2011 MLB Draft, Second Round: Phillies Select Prep Shortstop Roman Quinn, Third Baseman Harold Martinez
by WholeCamels on Jun 7, 2011 1:34 PM EDT
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PrintAs a result of losing Jayson Werth to the Washington Nationals in the offseason, the Phillies got two selections in the second round of the 2011 MLB First-Year Player Draft.
Pick No. 66 came from the Nats, and the Phillies used it to select high school shortstop Roman Quinn out of Florida. Cameron Gallagher, whom we wrote about over the weekend, went to Kansas City with the 65th overall pick. Fudge!
HT: 5'9"
WT: 165
B/T: S/R
HS: Port St. Joe (FL)
A line-drive hitter with some extra base pop, Quinn, who just turned 18 last month, is praised for his work ethic. His primary asset on the field is his speed; Quinn has played second base and center field as well, and has the range and arm to cover center.
Quinn has committed to Florida State for college ball, and therefore has some leverage. Still, it's doubtful the Phillies would have made this pick without having a pretty good idea that they could get it done.
Phillies dreaming on Jimmy Rollins, Jr. here?
This is a nice pick, in my opinion. It targets a real organizational problem area, even if Quinn is likely several years away by any optimistic guess.
More on Martinez after the jump...
The son of a Cuban defector, Harold Martinez is completing his junior year at the University of Miami, where he played third base for the Hurricanes. A consensus early-round talent in the 2008 draft, Martinez was drafted by the Rangers in the 19th round but obviously did not sign.
Martinez's stock took a hit due to injuries last year, and offseason surgery, as well as underwhelming performance in college.
HT: 6'3"
WT: 212
B/T: R/R
Martinez also reputedly has problems with defense, particularly throwing.
Martinez should be a fairly easy sign, as he's wrapped up his junior year and is unlikely to get another opportunity for a nice bonus after this year. It's a good case of the Phillies buying low on a guy who didn't have the best college career for any number of reasons. The Phillies did this with Michael Taylor, who became a solid prospect if nothing else.
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3rd round - Adam Morgan, LHP, University of Alabama
Hometown: Marietta, GA (suburb of Atlanta)
Sickels wrote a few weeks ago:
Adam Morgan, LHP, University of Alabama: 6-1, 180. Typical college lefty with decent stuff, low-90s fastball and good changeup, sharp command. 3.89 ERA with 67/21 K/BB in 81 innings, 77 hits. Could get lost in the shuffle with all of the pitching available this year.
BA's top 100 guys who are still on the board after 137
41. Josh Osich, LHP, Oregon State U.
46. Dillon Maples, RHP, HS – Southern Pines NC
54. Matt Dean, 3B, HS – The Colony TX
62. Charlie Lowell, LHP, Wichita State U.
66. Derek Fisher, OF, HS – Lebanon PA
72. Tyler Marlette, C, HS – Oviedo FL
78. Travis Harrison, 3B, HS – Tustin CA
83. Tyler Greene, SS, HS – West Boca Raton FL
85. Tyler Gibson, OF, HS – Macon GA
87. Kyle Gaedaele, OF, Valparaiso
88. Nicky Delmonico, C/1B/3B, HS – Knoxville TN
91. Burch Smith, RHP, U. of Oklahoma
92. Keenyn Walker, OF, Central Arizona JC
93. Noe Ramirez, RHP, Cal State Fullerton
94. Kyle McMillen, RHP, Kent State U.
95. Brandon Loy, SS, U. of Texas
99. Chris Marlowe, RHP, Oklahoma State U.
Phillies’ next pick is 151.
Greene was 75. Quinn was 73. Martinez was not in BA’s top 200. Morgan was 136. This is, of course, just one magazine’s opinion.
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by WholeCamels on Jun 7, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Slightly off topic, but what are the chance of a logjam at 1B in the future between Singleton and Greene?
Obviously, this hinges on a few things happening:
- Greene actually produces and becomes a prospect of worth
- Singleton stays at 1B
- Greene moves to 1B (IIRC some scouting reports said there’s a good chance this might happen)
- Both will likely be on track for the majors within a year or two of each other at the end of Howard’s deal
This is probably not worrying about (it would surely be a good problem to have if they both ended up as good prospects), but what do you think?
"There is no dark side in the moon, really. Matter of fact it's all dark."
The Reds have a similar issue with Votto and Alonso. I say if it happens, good problem to have and one would be excellent trade bait to fill other needs. In all likelihood, one of them will bust or switch positions or suffer an injury or whatever. MiLB is Darwinism at it’s finest.
Yeah, you really can’t draft on positional need in baseball. Too many things (good or bad) can happen in the years it takes players to reach the big leagues. That said, it’s worth noting that in addition to this, Harold Martinez being a poor-fielding 3B who doesn’t throw well suggests he might also be a candidate for 1B. Not that it’s bad to have players at the same position, but you don’t want an organization full of 1B, especially as an NL team. There’s no other place for them to play and they’re very easily blocked. Logjam at CF? Move someone to right! Logjam at SS? Future second or third baseman! Logjam at 1B? Unless one of them is athletic enough to move to the outfield and hits well enough to make up for the inevitable bad defense, you’re stuck with a very talented pinch hitter.
Actually made a major improvement on his power this year with the new bats. That’s a good sign.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Sickels wrote two paragraphs on him two months ago here:
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/4/11/2104147/monday-afternoon-baseball-notes
He’s got a good arm and decent range, but his fielding percentage hovers around .900 and Big 12 observers think a move to first base will be necessary in the long run, which hurts his draft stock. Still, the bat is very interesting and he could get picked on the first day.
Hmmmm….Phils have to hope his defense improves. FYI, he ended with a .916.
Seems to me they picked the HS guys and this guy over B.A.Vollmuth, with similar college performance.
OT: Darin Erstad is now the baseball coach at Nebraska
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No, I already posted this in the other thread, you misinterpreted my sense and I mistyped “HS guys”; should have said HS guy and Martinez and this guy.
I am saying the Phils essentially said “hmmm…both of these players are worth more than Vollmuth, especially if we could get Asche later.” They think the upside of Martinez and Quinn are more than Vollmuth, who was available at those picks.
I get Quinn. But Martinez is a more interesting comparison. And at least in college, Vollmuth>Asche. It will be interesting to see which of the 3 do well, if any, and which end up actually playing in the infield.
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Taylor Featherston drafted by Colorado. Shame he didn’t go to the Mets. They could have had Leather and Feather.
still available BA top 100
41. Josh Osich, LHP, Oregon State U.
46. Dillon Maples, RHP, HS – Southern Pines NC
54. Matt Dean, 3B, HS – The Colony TX
62. Charlie Lowell, LHP, Wichita State U.
66. Derek Fisher, OF, HS – Lebanon PA
83. Tyler Greene, SS, HS – West Boca Raton FL
85. Tyler Gibson, OF, HS – Macon GA
87. Kyle Gaedaele, OF, Valparaiso
88. Nicky Delmonico, C/1B/3B, HS – Knoxville TN
91. Burch Smith, RHP, U. of Oklahoma
2011 stats
228 AB, 47 R, 62 H, 15 2B, 1 3B, 13 HR, 39 RBI, 34 BB, 6 HBP, 59 K, 5 GIDP, ,272/.376/.518
From Jim Callis:
Phillies: Yavapai (Ariz.) JC RHP Kenny Giles. He hasn’t pitched a lot, but his fastball creeps up to 99 and he also has a high-80s slider and a splitter. Relief prospect.
by philsandthrills on Jun 7, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
my ass, you aren’t a machine. Taco Hal 2000
by Cormican on Jun 7, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so is it University or High School? Take a side! :-P
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Jun 7, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, Prep school. I know there are some that use words like “college” or “university” in their names.
Samesis
More specifically
It’s a private school. In fact, the comparison would be Penn Charter or maybe Germantown Friends. Penn Charter, since in my time that is where the “elites” went in that part of Philadelphia, where I’m from.
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I went to a public University High School. It was in the University district of Orlando, right by UCF.
Bob.
by The Dark on Jun 8, 2011 12:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Another SS. Man they are really gonna try and set up hoping at least one of these guys can make it big in the future. I wonder if they get both this kid and Quinn to sign, then they may use Quinn more in the OF.
Samesis
Sickels said in April:
Tyler Greene, SS, Boca Raton, Florida. 6-3, 175, hits right. University of Georgia commitment. Another t****y guy, has speed, raw power, good throwing arm. Size may dictate a shift to third base if he outgrows shortstop in the long run. Some scouts question his approach at the plate. Would be a first-round candidate in many draft classes but more of a second round guy this year. VIDEO:
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En ese primer partido, los mejores por la ofensiva de Palomino fueron Neftalí Rosario (3-1, 1 CA) e Vimael Machín (1-1, 1CA). El pitcher Yacksel Ríos lanzó sobre las 90 millas y poncho a siete.
90 mph. I am guessing that “poncho” means “struck out”.
quick summary (1-12)
C. Larry Greene, OF, HS – Nashville GA
2. Roman Quinn, SS, HS – Port St. Joe FL
2. Harold Martinez, 3B, University of Miami
3. Adam Morgan, LHP, University of Alabama
4. Cody Asche, 3B, University of Nebraska
5. Mitchell Walding, SS, HS – Stockton, CA
6. Zach Wright, C, East Carolina University
7. Kenneth Giles, RHP, Yavapai JC (NM)
8. Austin Wright, LHP, University of Mississippi
9. Logan Moore, C, Northeastern JC (CO)
10. Jake Overbey, SS, HS – Jackson TN
11. Tyler Greene, SS, HS – West Boca Raton, FL
12. Yacksel Rios, RHP, HS – Gurabo PR
Looks like he had been a bullpen guy until recently.
by philsandthrills on Jun 7, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
But no, no injuries that I could find.
by philsandthrills on Jun 7, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That could be a steal. Relievers maybe shouldn’t get into the first couple of rounds no matter what, but it looks like we just got a cream-of-the-crop reliever in the 13th round.
Add him to the jumble of names for the 2013 bullpen.
by philsandthrills on Jun 7, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The 13th round premier name goes to Horace Stubblefield.
by philsandthrills on Jun 7, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
On Quinn and Martinez... (and Greene)
Both from my neck of the woods,
I watched Quinn play once this year in a tournament. I remembered him b/c he commited to play at FSU, my school. The dude is lightning fast, led off, and played centerfield. Made a sick throw (for a high schooler) Would not be surprised if he was turned into an outfielder, but I would think they’ll try him at SS first. Prototypical leadoff guy.
I haven’t seen too much of Martinez, but I remember him. Solely from one game his freshman year against my alma mater (FSU). It’s the only reason I remember him, basically because he hit two HR’s and made two sick defensive plays, and my friend (who I went to HS with, and played at Miami) looked at me and said "if we were still playing and it was 1992, who would that 18 year old kid remind you of? and we both said A-ROD, when he was in high school and at Miami Dade CC. (yeah, I’m that old, and yeah, Iknew him from back in the day…)
But on that day at Mark Light stadium two years ago, Harold Martinez reminded me of an 18 year old Alex Rodriguez.
As far as Greene goes, the kid is really a stud. He’s commited to Georgia, I think (since like his Sophomore year) And It’s gonna take a lot to get him to sign. He grew up outside Baltimore, though (or is from there) so the “who” of the draft thing may be as important as the “how much”
Woah. Interesting on both counts.
If he is really being recruited by Georgia, UGA has a pull in Georgia that Philly folks cannot fully appreciate (Penn State is not its equivalent). I guarantee all his friends would be disappointed if he signs with the Phils. Thus, not a cheap signing by any stretch.
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I think
His family is from Baltimore. Hes an orioles fan. Bud is partly right about UGA though. The town (Athens) is a true college town, great campus, great experience, tradition, and a heck of a program. That said, I have a feeling after reading some interviews with the kid, that he can be bought overslot by the right team. But it’s likely gonna take time and I would bet close to 1st or 2nd round money.
But he was quoted twice that he’d like to reach the bigs by 22. Hes the signing to watch, IMO.
by Joecatz on Jun 7, 2011 5:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So...
7 SS/3B and 2 catchers in the first 14 picks. Definitely looks like were focusing as much on projected need as we are best available at this point.
by Joecatz on Jun 7, 2011 4:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
TP, where’s the BA list of top prospects? Does it go past 200?
by philsandthrills on Jun 7, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, ok. Garvey was ranked 203 by perfect games, so he’s probably just outside the BA list.
by philsandthrills on Jun 7, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
John Black, SS, Sr.- Kentucky
Another shortstop. I think this is their first college senior pick this year.
Canadian? We have been very active up there in recent drafts
by phanatic's phloozies on Jun 7, 2011 5:17 PM EDT reply actions
1 more thought on Martinez
We did ok the last time we took a 3B out of Miami
by Joecatz on Jun 7, 2011 5:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Washington gets Hawtin Buchanan in the 19th. He was on the BA 200.
Nats are having a bumper crop of a draft, if they can sign all these guys. Same with Toronto.
Why not just corner the market on high-bonus high schoolers? I’m not saying they need to sign all of them, but just drafting them prevents anyone else from getting to offer them big bonuses. Plus if you have a whole bunch of them drafted at once, it gives you negotiating leverage against each one – “if you don’t take my offer, one of the other guys will.”
in my experience that isn’t the way the Phillies, or really any other team, operates. College seniors do provide a service, though a boring one, as cheap organizational filler. Someone has to fill out the rosters at all of the minor league sites. They don’t all have to be prospects.
I would also add that paying high bonuses later in the draft is frowned upon by the commisioners office. Teams do it. Even the Phillies get a few late round 6 figure guys every year but they choose not to rock the boat very much.
by phanatic's phloozies on Jun 7, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, but what I’m saying is, just draft them to draft them. I’m not necessarily saying they have to sign any more of them than they already do.
I definitely get what you were saying but something tells me that kind of practice would still elicit a stern talking to from the commish. Not saying that’s the way it should be but it seems likely.
by phanatic's phloozies on Jun 7, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
"if you don’t take my offer, one of the other guys will."
I feel like that wouldn’t work at all because theyre basically saying “offer me x dollars or I go to college” from the get go. They couldn’t care less what your offering to other guys.
by philiafan14364 on Jun 7, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
6 P (3*, 7, 8*, 12, 13, 17)
5 SS (2, 5, 10, 11, 16)
4 3B (2, 4, 14, 18)
3 C (6, 9, 19)
2 OF (C, 15)
1 partridge in a pear tree?
Just got home
Of the 9 3B/SS that we drafted, how many of them look like they could actually stick at those positions? Just thumbing through your little blurbs about some of them, it seems like most of them have the “may wind up at 1B” caveat.
by philiafan14364 on Jun 7, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
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1-39) Phillies: Larry Greene, OF, Berrian County HS, Nashville, Georgia: Raw prep outfielder with enormous power but may end up as a first baseman or DH if he gets too slow. I am intrigued with Greene’s power, but I think there were more balanced picks available. Still, if you REALLY love the guy, and you think he’ll be gone later, you pull the trigger. I would have picked Jackie Bradley or Andrew Chafin myself.
He then proceeds to gush all over Bradley and Chafin, who went, respectively to the Red Sox at 40 and the Diamondbacks at 43.
sickels on quinn and riley moore before they were picked
Riley Moore, C, San Marcos HS, Santa Barbara, California: Although his bat draws mixed opinions, Moore is an excellent defensive catcher and at least some scouts believe he’ll be a decent hitter as well, possibly more than that. He has a University of Arizona scholarship to fall back on, but given the premium that many teams put on catching, he could go earlier than expected and soon enough to be easily bought out of college ball.
Roman Quinn, INF-OF, Port St. Joe HS, Port St. Joe, Florida: Speed attracts most teams and Quinn has plenty of that, with 80-speed and enough pop to keep the respect of pitchers despite his 5-9 size. He’s somewhat raw and it is unclear if he is a second baseman or outfielder in the long run, but players with his profile often go sooner than anticipated on draft day.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/6/6/2209607/2011-mlb-draft-who-is-that-guy
Moore was picked in the 21st round.
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