I’m definitely gloating.

by Braves24 on May 15, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

trolls? wow...

Did I say something or do you have your panties in a bunch?

by Braves24 on May 15, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

It has nothing to do with your comment. Just the fact that you’re posting here after a Braves series win.

by philsandthrills on May 15, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe you need to read this again.

There’s no need for any TCer to come over here to stir things up.

I’m glad the Braves won, too, but don’t come over here to gloat about it. It makes everyone at TC look bad.

I'm a former CTU agent, so don't f--k with me!

by TonyAlmeyda on May 15, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry but

I haven’t gloated at all and you do realize that post created a ton of controversy?

by Braves24 on May 15, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Respectfully, can you please keep your debates about the internal policies of the Reich inside of the Reich?

by FuquaManuel on May 15, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, since you asked nicely…

I'm a former CTU agent, so don't f--k with me!

by TonyAlmeyda on May 15, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

CAN’T YOU SEE?! IT’S TEARING US APART!!!!!!!

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on May 15, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

This was a great and very entertaining series.

It wasn’t that.

by FuquaManuel on May 15, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could you please explain then?

by Braves24 on May 15, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, let’s see. Injuries to both teams. The non-strike call on Victorino. Charlie Manuel and Fredi Gonzalez competing for the worst game manager award. Kyle Kendrick’s fielding. Uggla magically becoming a gold-glover. Martin Prado’s catch. Should I go on?

by philsandthrills on May 15, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

but the Braves WON! that makes it the most fantastic series ever!

I came, I saw, I conquered

by Veni Vidi Vici on May 15, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sorry, who are you?

/sarchasm’d

Time is not made of lines. It is made of circles. That is why clocks are round.
-Michael J Caboose

by TheOrangeCone on May 15, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s quite simple really:

A. Objectively, it wasn’t a very good series because there were a number of bad calls, some very bad managing, an absurd amount of dumb luck, etc.

B. Generally speaking, the losing side in any competition or conflict doesn’t like being told by a representative or fan of the winning side immediately after they have lost said competition or conflict how so very “great and entertaining” the competition or conflict was.

by FuquaManuel on May 15, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

It’s like losing taking a bad beat after going all-in in poker and as the winner drags the pot he reaches out his hand and says “good hand”.

Good hand for HIM (or her) maybe.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on May 15, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

I’m a poker junkie and that’s one of my biggest pet peeves. That and people not knowing the difference between “slow rolling” and “slow playing”.

/nerd

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on May 15, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know whether to answer that or not…

by Governator on May 15, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Slow rolling

Is where you let the other guy think he won the pot and then you belatedly roll your cards over to reveal the winning hand. It’s very douchy.

by hunterfan on May 15, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

It’s extra-douchey when they then say “good hand”.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on May 16, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I used to play a bit. That always pissed me off to no end.

Lucky bastard: “Hey, great hand!”

Me: “Hey, how about I put my hand through your face?”

by FuquaManuel on May 15, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The best though is the NHL post season where players are forced to line-up like little kids to do the “good game” crap at the end of series….yeah right, in a sport that allows fighting and has alot of players with notable impulse control problems, you really think the losers don’t want to punch the winners’ fucking faces in.

by j reed on May 15, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was on a team where a kid on our team punched a guy in the face during the hand shake line…dude totally deserved it but it turned into a brawl. It was pretty amazing.

The guy who threw the punch was kicked out of the league.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on May 15, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

For real. “Sportsmanship” is fucking stupid. I prefer emotional honesty.

by FuquaManuel on May 15, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

 Yeah, the Tanner Boyle Sportsmanship Method was ingrained in me by my grandfather who was infamous for throwing checker boards across the room.

by j reed on May 15, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was actually very surprised the first time I saw that- with the amount of fighting in hockey, one would expect the combatants to be kept apart.

by dannijd on May 15, 2011 10:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He’s being CLASSY, FM. Like you’d know what that means!

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on May 15, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously. It’s what I like to call the “passive-aggressive gloat”. You come over trying to seem humble and you talk about how great and entertaining the series was as a subtle way of smearing the other side’s face in the shit.

by FuquaManuel on May 15, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’d think these Southerners wouldn’t be so willing to pick a fight with the northerners. It hasn’t worked out too well for them any time they’ve tried it.

I came, I saw, I conquered

by Veni Vidi Vici on May 15, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, you’re referring to a historical event that happened 150 years ago. None of us were even close to being alive then. You say “we won” as if you fought for the Union and I fought for the Confederacy or something. Um, no. All of my family members lived in Union Territory in that era. Hell, the region that I live in NOW had a majority of Union sympathizers.

/rant

"I'll give any teller who gives me a lollipop 4 stars."-Chip Kelly

by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on May 15, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honey. Chill. We joke here. A lot.

by FuquaManuel on May 15, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s kinda like how people over at Talking Chop make sweeping generalizations about Phillies fans.

Except when we do it, it’s usually intelligent and funny and we don’t actually believe what we are saying. Although I will say that a higher proportion of people who live in the south are sympathetic to the confederacy than are phillies fans violent, uncouth animals (as many TCers seem to believe).

by FuquaManuel on May 15, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just about anyone who has relatives who fought for the Confederates in the Civil War has some vested interest in showing that the war was about States’ Rights or a justifiable reaction to an attack by the North. Given that, it doesn’t mean that the descendants are racists, more apologists for a system that was built on slavery. I think it’s going to take quite a few more generations before the pro- and anti-Confederacy camps die out. Until then, I hope we can see those who are in the pro- camp as simply being human when challenged about their ancestors’ actions.

by phillyinportland on May 15, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was joking. Relax. I do not personally think I “won” anymore than you personally “lost.” Unfortunately, I’m not Wolverine.

by FearTheTurtIe on May 15, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I too late for the civil war jokes?

How did your ancestors feels when sherman shoved his proverbial fist up your ass?

inter arma enim silent leges

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on May 16, 2011 8:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

To answer your question beyond “I was just joking” (and I was), studying the Civil War is something of a pasttime for me. This goes beyond just taking classes on the topic but I’ve visited quite a few sites, read some books, contributed to some academic journal articles on the topic, etc. All of it has lead me to make one conclusion: It’s definitely a good thing that the South came out on the losing end of that one. Just like it was a good thing that the south came out on the losing end of the 1948 “Dixiecrat” movement, the Civil Rights vs. Segregation debate, etc. etc. etc.

I came, I saw, I conquered

by Veni Vidi Vici on May 15, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you mean

that the slavery issue outweighed the states’ rights/self-determination aspects, or that you actually believe it’s a good thing that the states’ rights/self-determination aspect was trampled?

by hunterfan on May 15, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The “states’ rights/self-determination aspects” and slavery were inextricably linked.

by FuquaManuel on May 15, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well considering that the “State’s right” in question was whether or not to allow slavery, I’d say it’s a good thing they were trampled.

by Phrozen on May 16, 2011 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Irony: you champion state rights, yet the confederacy was the first to institute conscription. More irony, the inability of davis to levy taxes for the war severely hindered their buying power.

The south had a small window to succeed, and even then a lot of things had to fall in place, with luck completely on the south’s side.

The state’s rights argument is weak. Call it what it is: the south just wanted slaves, and hid behind the politically correct constitutional issue

inter arma enim silent leges

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on May 16, 2011 8:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think it’s arguable that the South did not, ultimately, lose the Dixiecrat moment. The abandonment of the white working class to the Republicans, effected in part through the latter’s adoption of the Southern Strategy, as proven disastrous. The Democratic Party has revealed itself as no kind of ally for positive change, while the Republicans emerged as the party of straight up obfuscation and crackerization. Left politics more broadly has been heavily affected by this process, though YMMV on whether this is a good thing or not. The extent to which the white working class recognizes, as it once did, common cause and interests with black workers and immigrant workers, is the extent to which healthy forward movement is possible.

If you consider the kind of nonsense that passes for political discussion and process in this country, it strikes me as a direct outgrowth of, a post-modern manifestation of, this kind of ahistorical non-critical non-thinking characterized by the Dixiecrat movement.

by yolacrary on May 16, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s really a shame when the guys on the field are more classy than their fan base is. I’ve got nothing against the Braves themselves, pretty good group of ballplayers with few exceptions, but I despise the fanbase so much I wouldn’t mind if they knocked us around at CBP as long as they get pounded at home.

by Sisko on May 15, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please refrain from using “classy” here unless you mean it ironically.

It’s one of the few rules we have here.

by FuquaManuel on May 15, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, this series pretty much all around sucked. Even the game the Phillies won wasn’t exactly fun to watch.

I came, I saw, I conquered

by Veni Vidi Vici on May 15, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

ANd the Braves outscored the Phillies by two whole runs. It sucked to lose two games, but it’s not like the Phillies got throttled.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on May 15, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome to the next 10 days, I think. I’m seeing 8 games decided by 1 run and two high scoring affairs.

by Joecatz on May 15, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is everyone jumping on this guy? He’s not a troll. Even if he is gloating (which I don’t think he is) does it really matter? They won, let him gloat. It’s not like he’s making tons blatant troll posts.

by chase8008 on May 15, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

*tons OF blatant troll posts

by chase8008 on May 15, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cosart

Three perfect innings, 4 K’s so far.

by philsandthrills on May 15, 2011 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Perfect through 4. Still 4K’s.

by philsandthrills on May 15, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is definitely not a good day to be married to a Braves fan…

by The Fish on May 15, 2011 5:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

You have our sympathies. Just remind your spouse of the never-ending agony of seeing the Braves win all those years from 1991-2005. There’s a long way to go before things even out.

by phillyinportland on May 15, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s why I have no sympathy for them.

by j reed on May 15, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was working graduations all day, so I missed the game… I saw the Phils losing 1-0 and then the next time I checked it was 2-2. I think I’m glad that I missed this though…

by JLS89 on May 15, 2011 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

excellente!!

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on May 15, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s also doing it against the best offense in the FSL.

by philsandthrills on May 15, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Non-prospect

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on May 15, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

OR he’s ready to join the lineup, he’d fit right in with a line like that.

I came, I saw, I conquered

by Veni Vidi Vici on May 15, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cosart struck out the side in the 6th.

by Nikk.m on May 15, 2011 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Anybody else seeing the correlationto halladay getting two complete game 1 run losses in a row by givin up the go ahead run in the 8th inning when he was at or near 100 pitches after 7? He looked tired in the 6th both games…

by Joecatz on May 15, 2011 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

If it was any normal pitcher they’d have 2 NDs, since he wouldnt even pitch in the 8th.

by Nikk.m on May 15, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really talking about w or l. More talking about actually letting him go in the 8th both times. Granted, he’s probably a better option than the pen, but it’s backfired twice and it’s a long season.

by Joecatz on May 15, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

was madson unavailable?

by j reed on May 15, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the 8th ??

I’m talking about the 8th.

by Joecatz on May 15, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was the highest leverage moment of the game IMO. If they go up we have 3 outs left with the bottom of the order to tie or take the lead.

by j reed on May 15, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would’ve been true of any inning past the 8th too.

by philsandthrills on May 15, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thing is, it is not just these two games- his final innings in complete (or near complete in the case of the Padres game) have not looked good this season- none have been clean, and in only one of them (against the Mets at the beginning of this month) was no runs scored. In the end, it is not just the backfires that are troubling- it is how close the games in Washington and San Diego came to backfiring, added to those that makes me wonder if Halladay is a better option than the ’pen at this point.

by dannijd on May 15, 2011 10:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It was inevitable.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on May 15, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the offense had been alive, there would have been every chance of getting the team/Halladay W in the bottom of the ninth. But, yeah, I’d like to see Dubee/Manuel grab Halladay by the ear and drag him off the mound more frequently this year. He wasn’t looking particularly sharp down the home stretch in 2010.

by Sisko on May 15, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

that no hitter against one of the best offense in the nl in the playoffs last year sure was did not look sharp at all.

by PhilsForever on May 16, 2011 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot

You’re right – he did get awfully lucky that day, didn’t he?

by phillyinportland on May 16, 2011 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or

He was just good and really did not decline as much as you are insinuating in your post. I tend to go with my theory. Halladay has gone eight his last two starts simply because they are close games and Manuel has no setup guy. Madson is the closer and in a close game Manuel trusts Halladay more than any other reliever late in the game. Can’t really blame him. Also, he is getting very unlucky.

by PhilsForever on May 16, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really.

His velocity was down in the 8th inning both games, and he did not have the control in either game that is his trademark.

Uglla hit that homerun last night because he saw him three other times in the game, and he had his timing down, and Halladay got behind in the count with two two-seam fastballs. Uggla fouled off a cutter, fouled off another 2 seamer, looked at a 4 seamer for ball 3 (about 3 MPH slower than it should have been), and took the next pitch, another 4 seamer, out of the park. That’s not luck. it’s a good AB.

Not sure how the 8th against the Marlins was luck either, maybe on Rollins error, but Halladay still threw the wild pitch to put the runner on second, and threw a bad pitch to Coughlin after also going 2-0 behind the count, same with Ramirez BS single that inning.

by Joecatz on May 16, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

The difference between September 2010 and the no-hitter was there. I think the rest he got after clinching the division made some of the difference when it came to his much sharper performance during the no-hitter.

Of course, it is Halladay, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it was sheer force of will.

by Sisko on May 16, 2011 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I were the Manuel, I'd have a napalm death heart-to-heart with the team

Though I’d change a few words in the chorus….
Your weak bats
Your weak bats
  weak bats (9x)
They’ve got you where they want you.
Are you the next ground out
Are you the next ground out
Are you the next ground out
 ground out (5x)

by j reed on May 15, 2011 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

The only thing more disgraceful than the way the Phils lost...

… was the Tomahawk Chop during frigging CIVIL RIGHTS WEEKEND!! What a disgraceful display.

by Sisko on May 15, 2011 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah that was awful. I wonder what would happen if they had a “Native American Heritage Weekend” then do the tomahawk chop. Because you know, according to the Braves and their fans, there is noting racist about the tomahawk chop.

I came, I saw, I conquered

by Veni Vidi Vici on May 15, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t see the game past the 4th inning (thankfully it sounds like), but for all the talk above about whether Halladay should’ve been out there for the 8th, etc, was he actually laboring at the end there?

by yolacrary on May 15, 2011 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Definitely. Someone should have tied him up and escorted him into the clubhouse after the seventh. It’s a long season and last year was his first year playing meaningful games in September.

by Sisko on May 15, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he looked done after 6.

by Joecatz on May 16, 2011 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was it just me or did anyone else notice they were bats not normally used by uggla or hinske. Thewy were break away bats. My neighbor gets the Atlanta feeds and says that happens a lot for them. Half way through the game they change bats that break away. this is preety crazy thinking but you never know. If Ugglas didn’t get the win I wouldn’t be so pissed. They are lucky. Watch they lose the next 10 at of 15.

I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.

by Christopher A on May 15, 2011 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I am fascinated by this post.

I’m trying to understand why you think they would want their bats to break.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on May 16, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those were Nick Swisher Yankee Bats™ full of clutch, mystique, and aura. Each one that broke scattered pixie dust on Dan Uggla and the UNHITTABLE Braves BP. I watched (most of) the game, and there can be no other explanation.

"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)

by bandwagonesque on May 16, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

So are you saying the Braves are racist? Is it the Braves fans fault that they don’t have an African American player?

by chase8008 on May 15, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah this is kind of a stretch.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on May 15, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

This post is kind of weak. I take more issue with all those fans (black, white, other) doing the Chop.

by Sisko on May 15, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agree- who plays should be about talent, not skin color, but the Tomajawk Chop is disgusting and offensive.

by dannijd on May 15, 2011 10:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh dear.

You appear to be on a roll.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on May 16, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Somewhere in the suburbs of Philly, a little league team won a game on an inside the park grand slam. And that, my friends, was the only thing keeping this weekend from being a complete suckfest (for me). But the glass half full meter still says they only gained a game. And the cavalry is coming, right?

"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)

by bandwagonesque on May 15, 2011 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes indeed, big Utz is on his way

by Nikk.m on May 15, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The cavalry is coming

Just as long as the rest of the cavalry doesn’t leave before it arrives.

by Governator on May 15, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cute.

I just worked 10 hours and have only eaten a biscuit all day- I got done with work to find tha the Phillies had a stinkfest of their own today.

Highlight of the weekend- Pit tickets to see Sigarland Saturday Night. They have to be one of the best things to come out of Atlanta in the last decade.

by dannijd on May 15, 2011 10:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sugarland

by dannijd on May 15, 2011 10:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Was it a ricochet biscuit?

"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)

by bandwagonesque on May 15, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

A wish sandwich is a two pieces of bread with Valdez, Orr and Martinez for meat.

by j reed on May 15, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

spam, scrapple and tofu

by j reed on May 15, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, the near-meats. Calories without the satisfaction.

"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)

by bandwagonesque on May 15, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, no- Buttermilk with a little bit of strawberry jam stuck in the middle so that I would not keel over in the midst of cleaning the kitchen at the restaurant.

by dannijd on May 16, 2011 1:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Unfortunately? You don’t seem to understand the concept of a ricochet biscuit.

‘Cause if it don’t bounce back… you will go hungry!

by Phrozen on May 16, 2011 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

It would have been more interesting than what I ate (plus if it put a scare in a few of the ding dongs around me, it may have been an improvement even without my getting anything to eat)!

by dannijd on May 16, 2011 7:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Tomahawk Chop...

It’s annoying, and I mute the TV whenever it’s on.

But didn’t they have some kind of study/poll of Native Americans a few years ago who said they weren’t offended and didn’t mind it? Or am I thinking of something else?

by hunterfan on May 15, 2011 10:41 PM EDT reply actions  

For me, it’s a constant reminder of the fact that Native American culture was absolutely decimated and very little has been done to make up for it. The Native Americans are still paying dearly today. Could some of them be making more of it than they are? Sure, but with a lot of formerly subjugated cultures and races being given more and more chances than they are, it bothers me. And I’m not even a Native American.

by Sisko on May 15, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tea leaves / injury update

Per David Hale. looks like Utley will take a bit longer than expected, but still by end of May not a stretch.

Victorino will be back Wednesday looks like.

Contreras will also be back end this week or next.

Schneider may need a month, may be back with Lidge, assuming all goes well.

But what is this strained thumb not showing improvement with Dom Brown? CHINA DOLL

by Wet Luzinski on May 15, 2011 11:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ve heard conflicting news about Dom. Meech basically said he had a source that talked to Dom and that Dom didn’t know where the 5-7 day injury report was coming from.

by philsandthrills on May 15, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see...life in suspension...

"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)

by bandwagonesque on May 15, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont see anything in that article suggesting Utley will take “longer than expected”

by Nikk.m on May 15, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

But with the extended injury curse, I feel safe in assuming the worse.

by j reed on May 15, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT

Oh the whining over the Yankees from the broadcast both…I wanna puke.

by j reed on May 15, 2011 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

not a fan of either team. too bad they cant both lose. I’m rooting for the underdog Rays in that division

by Nikk.m on May 15, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m rooting for the Orioles.

by j reed on May 15, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m rooting for Jose Bautista.

by philsandthrills on May 15, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m rooting for this comment.

by FuquaManuel on May 15, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t anybody feel bad for Jorge Posada and Derek Jeter? I guess not.

by phillyinportland on May 16, 2011 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Considering they both suck now and are making 8 figures per, I don’t feel bad for them one bit.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on May 16, 2011 6:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

A little for Posada… Kind of sad to watch his play fall completely off the table.

by dannijd on May 16, 2011 12:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Seriously. Go Blue Jays and Orioles.

And as much as I hate Wahoo and teams that demean Native Americans, I have to admit the Indians are a fun team to watch.

Oh, I don't know. I think the GM should sign that free agent velociraptor to fortify the bench. He's a playoff veteran who still shows a lot of hustle.

by LeepinLizardz on May 16, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

So

how did cosart end up doing?

by PhilsForever on May 16, 2011 2:06 AM EDT reply actions  

He’s been pitching well lately overall. Curious to see what Colvin does now that he’s activated.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on May 16, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Summing up

I finished up a two-week vacation and have to go back to work tomorrow. When I left for home on Friday April 28th the team’s record was 16-8. Today, despite two straight losses they are 25-14. So, 9-6 during a period when they haven’t played well at all by most measures, isn’t that bad. Despite the frustrations, I like this team.

by phillyinportland on May 16, 2011 3:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Charlie on the Offense after the game:

“We’re gonna find some hitting. We’ll get SOMEBODY. We’ll find people. We’ll GAWDAMN LOOK until we find SOMEBODY. Seriously. That is how I look at it. We’ll keep experimenting until we get people.”

by Joecatz on May 16, 2011 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

I hope the “experimenting” includes more of a SOMEBODY named Mayberry.

Oh, I don't know. I think the GM should sign that free agent velociraptor to fortify the bench. He's a playoff veteran who still shows a lot of hustle.

by LeepinLizardz on May 16, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would you settle for somebody named Utley and maybe somebody named Brown?

More seriously, I do agree with you on Mayberry- I don’t know how his fielding compares with Francisco (with listening to a lot of games/ “watching” via play by play the biggest thing that gets lost is whether a “hit” was well hit or poorly fielded), but if the fielding is not a huge drop off, it may make sense to give him some more opportunities.

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