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LOL Phillies 6, LOL Mets 4

A sloppy game on nearly all accounts, with key miscues on both sides and another weird but effective outing from Roy Oswalt, with the difference coming on a few weak hits against Mets reliever Francisco Rodriguez, the Phillies overcame a shaky outing from closer Ryan Madson and a key error from Chase Utley en route to a 6-4 victory.

Mets starter Chris Capuano got off to a fast start, striking out the side in the first inning, and not giving up a hit until the third inning, an RBI single from Jimmy Rollins that put the Phillies up by a score of 1-0.  The Mets' first hilarious error came in the top of the fifth on a bloop single from John Mayberry to center fielder Angel Pagan.  Pagan misplayed the ball, allowing Mayberry to reach second.  Mayberry then advanced to third on a throwing error from Jason Bay, and then scored on an RBI single from Oswalt, giving the Phils a 2-0 lead.

Then it was time for the Phillies to get in on the laughs.  With two outs in the bottom of the fifth, Jose Reyes lifted a pop-up into shallow left field.  Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley, both going for the ball, collided; the ball clanked off Rollins' glove, and Utley was (rightly) charged with an error.  Reyes advanced to second on a single by Justin Turner, and scored on an RBI single from Carlos Beltran.

Oswalt's final line was six innings pitched, nine hits, and only two strikeouts, with one earned run allowed.  As has been a trend for Oswalt recently, there were very few strikeouts, and his velocity appeared to be done down.

Mike Stutes replaced Oswalt in the seventh, allowing a leadoff double to Jose Reyes.  Reyes then advanced to third on a totally sweet "pickoff attempt" from Mike Stutes to absolutely no one.  Reyes scored on a Ronny Paulino single, taking a 3-2 lead.

The Phillies tied the game in the seventh after a single and stolen base from Domonic Brown, and an RBI double from Jimmy Rollins.  The Phillies then plated three runs of Francisco Rodriguez in the top of the ninth, taking a 6-3 lead, thanks in part to a misplay from first baseman Daniel Murphy on a Domonic Brown RBI single.

Ryan Madson was shaky in the ninth, allowing a leadoff single to Reyes, who took second base on defensive indifference.  With one out, Carlos Beltran drove Reyes home, making the score 6-4.  Beltran advanced to second on the play on an error by "center fielder" Michael Martinez.  After a Jason Bay single, the game came to a merciful conclusion on a double play grounder from Daniel Murphy.

Hey, a win's a win.

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via www.fangraphs.com


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I wonder what Madson and Beltran were laughing about in the 9th when Beltran was on 2nd base? It was an odd moment…anyone else pick up on that?

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo

by DirtyWaters on May 27, 2011 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m sure at least one of our readers will be upset that I chose a picture depicting the Phillies making an error, when there were so many other wunnerful photos depicting cute things from a victory.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on May 27, 2011 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

just follow it up with a picture of Rollins and Utley pointing and laughing at Daniel Murphy…that would pretty much sum it up

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo

by DirtyWaters on May 27, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope- this pic is perfect synopsis of the evening- sloppy game all around. I only object to awful pictures of annoying and recently well vanquished (albeit injured) opponents.

Offense, offense, where are you?

by dannijd on May 28, 2011 1:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well good.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on May 28, 2011 8:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nope- perfect pic for a sloppy game.

Offense, offense, where are you?

by dannijd on May 28, 2011 1:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Twice, but two different comments. CUTE!!!

by FuquaManuel on May 28, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh, the sweet, sweet sight of a sloppy fan-graph.

Samesis

by JpH89 on May 27, 2011 11:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Not much more I enjoy about baseball than getting some runs off K Rod to beat the Mets

by JoshuaR on May 27, 2011 11:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Try the veal!

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on May 28, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good one- I LOL’ed

Offense, offense, where are you?

by dannijd on May 28, 2011 1:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wish they had gone a little easier on him actually. If they’d scored one fewer run, they still would have won and Rodriguez would have logged a Game Finished.

by taco pal on May 28, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would that have counted?

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think so, based on something I vaguely remember reading a while back that I have no chance of locating now. Could be wrong.

by taco pal on May 28, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

his option is for games finished regardless of outcome

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo

by DirtyWaters on May 28, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Though, if he had given up only 2 runs, the 9th might’ve turned out differently.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

If gloating over a victory against these current Mets seems like piling it on, giving K Rod the old Nelson Muntz will never get old.

"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)

by bandwagonesque on May 28, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Worried – was Oswalt’s velocity “done” or “down”?

by j reed on May 28, 2011 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

The ever unpopular idea

Who would be willing to trade Oswalt for Prospects at the deadline?

It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.

by Dr. Steve on May 28, 2011 12:18 AM EDT reply actions  

made only more unpopular by his retained no trade clause negotiated in lieu of picking up the 2012 option

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo

by DirtyWaters on May 28, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought this was his last year?

And, the ideas for trading him are obvious if he is on a sharp decline. No one can tell for sure of course, but if he has a lot of value, there’s no sense in keeping him. Of course, I seem to be the only one very scared of our team’s future, and confident with our arms in the system.

But if he’s got a no trade, then it’s impossible. But I can’t see why people on here are hesitant to even consider it. Do the majority of you have any imagination whatsoever? You guys must make for some of the worst deadline discussions.

It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.

by Dr. Steve on May 28, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

There’s nothing teams are more eager to give up good prospects for than a player who’s “on a sharp decline.”

by taco pal on May 28, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I believe the Phillies traded Gavin Floyd and Gio Gonzales for Freddy Garcia, someone who was injured at the time of the trade. It happens very often, and would (of)* be wise to look into.

*but of course is impossible

It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.

by Dr. Steve on May 28, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

No one knew Garcia was hurt/in decline (even though you could glean some important clues from, you know, looking at the numbers) the way you’re hypothesizing about Oswalt. Dumping a high-salaried, “declining” asset is likely to net you the equivalent of a flaming bag of dog feces in return. In that case you’re better off keeping him and hoping he rights the ship.

Again, this is assuming Oswalt is in some kind of decline which I’m not conceding at all.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on May 28, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you always consider yourself so superior?
And is imagination codeword for “really terrible ideas”?

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Instantly dismissing an idea with no explanation or even the minor indulgence in it is pretty boring. I can see how you can think I come off as superior, but I would simply like it if the idea got more than just curbstomped by most commenters on it. My reaction is simply the equal and opposite reaction to what yours are. What do you want, me to shrug and go “oh well”?

Aside from DirtyWaters, who was nice enough to be on topic and bring something to the table, everyone’s been rather insulting. And then you get mad when I am insulting back? Please.

It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.

by Dr. Steve on May 28, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll bite...

What would be the upside to trading Oswalt for prospects? Assuming Blanton is healthy by then (a stretch) it would be a MAJOR downgrade to the rotation in a year when we have maybe the best chance in the history of the franchise to win it all. If Blanton isn’t healthy, it would mean a rotation featuring Worley AND Kendrick, which is… Well, a severe downgrade.

Assuming Oswalt doesn’t pick up his option, we have 14 million bucks to work with in the offseason, and likely a first round pick next year to offset if he leaves via free agency.

In addition, we don’t need PROSPECTS at the deadline. (Honestly, I don’t think we need ANYTHING at the deadline, barring an injury) The only thing that we may have use for is a right handed bat, but I don’t even think thats something worth doig unless its an absolute steal of a deal.

You trade a free agent to be for prospects when you are out of it, and rebuilding. not when your leading the division with the best record in the antional league. Especially when the person youa re talking about is Roy Oswalt.

by Joecatz on May 28, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No, that’s total bullshit.

You came in and made an outlandish and inflammatory suggestion offering absolutely no justification for that suggestion. People are entirely within their rights to respond dismissively if you aren’t going to bother to do more than just throw out an outlandish suggestion without bothering to take the time to make a well-reasoned argument. If your idea is completely fucking stupid, expect it to get “curbstomped”.

Also, read back over the comments, no one was insulting to you until you basically insulted this website and all of its commenters.

by FuquaManuel on May 28, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you don’t like it here, by all means, find a website that meets your standards.

by FuquaManuel on May 28, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t believe I ever made any insults towards this website or its content, so why would I? My comment was directed towards the comments.

It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.

by Dr. Steve on May 28, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

imagination

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on May 28, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

great, now I’ll be singing that song while I do yard work

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo

by DirtyWaters on May 28, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those A’s yellow jerseys are criminal.

by j reed on May 28, 2011 12:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Really?

The Marlins have two runs. And both of them are off of Greg Dobbs singles.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 12:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Greg Dobbs says Greg Dobbs is on firah for my TGP team.

by j reed on May 28, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a guaranteed Phillie killer for years to come.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

An ex-Phillie scorned is a turrible thing.

by j reed on May 28, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Matt Kemp is up with no outs and runners on the corners in a 2-2 game. Looks like Greg Dobbs won’t be enough.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, Kemp was IBB’d.
Looks like it’s up to Dioner Navarro with the bases loaded.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lots of league wide bobbles and misplays in the OF

by j reed on May 28, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fish lose off a Navarro single.
2 game lead.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m happy for the increase in the lead, but sad that it occurred because of a Dodger victory. To think that they were once (back in the Koufax-W. Davis days) my favorite non-Phillies team.

by essman on May 28, 2011 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where was that last July when the Phillies could have used it? Heck where was that on all of Polly’s off days that Dobbs got to play?

Offense, offense, where are you?

by dannijd on May 28, 2011 1:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well, some of it was here, some was here, and some was here.

by Phrozen on May 28, 2011 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Todd Coffey is the Jonah Hill of Baseball, not good at his job, but gets a pity fat laugh.

Samesis

by JpH89 on May 28, 2011 12:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Hey, Jonah Hill ain’t half bad.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s turrible.

What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.

by doubleh on May 28, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would go more Bobby Moynihan of SNL

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo

by DirtyWaters on May 28, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby is way funnier and underused. Google some of his buffoons pre-snl sketch stuff with Eugene Cordero and Charlie sanders from when he was doing stuff at UCB in NYC.

I used to do improv with him. One of the most talented improvisational comedians on the planet.

by Joecatz on May 28, 2011 6:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Did Wilpon run out of money to pay his announcers? All the SNY clips from this game are commentary-free. Example: http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=15238493

by taco pal on May 28, 2011 12:55 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s always pretty cool to watch the plays without commentary. I’d prefer it over SNY announcers.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can we do that with live TV and with CSN?

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo

by DirtyWaters on May 28, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

My eyes thank you for the retinal burn caused by seeing that throw again.

by j reed on May 28, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

its really more of an elongated shot put

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo

by DirtyWaters on May 28, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

HAHA, a Nerf-Put. With franny’s Nerf Trebuchet, we’re an almost an All Nerf OF.

by j reed on May 28, 2011 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I left two “an’s” in the sentece for the reader to decide how they want to read it.

by j reed on May 28, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re readers an thank you an.

by Phrozen on May 28, 2011 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am confused am I

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo

by DirtyWaters on May 28, 2011 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Christ, it was not only weaker than Beltran’s, but 5 ft off the mark.

by j reed on May 28, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rollins’ and Utley’s body language on the Stutes error was amusing.

by taco pal on May 28, 2011 12:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice going, Mike Leake and Jon Garland.

by taco pal on May 28, 2011 1:36 AM EDT reply actions  

…a totally sweet “pickoff attempt” from Mike Stutes to absolutely no one…

But, WC, Wheels said, “This kid’s got quick feet!”

…an error by “center fielder” Michael Martinez…

Point: I’m pleasantly shocked that John Mayberry can play a legitimate center field. Counterpoint: this further begs the question of why Michael Martinez made the roster.

by PhillyFriar on May 28, 2011 3:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Counter-counterpoint

Which will prove even more baffling when Mayberry is the one sent down next week when victorino comes back due to Martinez “toolsiness” and “superutilitiability”.

Superutilityability is defined as : the ability to make up for lack of range, arm strength, fielding ability, and offensive prowess by playing multiple positions adequately, and stand on either side of the plate when hitting.
Extra points given for each “up the middle” position you can play".

by Joecatz on May 28, 2011 6:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If Mayberry is sent down when Victorino comes back, then I will eat my hat.

Bring Back the Expos

by Veni Vidi Vici on May 28, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you are right...

But it won’t be Valdez, and it doesn’t look like Brown either.

That leaves Mayberry and Francisco with options remaining, Martinez offered back to teh nats or Gload to the DL (which could happen as a short term solution…)

I think in the grand scheme of things, mgmt has kind of soured on Francisco a bit, and prefers Mayberry’s versatility, defense and speed.

But Martinez is the only one of the lot who can play up the middle, and with Chase needing the occasional day off, I find it difficlut to believe they’ll go with Valdez as the only back up infielder. Even if they offer him back to Washington, it still leaves them short a back up infielder…

I would not be surprised to see Gload to the DL, and Francisco shopped around as trade bait possibly either.

by Joecatz on May 28, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't on the game thread last night...

so I don’t know if this was discussed yet but this was on CSNPhilly.com

With Ryan Madson pitching well as closer, Lidge is expected to work in a setup role when he returns. Manager Charlie Manuel has confirmed that is the plan.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on May 28, 2011 7:50 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yup. Manuel and Dubee have both gone on record and said thats the plan on numerous occasions this week.

by Joecatz on May 28, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

So where does that leave Contreras? 7th inning guy?

Bring Back the Expos

by Veni Vidi Vici on May 28, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

well sure. That’s where he started spring training.

by pretzalz on May 28, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Think it depends...

Until Lidge actually throws off a mound and can hit some velocity its very speculative, but we’ll likely see a roving combination of Lidge/Stutes/Bastardo/Contreras in the 7th/8th…

Thats assuming Baez is the long man, and they part ways with Romero instead of Stutes.

Don’t rule out seeing them shop Kendrick or Romero around for a bag of balls at the deadline either, to free payroll, if Lidge is healthy and looking like he’s gonna be back for the stretch..

by Joecatz on May 28, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

What I find exciting is the new name in the mix. Who would have thought on Opening Day that Michael Stutes would be a valued and important part of the Phillies bullpen. All the talk of the last few years about Scott Mathieson, Mike Zagurski, and David Herndon, and Stutes may be the one who helps the most.

by phillyinportland on May 28, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can probably thank

Mathieson, Zagurski and Herndon for the opportunity a little…

But yeah, its pretty darn coolto see a kid like that come out of nowhere (radar wise, at least, Stutes was a STUD in college) and handle the pressure.

by Joecatz on May 28, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mathieson was touted, though I don’t believe Zagurski really ever drew much of a following. He’s got great numbers in AAA though, but it hasn’t really translated to the ML level.
Of course, new names are popping up, with Schwimer really showing off in AAA.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this. Mathieson was the only one of those three who was touted. I’ve never heard a single person outside of TGP utter a kind word about either of the other two guys, particularly Herndon.

by taco pal on May 28, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schwimer really does have some nice stats. Needs to cut down on walks though.

I see Drew Carpenter’s also still got some nice stats. Maybe the move to the pen is exactly what he needed? I know he was never much of a SP prospect because his stuff isn’t seen as being all that great, but hey, he’s getting a strikeout per inning now.

by taco pal on May 28, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carpenter has certainly been the other really impressive guy in LHV. He’d probably be a pretty good long man for the pen next year, if he keeps this up.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting stat I saw

LHV is 29-18, easily their best record ever.
And 4 of their 5 current starters have ERA over 4.80.
Brian Bass: 4.88
Eddie Bonine: 5.44
Nate Bump: 5.67
Ryan Feierabend: 6.18
Yeesh. Of course, their other current starter, Brian Gordon, sports a 1.01 ERA.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bonine must have one heckuva BABIP. 8.3 K/9, 1.7 BB/9, 0.4 HR/9.

by taco pal on May 28, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

54 hits in 41.1 IP.
With 38K’s that comes out to a .386 BABIP. Wow.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s actually gotta be higher, since he’s certainly gotten a few DPs too.
His peripherals are pretty amazing, given that’s he’s got those rates, and a 1.52 GO/AO ratio too. Can’t ask for much better than that.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Add in the fact

That it’s minor league defense and it’s even more impressive.

by Joecatz on May 28, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personal opinion again....

More base hits through the infield at AAA, based on inferior defense. Suppose thou after thinking it through it’s probably Not a factor

by Joecatz on May 28, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only way that affects his peripherals is that it gives him more AB’s to get strikeouts and walks with, so both rate stats are somewhat elevated.

It’s also partially the cause for his high BABIP.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would imagine that every minor league pitcher is affected in this way by poor defense. Not sure if this is factored into Fangraph’s minor league FIP calculations.

by taco pal on May 28, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wouldn’t be. I just didn’t understand why he thought it would affect a pitcher other than by producing a higher BABIP.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s pretty much what I was thinking.

by Joecatz on May 28, 2011 9:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’d forgotten that Fangraphs actually has this data. BABIP is .385, LOB% is 62.7, FIP is 2.79.

No HR/FB or batted ball data, unfortunately.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5890&position=P

by taco pal on May 28, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, at least I know I did the calculation correctly.
The HR/FB can’t be all that low, given the good GB numbers. It’s probably below 10%, but I can’t see it being all that low.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interestingly, the last two years he was in AAA (in the Tigers org) he posted K/9 rates of 5.84 and 4.50, with FIPs of 3.77 and 3.94. If I’m not mistaken, he just started throwing the knuckleball this year, so he might really be onto something.

by taco pal on May 28, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carpenter

is the guy I want to see get a shot. Not being on the 40 man hurts him a little, but he just intrigues the hell out of me (to be fair, I saw him strike out Gianni and posada at a spring training game in 08, so I may be a little biased). He’s always struck me as more of a swing man.

by Joecatz on May 28, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

Yeah. Sure type. Sorry. That’s what I get for posting while driving…. J/k

by Joecatz on May 28, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would he thank Zagurski? Zagurski did nothing wrong during his extremely brief tenure this year with the big club, and he’s pitched fine in AAA.

by taco pal on May 28, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

your probably right. Was commenting more on the comment made than the players mentioned.

by Joecatz on May 28, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stutes was hyped up by David Murphy all through spring training and performed extremely well against major league hitters over a small number of innings. I thought and still think that the level of hype was premature, but still, it was very foreseeable as of Opening Day that Stutes might contribute this season.

by taco pal on May 28, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

You probably did a better job of following the prospects at that time. I just remembered Stutes as a local product from Oregon who had been drafted as a starter. I wasn’t aware of his conversion to reliever until they brought him up. Needless to say, I’m glad they did.

by phillyinportland on May 29, 2011 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great, now we won’t get to see Madson pitch

It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.

by Dr. Steve on May 28, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good news, hopefully it lasts.

by JoshuaR on May 28, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

On a semi-related note (at least as far as LOLMets go), this video from their AA club’s game a couple days ago has been making the rounds on the Internet, but the lovely citizens at Fark apparently gave it a very appropriate soundtrack

by RaptorLC on May 28, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow double AA? They look like they’re 16. I saw just the word “sountrack” was linked and then LOLMets so just impulsive clicked before really reading the the whole thing. I thought I was watching a high school game and not just because of the buffoonery, but also by there size.

by j reed on May 29, 2011 6:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trevor May is having an… interesting game.
He walked the first two batters he faced, but then he went 3 and 2/3’s with 6K’s and only one walk. Of course, he then went and gave up back to back HRs in the 4th inning, and walked another batter. So good at points, and so bad at others.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s like the next Carlos Marmol. Though I guess Marmol doesn’t give up fly balls.

by taco pal on May 28, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Throw another strikeout and walk into the mix. 5 BB’s and 7 K’s through 5.
The only runs he’s allowed are the homers.

And Marmol doesn’t allow much of anything, fly ball or not.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Apparently CSN is going to air two LHV games, one on Monday and one on Thursday.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 6:38 PM EDT reply actions  

2012 bullpen

Ok, so there are seven spots. Let’s ignore the lefties for now (and let’s assume that two of the spots will go to lefties and five will go to righties).

The only spot that’s more-or-less locked up right now is Contreras. So that leaves four. The alternatives are:

Free agents who may not return: Madson, Lidge, Baez
Arbitration eligible but can be nontendered: Kendrick
Will be out of options: Mathieson
Will still have options: Stutes, Herndon, Schwimer, Carpenter, Aumont, Rosenberg, De Fratus

Every one of the guys in the last group will need to be on the 40 man or else they’ll be subject to the Rule 5 draft.

Which four righties do you choose to go along with Contreras?

I assume everyone agrees that Lidge, Baez, and Kendrick should be gone.

I also assume that everyone would like to have Madson back, except that he might end up commanding more than he’s worth (which is a lot).

Would you be comfortable going into 2012 with a righty pen of Contreras and four young guys (whoever pitches the best in ST)?

by taco pal on May 28, 2011 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

My only hesitation is whether contreras can hold up as a closer all season, and if not, am I comfortable with a rookie or unproven arm in that role.

Assuming contreras can close, then yes, I’m in. I take schwimmer, carpenter, stutes, and Herndon as the long man.

If I’m not using contreras to close I probably swap aumont for schwimmer maybe?

I’m starting to rethink my position on giving madson a 3 year deal……lol

And man, we have an arm or two that could be trade bait as well….

by Joecatz on May 28, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could have Contreras and Bastardo split the closer role based on the handedness of the hitters in the 9th. Like the ‘86 Mets did with Jesse Orosco and Roger McDowell. I know it’s been a long time since any team did that, but who knows, maybe Charlie and Ruben will be the first! (I’m about three-fourths kidding, but it’s not as big of a leap as doing a full-on bullpen by committee, so who knows.)

by taco pal on May 28, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be something. I’d prefer that to going after someone like papelbon because were too cheaper shortsighted to give boras what madson wants.

by Joecatz on May 28, 2011 9:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wasn’t that the Braves’ plan originally for Venters and Kimbrel? Now it’s Kimbrel, with 14 saves, as closer; and Venters, with the much better ERA and WHIP, as setup man primarily (one save).

by phillyinportland on May 29, 2011 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I may be like that guy living under a rock in the GEICO commercial, but is it really the case that Aumont, the guy who looked like such a bust last year, could be ready for the major-leagues next year? Wow. If that happens, that whole Cliff Lee trade for prospects deal looks even better.

by phillyinportland on May 29, 2011 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

What do you mean by “even better”?

by philsandthrills on May 29, 2011 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just even better than the way things worked out with Halladay coming to Philadelphia and Cliff Lee eventually returning to the Phillies. We may never know if Amaro “had” to trade Lee to make the Halladay deal happen but if it turns out the prospects include a guy who makes the team then that would seem to be better.

by phillyinportland on May 29, 2011 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

My other question, though, is who the 2nd lefty is. I doubt they rely on Zagurski without some sort of backup option.

As for the righty options, Stutes is basically a guarantee at this point. Herndon seems like he could have a spot, so long as he keeps up what he’s been doing since he was sent down. De Fratus has taken a step back, so I’m not so sure he’s in the bullpen next year just yet. Schwimer has gotta be in there if he keeps up what he’s doing. I don’t know what to think about Aumont, who’s been doing everything he can but certainly lacks experience. He’ll probably get a shot at a spot, but I he’ll probably be next year’s Stutes, with a try-out in the spring but a likely role at LHV. Finally, Carpenter, as I said, could be the long man.

So, at this point I’d guess Contreras, Stutes, Schwimer, Herndon, and Carpenter. Obviously, Madson would take either Herndon or Carpenter’s spot, most likely Carpenter.

I don’t know what to think of Rosenberg, who’s having a bounce-back year but is actually in the starting rotation for Reading. I highly doubt that he’s really an option for the 2012 pen.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

On lefties, I’m thinking they treat the rest of Fat Mike’s season in AAA as a sort of tryout. If they feel comfortable with him, they’ll pick him. If not, they’ll sign a Scott Eyre type or re-sign Romero. If they’re somewhere in the middle, maybe they give Zagurski the chance to win it in the spring but also sign a couple of guys to minor-league deals who could step in if he screws up.

I pretty much agree with you on the righties. I just hope they don’t blow money on some Tim Worrell type. Aumont and De Fratus should be the back of the AAA bullpen with their sights set on Opening Day 2013.

by taco pal on May 28, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im with you on fat mike. I really hope he can push it to the next level by next season. Though, unless he finds some kind of herbal supplement that can get him back to 2008 form, I have a feeling that Romero will not be back next season.

I just hope they don’t go out and spend two or three million bucks on someone who’s gonna be a replacement level loogy because they need another lefty in the pen.

by Joecatz on May 28, 2011 9:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

herbal supplement that can get him back to 2008 form

You mean the form he had in April?

It’s amazing how wildly people can overreact to two or three bad games over the course of a couple of weeks. It’s like it does a memory wipe.

by taco pal on May 28, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

He only threw 4.2 IP in April. 3K, 1 BB, 5 H, 2 ER.
Not exactly all that impressive either.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

His entire season is a small sample, so any portion of it is necessarily going to be a small sample too. His xFIP in April was 3.24 and all of his bad games have come in the last two weeks. We’ve all seen this act from him many times in the past and it shouldn’t change the view that he’s an effective reliever as long as he’s used properly, which he hasn’t been this year. (Relatedly)

by taco pal on May 28, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

But

He’s never been used “properly” and likely never will be. He can be the best lefty specialist in the world, but if he’s not gonna be used strictly as a lefty specialist, then what’s thepoint in having him?

Maybe never is a strong word. How bout rarely. I have that view on romero, but it doesn’t amount to a hill of beans if he’s facing right handed batters, and putting men on base, and not missing bats.

Its why I don’t want to see them spend on a lefty.

by Joecatz on May 29, 2011 7:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Humbug

Eric Pettis came in for Trevor May in the 6th inning. So far he’s gone 2 innings scoreless, but he has given up his first two walks of the year in Clearwater in this appearance. He had 11K’s to 0 BB’s before today.

by philsandthrills on May 28, 2011 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

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