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Chik-Phil-A: Reds beat Phillies 6 - 3 in game of bullpen chicken gone awry

The Reds started Johnny Cueto against Vance Worley tonight in a pre-Halladay attempt by the Reds to snatch a win from the Phillies.  A promising start to the game turned into a game of bullpen attrition, a.k.a. "bullpen chicken", where the object for each team is to put in the least-bad pitcher remaining until someone loses.  

Memories of years past probably helped coin the term, since the Phillies pen has been pretty solid this year, top to bottom.  Still, the calls to Baez and Kendrick seemed to be inevitable tonight.  Refreshingly, the young arms called on did a great job.  But don't let that mess with the narrative here.

On the way to Verdun, the Phillies lost in the ninth inning when Ryan Madson had an uncharacteristically poor outing, assisted by uncharacteristically poor defense.  A three run double from Jay Bruce hammered the nails in the coffin tonight.

The fireworks in the Reds last at bat overshadowed a workmanlike start from Vance Worley, good bullpen work until the ninth inning, and the continued resurrections of Carlos Ruiz and Raul Ibanez.  The latter two had productive nights at the plate, hopefully suggesting that there is some tread on the tires of the offense still.  As well as Madson has pitched this year, the result, while disappointing, is not unexpected.  These games happen from time to time, and Madson has been fabulous all year. Oh heck...TRADE HIM NOW!!!!  More after the cut.

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Worley pitched five innings, giving up 6 hits and striking out 3.  The outcome was not bad, but he did issue four walks, which was troublesome.  Particularly galling was the lead-off walk in the fifth inning to Reds pitcher and martial artist Johnny Cueto.  The inning that ensued resulted in the two runs needed to tie the game, with Cueto scoring the first.  In the grand scheme of things, Worley's outing was solid, especially considering that the Reds have an excellent offense.  Leaving with a tie game in the fifth is not the end of the world for a young starter.

On the offensive side of things, Chase Utley's corpse had its first hit in the second inning.  He nearly had an RBI, but Rollins was thrown out at home trying to score on the play.  This would not appear in the wrap normally, but for Utley's recent return from the dead.

Raul Ibanez and Carlos Ruiz powered the Phillies offense tonight.  Mr. December's torrid May continued with a 3-4 night with a double and an RBI.  Chooch was 2-3 with a walk, a double, and an RBI.  Domonic Brown provided the other RBI via sac fly, and the Phillies had a promising 3 - 1 lead until the fifth inning.

After Worley wriggled off the hook in the fifth, the bullpens went to work. The Reds got effective work from Bill Bray, Logan Ondrusek, and C-Rod or The Other Rod, or Not A or K Rod or whomever.  Effective Rod, perhaps.

For the Phillies, the Call of the Bullpen brought out Herndon (the 6h - 0 H, 0 BB, 1 K, 0 R), then Stutes (the 7th - 1 H, 0 BB, 0 R), and Bastardo (the 8th - 0 H, 0 BB, 1 K, 0 R).  It appeared as though the Phillies were headed into the nether regions of the bullpen for a few more innings until Baez or Kendrick would turn up to cough up the game.  Instead, Manuel went with what I considered to be an enlightened move -- use the best arm in the highest leverage moment.  So he went to Madson.

And things went south.  Edgar Renteria flied out to center for the first toe.  Drew Stubbs bunted to Madson, who threw the ball into Chester, allowing Stubbs to go to second.  Brandon Phillips lined out to Rollins for the second toe.  Two outs?  No sweat.  Then it got ugly.

Votto was intentionally walked. Scott Rolen, making up to Reds fans for his NLDS performance, hit a grounder to Polanco who perhaps could have tagged the runner, but instead went to first, pulling Howard off the bag.  The next hitter (Jay Bruce), who has been hotter than a Fukushima reactor, ripped a double to center, scoring three runs.  Ramon Hernandez mercifully ended the inning, but the damage was done.  The Phillies went quietly in the ninth, mounting no credible threat.

Just to clarify, the defense was suspect in a number of aspects in the ninth inning, and dumping the responsibility for the loss on Madson probably is not entirely fair.  This was a team effort.

Le sigh.  There will be better days.

Here is a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad Fangraph for the visually inclined:

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via www.fangraphs.com


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Dammit, RTP. I called recap tonight! I was in the middle of it and everything.

by FuquaManuel on May 24, 2011 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

It was the propane huffing, I think.

Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."

by RememberthePhitans on May 24, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

other than Madson’s own error, and Polanco’s probably questionable play, was there another defensive lapse? not that that’s not enough, but your phrasing tells me I’m forgetting something else…

by yolacrary on May 24, 2011 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Brown had an error as well, but not in the ninth.

by Phrozen on May 24, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Howard had a moment tonight, too, though I think it was prior to the ninth.

Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."

by RememberthePhitans on May 24, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could polanco really have gotten stubbs out at third? That guy is fast.

by PhilsForever on May 25, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe, maybe not, but between the offline throw and the double-clutch, he had no shot at getting anyone.

by Phrozen on May 25, 2011 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know why Polanco didn’t throw out Stubbs when he bunted. He had the better angle and was charging in. Madson should’ve conceded that to him.

by The Mad Hopper on May 25, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even Madson admitted that afterward- crap happens (and in that inning it rolled down hill and compounded).

Offense, offense, where are you?

by dannijd on May 25, 2011 1:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, just one of those nights where one mistake turns into a bunch for them in the 9th. Oh well, we got Roy and Cliff coming up, we can give them one.

by The Mad Hopper on May 25, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m watching the Padres game right now and I think I spotted a guy wearing a Phillies hat behind home plate!!

by JLS89 on May 24, 2011 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I was in the Dave and Busters in San Diego two weeks ago and they had just as many plush Phillies balls in the crane game as Padres balls. San Diego is Phillie South at this point. (And yes I won one of the balls haha).

by youaretheman26 on May 25, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahah… that’s awesome!! I was just surprised to see a Phillies hat at a Pads-Cards game.

by JLS89 on May 25, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

The worst part about tonight? Either Cholly decides that Madson truly cannot close, and gives the job back to Contreras, or vows to never again use the best reliever in the highest leverage situation ex the save.

It was a pretty decent game until the ninth, anyway.

by Phrozen on May 24, 2011 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup. I liked the “bullpen chicken” phrase, but it’s tough to make it work these days. The Phillies have been getting lots of good innings from young, cheap arms. I have been really, really pleased to see Stutes/Bastardo emerge as “real” parts of the bullpen. Herndon was a bonus tonight. Worley and Brown contributing was nice to see as well. Mayberry hasn’t been hitting well but, he had some decent plays tonight defensively in center. I did not honestly did not expect to see that from him.

Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."

by RememberthePhitans on May 24, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely- with as good as the ’pen has been, I almost do not want to see Lidge come back- because then Stutes will wind up going down, and I think the bullpen will be worse for it.

Offense, offense, where are you?

by dannijd on May 24, 2011 11:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why stutes?

By the time lidge is back (July or august) I’d stutes is pitching well he won’t be the one to go. If he’s pitching better than KK or Baez they’ll eat what’s left of either of there 2.5 months of salary for strength.

by Joecatz on May 25, 2011 2:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Can Stutes go more than one inning?

Offense, offense, where are you?

by dannijd on May 25, 2011 2:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Uh, yes. He’s a converted starter. Threw 86 1/3 innings as a reliever between reading and lehigh since the conversion in 60 appearances.

Baez has only had 3 multiple inning games out of 18 this season. An 8-9 mop up in the 9-0 loss to Milwaukee, the extra inning affair against the mets in the bin laden game and the 4-5 inning of kendricks start against
Colorado. They aren’t exactly using Baez as a long man.

by Joecatz on May 25, 2011 3:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

True- however, they may be less willing to send Baez away if it leaves them with a bullpen full of 1 inning guys- you need a couple of relievers who can go multiple innings.

Offense, offense, where are you?

by dannijd on May 25, 2011 3:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

“can go” is kind of wrong here… there’s no reason Madson couldn’t go 2 if necessary; Bastardo’s gone 2… Herndon could go multiple, if they kept him on (his two appearances since being recalled have been encouraging, though he may yet still be the odd guy out)

by yolacrary on May 25, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kind of expect Herndon to go back down when Contreras is activated. I know Bastardo has had health issues, and a closer is not typically a two inning guy. Guess it depends if the organization is willing to eat money to give this team the best possible bullpen.

Offense, offense, where are you?

by dannijd on May 25, 2011 4:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Every pitcher in the bullpen “can go” multiple innings. Thats not the point, the point is how Charlie uses them. Just because Stutes hasn’t been used for more than an inning at a time doesn’t mean he can’t do it. right now.

Look at it like this. If you carry 12 arms, and 7 are relievers, and everyone is healthy (which is a stretch to assume), and no one is traded, Lidge, Madson, Contreras, Bastardo, and Romero lock up five spots and get the bulk of the LOOGY/HIGH LEVERAGE innings.

that leaves Baez, Herndon, Kendrick, and Stutes to shore up 2 spots. All can pitch multiple innings if necessary, and 1 can spot start.

the two BEST OPTIONS AT THE TIME stay on the roster. period. If Stutes continues to perform the way he has (which, to be fair, is still up in the air) he won’t be sent down because “Baez can go 2”. or “herndon can go 2”

But a lot can (and will) happen between now and July/August when Lidge PRESUMABLY will be back. don’t be surprised if:

1. Kendrick is traded to a sucker
2. Baez is traded or released with 2 months of salary left to eat.
3. Someone else dies.
4. Lidge stays dead, or severely handicapped
5. Someone else surfaces from the minors.
6. Stutes shows he’s human and is already back in Lehigh.

Its a good problem to have.

by Joecatz on May 25, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Contreras goes back in as the closer, not over one night- particularly since the organization may not believe that he can handle the wear and tear that comes with being the closer. And if tonight is just a blip on the radar screen, a confluence of bad events meaning nothing, tonight will be forgotten before Lidge comes back (and hopefully Manyel will resist his natural instincts to go back to him).

Can’t say anything about the other part- I mean, it is not like Romero, Baez, and Kendricm have done so much better in the late innings of tie games.

Offense, offense, where are you?

by dannijd on May 24, 2011 11:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well, see, you and I and FM and so on all know that Madson is indeed the best closer option available.

Does Charlie know that?

by Phrozen on May 24, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is the thing that I am not so sure of. I think he now knows that he is a better option than Contreras (if for no other reason than durability- although we know that Madson is better for so many reasons). The thing I am not sold on is that he will be smart enough to realize that just because Lidge was the closer before he left does not mean he should automatically be it when he returns. If Madson keeps playing like he did prior to tonight, perhaps even Charlie will realize it (even if not for the right reasons).

Offense, offense, where are you?

by dannijd on May 24, 2011 11:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes.

He knows it, he’s said it, and he’s nit dumb enough to let one bad inning when his closer has been used a lot and isn’t quite 100% affect that. Especially when he gave up 1 run In his previous 19 appearances.

by Joecatz on May 25, 2011 7:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ibanez has been drinking telomerase shakes.

by j reed on May 24, 2011 11:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Ponce De Ibanez

Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."

by RememberthePhitans on May 24, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol!!! Good one- one of my favorite movies.

Offense, offense, where are you?

by dannijd on May 25, 2011 12:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

So Raul and Carlos are dese two yutes?

Bob.

by The Dark on May 25, 2011 11:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hehehe….

Offense, offense, where are you?

by dannijd on May 25, 2011 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bad game by Madson tonight all around. He definitely should have let Polanco play the bunt. He had a much better angle on it and they were practically on top of each other. Oh well, can’t hate on the Maddog. We got Roy boy bringing home the series tomorrow

by aPHILLYated on May 25, 2011 4:31 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s a 4-gamer, so a win would ensure at least a tie.

Celebrating 50 years of slightly more Phils wins than losses: 1962-2011

by schmenkman on May 25, 2011 5:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Worley’s Reaction to his start vs Reds

Maybe I am reading to much into it, or completely off base but he doesn’t seem to be too thrilled with the way he has been handled the last month or so.

Honestly I am not sure they could have done it any differently other than not having let Blanton make any of those starts after he was injured and I am not sure if that is right either.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on May 25, 2011 7:38 AM EDT reply actions  

I think that may be it, but I also think that part of it was more explanation than anything- he may or may not be angry with the way things have been handled, but not pitching more than a couple of innings in relief (or 3 innings in his only AAA start while back down) has its effects on how far he could go- it is an argument for not flipping him back and forth too much between the rotation and the bullpen- and a really strong indication that Aro is right about his value being in Philly to cover for injured starters and then in Lehigh to stay stretched out so that he is not exhausted by the third inning. The time to bring him up and keep him in the ’pen is September- Lehigh will be done with their games, so bringing him up is his only shot at playing time.

Offense, offense, where are you?

by dannijd on May 25, 2011 9:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The only thing to take

from worleys comments is that he is as inexperienced with giving post game interviews as he is in pitching in the spotlight. Half of what he said won’t be said again, even if it’s the truth. A little too much honesty and excuses. He’s a decent 5th or 6th starter. He’s not a 9 inning guy and never will be. And he’s pitched above his skill level every outing up until last night.

by Joecatz on May 25, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

True- my point was more that I don’t think he is angry at the organization more than anything.

Offense, offense, where are you?

by dannijd on May 25, 2011 10:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed

But it came off that way, and I would suspect that someone had a talk with him about what to say, how to say it, and how things get twisted by the media. it’s all about learning from your mistakes. Both on and off the field.

by Joecatz on May 25, 2011 2:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Definitely- statements like Worley’s are the reason some teams do not make rookies available to the media.

Offense, offense, where are you?

by dannijd on May 25, 2011 2:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

FM…ran across this on Ebay…thought you would appreciate this:

Mind Blown

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on May 25, 2011 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Should have kept Jeff Brantley as closer.

"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
@boknows71

by boknows71 on May 25, 2011 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I love it. Utley get’s a day off before J-Roll and Howard do.

Lineup is:

JRoll
Franny
Polly
Piece
Raul
Chooch
Mayberry
Doc
Valdez

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on May 25, 2011 6:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Charlie reads these Threads and is keeping Rollins in the lineup just to tick you off

by Joecatz on May 25, 2011 6:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He’s got to rest Rollins tomorrow, doesn’t he? Day game after a night game, plus Utley’s back so you don’t have to worry about a Valdez-Orr middle infield?

by taco pal on May 25, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, logic would dictate this but with Charlie you never know. It has to happen tomorrow. If not, I may lose my shit.

PS: Where have you been TP?

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on May 25, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Had to take a little bit of a Phillies break because work was getting crazy. Gettin back into the swing now though.

by taco pal on May 25, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear that. You didn’t miss much.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on May 25, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

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