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Between Suck and Salvation Lies... Mayberry

With the increasingly epic offensive struggles of Raul Ibanez raising concerns that the phrase "almost 39 years old" might better explain his performance than "notoriously streaky," Phillies fans—and, no doubt, the guys who are paid to be emotionally over-invested in the team—are looking for alternatives. The one closest at hand, who’s already begun to eat into Ibanez’s playing time, is 27 year-old righty-hitting outfielder John Mayberry.  It hasn’t hurt that Mayberry immediately justified the decision to put him on an Opening Day roster for the first time in his career with a walk-off hit to win the season’s first game, nor that he’s put up overall numbers of .313/.405/.469 through the first 27 games.

As a physical specimen and former first round pick whose career hasn’t taken off as quickly as many had hoped, Mayberry has drawn comparisons to the former Phillie journeyman-turned-star Jayson Werth. But major differences overshadow those surface similarities: above all, Werth always had a strong grasp of the strike zone, drawing walks in 12.7 percent of his minor-league plate appearances, and injuries were by far his biggest problem. Mayberry enjoyed good health, but couldn't approach Werth's patience, walking in about 8.4 percent of his plate appearances in the minors (around 7.4 in extensive time at AAA). It’s unlikely in the extreme that Mayberry will come close to Werth’s 2008-2010 numbers for the Phillies; fortunately, he doesn’t have to reach that level to be quite useful.

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At the time they traded for him in late 2008—in an underrated first deal by new GM Ruben Amaro Jr., who flipped incipient bust Greg Golson to Texas for Mayberry, a fellow Stanford alum—Mayberry already was known as a guy who mashed lefties. The question was whether he might turn into something more than that, as Werth did. Through two seasons in AAA for the Phils, it didn’t look like that was going to happen: Mayberry put up a .788 OPS as a 25 year old in 2009, decent but not spectacular, and fell to .740 a year later.

Still, the performance against lefties held up: over his minor league career, Mayberry hit around .280/.350/.500 against  southpaws. And through an admittedly small major-league sample, he’s punished them to the tune of .305/.339/.644, with 5 home runs in 62 plate appearances. So at the least, he’s a solid option as the short half of a platoon who can run a little and not embarrass himself at all three OF positions. Guys have made careers of less.

The tease that he might actually have more to offer is largely predicated on the fact that he’s drawn more walks (5) in 37 plate appearances this season than he did in the 73 plate appearances he’d registered in the majors over parts of 2009 and 2010 (3). I’m not buying it yet: Mayberry hasn’t had a BB/PA rate over 10 percent since he played at high-A in the Rangers chain back in early 2007. Add in the BABIP near .400 he’s posted thus far in 2011 and some regression is very likely. 

Again, though, he doesn’t have to hit .345 to help the Phillies. Remember that Mayberry’s making barely above the minimum this season; he’s going to remain very cheap for one more year after this one, and still pretty cheap through 2014, his age 30 season. By then, either the minor-league reinforcements (Jiwan James, Domingo Santana, Aaron Altherr et al) will have arrived, or the Phillies will have bigger problems. Meanwhile, a team that’s spending more than some entire clubs’ payrolls in both its infield and rotation will be very happy to economize on the bench and in the outfield.

Mayberry probably isn’t a vital cog of the team’s future, but he might be surprisingly important in its present. A platoon with Ibanez makes sense right now; if Raul rediscovers his form, then maybe that changes, and Mayberry starts competing directly for playing time with the player who’s really a much better comp for him than Werth: Ben Francisco. Given that it seems likely the Phillies will continue to scramble for offense, though, adding Mayberry to a corner outfield mix that also includes Ibanez, Francisco, and eventually Domonic Brown isn’t a bad thing at all. 

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Charlie

I don’t know why people are talking like this. I’ll be utterly shocked if Charlie benches Ibanez. He is loyal to his players to extreme faults.

Ibanez should just be taken off. Put him on the “DL”, let him go home and rest for two months. Bring him back to the minors, and if he continues to fail, never bring him up.

The team can’t afford Ibanez right now. But I don’t think Charlie cares.

It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.

by Dr. Steve on May 3, 2011 12:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Charlie has sat Ibanez for 4 of the last 5 lefty starters, so in effect he’s already been platooning him. So I think it’s entirely plausible that if his struggles continue another 2-3 weeks he will be sitting vs. righties as well.

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by schmenkman on May 3, 2011 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Platoon Mayberry and Ibanez? Make it so.

Plus Mayberry has some wheels – an additional asset for any team, but perhaps more so for one that will most likely be in alot of low run scoring environments.

by j reed on May 3, 2011 1:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Very nice write up. I like Mayberry in a part time role. There is no way he could be any worse than Raul. Ibanez brings absolutely nothing to the table

by aPHILLYated on May 3, 2011 1:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Don't know if this was said already...

but the news of the victorious UBL raid began to circulate throughout the stadium in the 9th inning with the score 1-1…very twilight-zonesque if you will

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo

by DirtyWaters on May 3, 2011 3:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Took me a minute to get that. So, were there scoreboards that would show 9 11 lit up? That would make a great picture.

by phillyinportland on May 3, 2011 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty weird coincidence.

by Cormican on May 3, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great writeup

Too bad Charlie probably won’t read it. The most disconcerting thing about Raul’s slump is that it seems as if (i.e. I haven’t done any statistical research) he is completely incapable of hitting fastballs right now.

by The Reddgie on May 3, 2011 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

He definitely looks that way, but FWIW whenever Raul’s going badly, he looks utterly inept at the plate. There’s something about his swing and the way his head flies up—you want to yell “keep your eye on the ball!” as at a Little Leaguer.

by dajafi on May 3, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

he frankly isn’t the most elegant of players at the best of times

by yolacrary on May 3, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m totally with you, no one looks worse when struggling than Ibanez.

The fastball thing is weird, too, because he managed to get a hit off an Aroldis Chapman fastball last year in the NLDS. Might have been a lucky swing, of course.

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by WholeCamels on May 3, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW, his batted ball distribution has turned around over the last couple of weeks and he’s drawing walks, but he’s still striking out a s**tload.

by taco pal on May 3, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

It also seems like he is swinging at balls, especially for 3rd strikes, and taking strikes. Is this so?

by The Reddgie on May 3, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hate to be the guy who responds to his own post, but I just saw Crashburn Alley has a good article about Ibanez.

Per ESPN Insider, Eric Seidman points out that Ibanez is going out of the strike zone far too often, explaining the high strikeout numbers.

by The Reddgie on May 3, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

…adding Mayberry to a corner outfield mix that also includes Ibanez, Francisco, and eventually Domonic Brown…

Would Cholly and Rube really keep Mayberry once Dom gets back? You’d be carrying 5 outfielders, plus Gload and Martinez who can play OF? Would he keep Mayberry and send Gload to Lehigh (since they cover the same positions defensively, more or less)?

by Cormican on May 3, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Even though it isn’t ideal positionally, I think he might keep him due to his righthandedness, which is itself sort of a quasi-positional consideration.

by taco pal on May 3, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the roster moves will go something like this.

1. Romero returns —> Sardinha leaves (assuming Ruiz is healthy)
2. Brown returns —> Herndon leaves
3. Blanton returns —> Worley leaves
4. Contreras returns —> (here’s where it gets tough) I guess Stutes leaves?
5. Utley returns —> Martinez or Orr leave

by taco pal on May 3, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seems reasonable.

Why would Martinez leave? I would think they’d want to keep him around, being a Rule 5 pick? Of course, Cholly seems to like Pete Orr, eh?

by Phrozen on May 3, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

They might calculate that Washington will turn down the offer. There are other possibilities too.

by taco pal on May 3, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

The tough thing with Martinez is that while you can’t send him down without offering him back, Orr is getting the bulk of the playing time not given to Valdez, and with roster spots a precious commodity, he may go if this team ever gets everyone healthy at once (is that even possible?)

by dannijd on May 3, 2011 11:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

ideally you’d think Martinez would leave because he’s just not very good. doesn’t look like that’s going to influence the Phillies’ decision though.

by perfectdepth on May 3, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

The first thing is whether they’ll stay with the 14/11 distribution or go back to the 13/12. I could see the logic either way; it probably depends on how hard Manuel wants to (continue to) ride the starters. You still have this 14/11, I think: pitchers after these moves are Doc/Lee/Oswalt/Cole/Blanton/Madson; Contreras/Bastardo/Romero/Kendrick/Baez. Though you don’t have Lidge coming back.

Given full health (never gonna happen…), the bullpen I’d like to see is Contreras/Madson/Bastardo/Lidge/Stutes/Romero, but the problem there is that Stutes is your long man. So I guess either Kendrick or Baez sticks.

For the bench, assuming Ibanez, Victorino and Francisco as starting OFs (itself pretty questionable), I’d hope for Schneider/Gload/Exxon/Mayberry/Brown, but that leaves a dearth of options for the infield and thus probably less rest for Rollins, Utley and Polanco. So at least one of Orr and Mini-Mart gets to stay.

This is a tough but not necessarily bad set of decisions to work through.

by dajafi on May 3, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would not be surprised to see Herndon stay on the roster until Contreras returns, or to see them replace him sooner with a viable bullpen piece either from the system or outside shuld they see fit. I’ve said it somewhere else, but we’re about to hit a stretch of 46 games in 47 days, against far superior teams than we’ve been playing. As thin as the pen is as it stands, I just don’t see them favoring an extra bat over an extra arm. If they really think he needs to go down now (which he does) I could see Zagurski taking his place, or waiting until Blanton is back and them keeping Worley up (which would not be the right move.)

by Joecatz on May 3, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

But considering Zagurski’s performance (admittedly against a smaller sample size than Herndon), does switching the two of then make the bullpen better, or is it merely shuffling deck chairs?

by dannijd on May 3, 2011 2:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I only use Zagurski as an example because of who’s available without making a 40 man roster move. mathieson maybe, but he’s struggled most of the year, and just had two decent (if not overwhelming) outings last week. I don’t think he’d get the call at least until he shows some more consistency.

I think it also depends on how you’re going to use the spot. If you’re keeping 11 arms, then Herndon has to go down and Zagurski would stay down too, and they’d replace Herndon with a bat, or swap him with romero on wednesday, and then swap Sardhina later…

But if you’re going to stick with 12 arms, and you’ve resigned yourself to use Herndon only when necessary or in severely low leverage situations (like last week, when he came in with a 10 run lead…) Zagurski is just as useful, if not moreso, when you couple it with Herndon’s struggles.

by Joecatz on May 3, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t really have a strong opinion about this one way or the other, but any suggestion that there was anything wrong with Zagurski’s “performance” is just dumb. He didn’t just have a small sample size. He had essentially no sample size at all.

by taco pal on May 3, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gload’s a free agent next year, I think, and it seems more likely that, if he’s not needed on the big club, he might be offered in a trade.

Plus, Gload is a lefty, and since you’d want to be starting Brown and since Ibanez isn’t likely going anywhere, you’d lose your best lefty PH bat.

by Phrozen on May 3, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m of the opinion that Dom isn’t coming up until one of the following happens

1) he gets at least 100 AB’s at Lehigh and shows his swing is there, has confidence, and hes got nothing left to prove at AAA.
2) One of the outfielders gets hurt.
3) They give up on Ibanez.

option’s 1 and 3 are gonna take 30-60 days, IMO.
Option 2 is up to Baseba’al.

by Joecatz on May 3, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree- but I also think that is for the best. Getting a ton of at bats in triple A is going to allow him to establish his rhythm, something he lacked in Spring Training prior to getting hurt, as well as rebuilding his confidence (which may be just as important).

Also, when he comes up this time, it should be because HE is ready, not because of injury or ineffectiveness in the major league club.

by dannijd on May 3, 2011 2:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with your agreement! Let us pray to Baseba’al for the health and prosperity of young Shane, Ben and John, along with the the quick ressurection of their Brother Rauls swing.

by Joecatz on May 3, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ibanez' worst months

He’s now almost 39, and he’s never been quite this bad before, so I am not implying that he’s going to repeat this pattern, but I do want to show why he’s known as “notoriously streaky”. And yes, I’m holding out some hope that he will bounce back to the .800 OPS range, if not the .850-.900 range.

Apr-May 2002: .216/.261/.314 (.575 OPS) —> went .314/.368/.595 (.963) in Jun-Sep

Jul 2004: .246/.297/.348 (.645) —> went .353/.391/.482 (.873) in Aug-Sep

Apr 2007: .253/.291/.354 (.645) —> went .292/.350/.478 (.828) in May-Jun
July 2007: .184/.241/.262 (.503) —> went .357/.423/.634 (1.057) in Aug-Sep (.298/.360/.500 (.860) in May-Sep)

May 2008: .218/.307/.366 (.673) —> went .311/.376/.502 (.880) in Jun-Sep

Apr 2010: .221/.341/.338 (.679) —> hit /.352/.406 (.858) in May
Jun 2010: .229/.292/.375 (.667) —> went .303/.368/.485 (.853) in Jul-Sep

Apr 2011: .161/.247/.218 (.466) —> ?

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by schmenkman on May 3, 2011 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

The problem is that he’s not just in a slump. His bat speed is just gone. The reason he’s striking out so much on check swings is that he has to cheat and start his swing earlier to catch up to fastballs.

by Nikk.m on May 3, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Evidence other than “I watch the games”?

by taco pal on May 3, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

his K% has been just as high in other isolated, month-long stretches before

by yolacrary on May 3, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. The claim that needs to be defended here is not that Ibanez is hitting poorly (obvious), but that his current slump is different from his previous slumps and specifically because of a physical characteristic. Try harder, Nikk.

by taco pal on May 3, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does this count?, per Bill Baer of Crashburn Alley

“There’s even ample evidence that Ibanez’s recent struggles aren’t just a slump. He’s struck out in 30 percent of his 101 plate appearances, his ISO is currently more than three times lower than his career average (.055 to .190), and he is hitting 12 percent fewer balls on the ground compared to his career average (55 percent to 43 percent). Through 25 games last year, Ibanez was in a slump but had a strikeout-to-walk ratio at nearly one-to-one; this year, the ratio is three-to-one. Yes, Ibanez seems to have been a bit BABIP-unlucky, but given the amount of weak contact he has made overall, his .206 BABIP isn’t all that unrealistic.”

by The Reddgie on May 3, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, his current slump is the slumpiest of them all. I guess if we are reaching for straws, it appears that his peaks are of a longer duration than his valleys.

by The Reddgie on May 3, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

In most cases those aren’t peaks, but what he did for the rest of the season after the bad month, and that rest-of-season is comprised of peaks and troughs that aren’t broken out here.

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by schmenkman on May 4, 2011 6:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

What do you make of this…

Raul has had two 7 game stretches this season where he struck out in at least one AB per game.

I found ONE other stretch more than 5 games long, going back to 2007.

That was in June 2009, he also had an OPS of .957 in that stretch and hit 4 HR’s.

His career BB to K ratio is roughly 1-2. it’s 1-3 this year.

Here’s the crazy part. I looked at four other random stretches you would call “slumps”, and in all four his BB-K ratio was almost dead even.

Not a good sign that this is just “Raul being Raul…”

by Joecatz on May 3, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, I think the BB% is a better indicator, esp. in combination w/the K%

by yolacrary on May 3, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

BB rate seems to be picking up a bit now though. VSSS, but something to keep an eye on.

by taco pal on May 3, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its hard to tell until theres a bigger sample. to put that into perspective, the last three games he walked twice and K’d 4 times, and it brought it down from 1 to 3.28 to 1 to 3 on the season.

I think what I’m saying is from a laymans perspective, If he starts drawing more walks, its a good indication that he’s going to snap out of this sooner than later and its in line with his career streakiness…

Its the sheer number and consistency of the strikeouts that is a huge anomaly based on his career performance that is worrisome.

by Joecatz on May 3, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should note that thee was only one game between the consecutive K outings, in which he went 2-4. Also, the first was 7 games, the second 8. so, essentially he struck out in 15 out of 16 in a row… during that stretch he walked four times, (once was a 2 walk game).

by Joecatz on May 3, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

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