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Why I think the Phillies should let Madson walk next year




In case you haven't heard, the Phillies moved Justin DeFratus and Phillipe Aumont to AAA last night. That to me says the Phillies think both could be September callups this year, and could be on the major league roster at the break of camp next year. Those two, along with thier new AAA teammate Micheal Schwimmer, give the Phillies 3 really good relief prospects in AAA, and 5 really good, young cost controlled relievers in total, with Stutes and Bastardo already making hitters look silly in big leauges. 

Jose Contreras is under contract for next year, as is Herdon. I think the 7 guys I mentioned would give the Phillies  a pretty strong bullen next year. You could also swap Herdon out for a LOOGY (maybe Zagurski), which wouldn't be a bad idea. 2 things I'm assuming: Lidge will be bought out (fingers crossed), and Kendrick doesn't come back next year. The reason I believe Kendrick doesn't come back next year is he's already making more than he's worth, and will likely get a raise if the Phillies take him to arbitration.  

The big question in my hypothetical situation is who would close, and I would say Bastardo. He's been pretty much unhittable this year and has closed a few games out already. In the event that the league figures him out, or he gets hurt (which is a definite possiblity given his history), I believe that Aumont, Contreras and DeFratus could form a 'good enough to get by' closer by committee.  

The point is, the Phillies just don't need Ryan Madson. Especially if he's going to be looking for $7-10 million a year. It would be nice to have him, but the Phillies have some holes to fill elsewhere next year, and with $113 million already commited to the 2012 team, they really can't afford to be spending money on luxeries like a closer.

 

 

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We need to resign Hamels, we need a new LFer, we need to resign Rollins/sign someone else to play short, and we need to decide about Oswalt. I think I remeber Jayson Stark saying that he believed Hamels would get about 5 yrs/100 million, which I think would be fair given how dominant Hamels has been this year. I think the Phillies will ultimately end up picking up Oswalt's option, which is $16 million. While $16 million seems like a lot for a declining Oswalt, you have to remeber that the buy-out on his contract is $2 million and therefore a sunk cost. I don't think we are going to find a better option on the market at $14 million for one year.

With Oswalt and Hamels signed, the Phillies will be up to $147 million dollars in payroll, and would still have to fill the other two holes mentioned. My gut says the Phillies resign Rollins for about $40 million/3 yrs, brining the payroll up to around $160 million, without a left fielder.  I expect payroll to be around $170 million next year, like it is this year, so that would give the Phils about $10 million to play with.

To me, it comes down to this; would the Phillies rather have an unproven, but talented, closer and a pricey left fielder to boost the offense, or would they rather have Madson closing with a logjam of young bullpen arms while being forced to play Ben Francisco for 130 games next year? 

In my mind, the better option is clearly to let Madson walk. And if you've made it this far down the fanpost, you'll probably be happy to hear that Madson will likely be a type A FA, which would net the Phillies two high draft picks, which is never a bad thing.

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I sincerely doubt Oswalt will be back. While I agree at $14 Mil he’s a bargain. $14 M is an extremely expensive #4 starter. Why not simply make Blanton 4, Worley #5 and you just saved $13.5 M, which would be plenty to pay Madson, let’s say $9 M, then you take the remaining $5 M add it to the $10 M you mentioned being left over and you have a quality reliever and a even better LF option?

by Cormican on Jun 16, 2011 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Oswalt retires

by j reed on Jun 16, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

or becomes a Yankee

by j reed on Jun 16, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not Cliff Lee apparently.

by j reed on Jun 16, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He hasn’t retired yet J

by Cormican on Jun 16, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely think Oswalt retires.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on Jun 16, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the one thing you’re forgetting is that Madson is, like, really really good. As in better than any of those young guys, as much as I like them all.

I do think that the Phillies should be open to letting Madson walk if the market gets too high, but if it doesn’t get too high they should sign him.

by taco pal on Jun 16, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

What do you think would constitute “too high”?

by Cormican on Jun 16, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure yet. Got to think about it some more.

by taco pal on Jun 16, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

3/33 would essentially be a reduction from what Lidge’s last contract was. I’d be comfortable in that neighborhood.

by Cormican on Jun 16, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just because it’s what Lidge got doesn’t mean that it’d be a smart investment. Madson is very good. However, his marginal utility to this club is probably not 11 million.

by philsandthrills on Jun 16, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, just saying I can be comfortable with that number given Madson’s consistency and getting Oswalt, Lidge and Ibanez off the books.

by Cormican on Jun 16, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice points. I like Bastardo and Stutes a lot, and they’ll be great to have around in the next few years (homegrown bullpen arms on the Phillies, who’da thunk it!), but they’re due for some regression.

by perfectdepth on Jun 18, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT

Romero designated for assignment…or am I late to the party.

by j reed on Jun 16, 2011 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I guess they’ll have to find someone else to go on that Cruise in January.

by Cormican on Jun 16, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That cruise is like the kiss of death. Last year they had J.A. Happ and Milt Thompson scheduled to go. Victorino seems to be bulletproof, however.

by taco pal on Jun 16, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

He must get lots of pictures during the cruise for leverage. Romero’s done the cruise before though (09 I think).

by Cormican on Jun 16, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

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