Exclamation Point! Phillies 14, Braves 1
by dajafi on Jul 10, 2011 4:38 PM EDT
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PrintThrough the first two games of this series, it would have been hard for even the staunchest partisan of either the Braves or Phillies to argue there was much difference or distance between the NL’s top two teams. Through two stomach-churning high-drama extra-inning games, we’d seen four great starting pitching performances with no decisions attached to any of them; up-and-down bullpen work on both sides; occasional bursts of power; and one win each. As of early Sunday afternoon, all that effort had left the teams right where they started: with the Phillies holding a 2 ½ game lead in the NL East.
A few hours later, after the Phils got yet another brilliant performance from Cole Hamels and their injury-reduced lineup cranked out a season-high 20 hits, the lead was back to 3 ½, and at least for a day, the gap between the teams seemed considerably larger as the Phillies sent the Atlanta staggering into the all-star break on the receiving end of a 14-1 loss. Clickety ho!
The Braves got their run first, on a second-inning Julio Lugo grounder to short that scored Dan Uggla. Ryan Howard dropped the throw from Jimmy Rollins, adding an error to his day after grounding into a double play on a 3-0 pitch to end a first-and-third, one-out threat in the first. That was pretty much the last bad thing that happened to the Phils all day, as they tied it against Derek Lowe in the bottom of the frame on the first of John Mayberry’s three doubles on the afternoon. They added two more in the third, as Howard redeemed himself with an RBI single and Raul Ibanez knocked in another as Uggla couldn’t handle a possible double-play ball. Rollins added an RBI single an inning later to make it 4-1.
There it stayed through the next three innings, as Hamels got stronger and stronger. After retiring Lowe with two men on to end the fourth, Hamels mowed down the last twelve Braves he faced. By then, the outcome wasn’t in doubt: with top-shelf Atlanta relievers Jonny Venters and Eric O’Flaherty getting the day off, the Phils feasted on lesser lights Cory Gearrin and Scott Proctor, who combined to allow ten runs in the seventh and eighth innings. Ibanez, Domonic Brown and Mayberry each delivered two-run hits, and Ibanez followed with a three-run bomb in the ninth off Proctor to end his day with six RBI.
It was a big day for Michael Martinez, who delivered a career-high four hits to raise his average from .192 to .229. Mayberry and Brown set career highs as well with three hits each. All in all, it’s hard to imagine a higher note on which the club could have ended the first half.
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From the Fightins comments:
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Jul 10, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
with mayberry's performance of late
… i would’t be opposed to next year’s outfield being mayberry – victorino – brown
by pman8 on Jul 10, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
There are many alternatives. Mayberry isn’t that good.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
what he said
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by WholeCamels on Jul 10, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t be opposed to that being THIS year’s outfield maybe half of the time (platooning Ibanez), but I fully hope RAJ can go out in the offseason and get a corner outfielder with a little more reliability than Mayberry.
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by Senor Octubre on Jul 10, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Beast
I recorded this game. Can’t wait to watch it. Hamels probably has a case to start the all-star game just as much as Doc.
by PhilsForever on Jul 10, 2011 4:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He isnt going to even be on the active roster for the game, but if he was he would certainly have a strong case.
Yeah
I met to say he could have a case if he was on the roster, sorry about that.
by PhilsForever on Jul 10, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The Phils tried pretty hard to avoid breaking this game open. Lowe had thrown 88 pitches through 4 and was on the brink of getting KO’d. Of course Ryan Howard led off the 5th by swinging at the first pitch and making an out. The next five batters went in order, averaging about 3 pitches per PA. Thankfully, it was still just enough to get into the soft underbelly of the Braves pen. One more inning out of Lowe and they probably would have skipped Gearrin and Proctor. We would have instead seen the considerably less sucky Scott Linebrink in the 8th.
might as well get this out of the way
Charlie letting Cole pitch the 8th with a 9-run lead when he was already at 102 pitches on a 90-degree day was stupid.
Again, I disagree
102 pitches isn’t a lot, and I don’t think the weather makes it any worse – if anything, I think it would help keep muscles and ligaments warm and flexible. Again, Hamels wasn’t laboring at all and didn’t have to try hard in the 8th given the big lead.
116 pitches for an outing is entirely within common industry practice, and in the absence of empirical data that it’s too many I’m going to continue to believe this was acceptable usage.
That said, I would have lifted him.
I actually agree that 116 is “acceptable.” I just don’t think that matters. There may not be any empirical data that 116 is worse than 102, but it obviously isn’t better than 102, so you’re not gaining anything by leaving him in there. Nor are you gaining anything in terms of winning the game, which was unloseable. So you have pure downside balanced by no upside, meaning that it was the wrong decision regardless of how much or how little evidence you have that it’s going to harm him.
by taco pal on Jul 10, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
thisx2
Theres no way to justify leaving him in with a 9 run lead at home. none.
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While dumb, I am sure Charlie was thinking Cole was gonna get a lot of rest before his next start. But, this is not uncommon practice for Manuel this year.
by PhilsForever on Jul 10, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The fact that is is not an uncommon practice for Manuel to do stupid things with the arms of his pitchers is not a justification to continue to do stupid things. It’s a justification for management to tell Manuel to stop playing dice with the future of the franchise when games are out of reach.
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by RememberthePhitans on Jul 10, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The bad news is that the Braves should be getting Kris Medlen and Peter Moylan back in August. Medlen (assuming he’s fully recovered) is pretty good, Moylan’s just so-so, but they’re both a whole lot better than Scott Proctor. So the weakness the Phillies exploited today won’t be nearly as weak when the end of the season rolls around.
I think I like our roster at full strength better than theirs. Problem I guess is that with ours so much older, up-and-down good health is less likely. (Then again, Larry Jr. is never a great bet to be at full strength.)
This game was great fun, but it’s likely the first two of this series gave a better indication of where the two teams are.
Well, the Phils will have Madson back. And Lidge? I guess?
Plus Oswalt presumably.
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Sure, but the front end of their pen may be worn out by the end of the season as well.
by philsandthrills on Jul 10, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Braves use their bullpen more than any other team in the NL and all three of their top relievers are on pace to pitch their career high in innings by a large margin.
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I think it’s still true. Especially for their prized duo.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
They’re totally going to run those guys into the ground, if not this year then soon. I say this more in sorrow than with glee. I obviously want to see the Braves fail, but not because they injured their talented young players.
What do you mean “they”?
Fans sure as hell don’t like seeing Venters getting the Dusty Baker treatment.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
They as in, the people who currently make the decisions to run them out there as frequently as they do. See: Manager/Coaches.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Yes indeed.
I obviously want to see the Braves fail, but not because they injured their talented young players.
“They” refers to the Braves, which was the only pluralized noun that preceded it in the sentence. Reading is fundamental.
Well
If you want to be a grammar Nazi about it. DUH!
I wanted to use the Tropic Thunder “What do you mean YOU PEOPLE?” reference but you used “they”. Doesn’t quite fit now does it.
For people who hide behind “we are just hoking, chill out”, sometimes you guys get uptight real quick.
(please tell me you were “joking” in that post)
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No, I honestly thought you couldn’t read. My mistake, I guess.
by taco pal on Jul 10, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m actually blind you douche.
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I had no idea you were capable of the human function of thinking.
You all do a lot of guessing around here. Not very good at it though. ;P
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Troll-fu? More or less edible than tofu?
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Tofu is actually pretty delicious when done correctly.
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by LeepinLizardz on Jul 10, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
So I’ve read your original comment about 10 times. I still have not been able to determine how a normal, rational person could read that and assume it is a joke.
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That’s my entire point.
I guess I shall explain:
Usually (subjective word warning!) when someone responds to a post on this blog, the original writer of the post that was responded to will come back with “chill out, it was a joke” or “we don’t take ourselves so cereally so neither should you!”
Problem is, you can’t hide behind the “it’s a joke”/“sar-dar broken?” type of responses for every time someone responds to a post.
I read tp’s post to be more inclusive than Fredi G. blowing up our bullpen for no reason. That’s why the “they who?”. If the post was meant to be about a specific person, so be it. It wasn’t written that way.
That’s all.
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Additionally
I was anticipating the “ZOMGZ DONT B SO SRSLY BR0” response.
As stated above, that seems to be the CYA response here. It’s fine when it’s true but, from what I’ve seen, every time called out on something, people pull that card.
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As stated above, that seems to be the CYA response here. It’s fine when it’s true but, from what I’ve seen, every time called out on something, people pull that card.
False. The way it usually works is as follows:
Step 1: Someone writes a post and says something that is very clearly a joke.
Step 2: TC readers read the post and are unable to detect that the things that are very clearly jokes are jokes.
Step 3: TC readers come to TGP and bitch and moan about how wrong and offensive the things that they are unable to detect as jokes are. (Perhaps because Larry Jones and Bobby Cox are so desperately in need of fanboys to defend their honor on the internet).
Step 4: TGP readers point out them that the offending comment was a joke.
We joke around here a lot, I’m not denying that. But it is not our fault that we so often have to point out to TC readers when we are joking.
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The point being, also, that the thing you said was not very clearly a joke, so you telling us “chill out its a joke” is not the same as us informing humorless Talking Chop readers that that thing we said about Chipper Jones is just a joke.
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For the record,
I never joke about The Chipper. He was, is, and always will be a raging douchebag in my eyes until the end of time.
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We’re a lot alike, you and I.
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by FuquaManuel on Jul 11, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Wrong.
Step 1: Someone writes an idiotic post that isn’t funny, witty, or slightly humorous. (See: Why Polanco made it to the ASG/everyone hates Chipper).
Step 2: TC reader calls TGP poster out about it because it’s baseless crap.
Step 3: TGP poster uses “WOAH DUDE! CHILL OUT BRO!!”
Step 4: Debate moves from substance of original post at issue to whether it was a “joke” or not.*
*I think of this as the “Thank You For Smoking” tactic of debate.
Using “it’s a joke” as an out is clASSy though. ;)
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
We should have gone with the “Chipper spreads syphillis” post instead, maybe that would have been funnier.
But it is not our fault that we so often have to point out to TC readers when we are joking.
This is exactly what I’m talking about. Blaming others for your poor writing.
If you don’t want people (allegedly) mis-reading what you write (not “you” but the general use of the word), then you need to write clearly and unequivocally.
Perhaps it’s a problem with tone not being the best over the internet. Still, “it’s a joke” is the most used cop-out on TGP.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
I think you guys are well supplied in that department. There are how many members on SBN? ;o
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Good, so the plan is working fine.
I think the problem here is that you are misunderstanding what type of joke these posts are meant to be. They aren’t intended to make you laugh. The intent is so we can see how many stupid Braves fans we can trick into taking them seriously, so that we, the regular posters and commenters on this blog, can then laugh at them.
Non-jokes are non-jokes.
The whole post about why Chipper isn’t starting the ASG wasn’t even remotely presented as a joke. And if “tricking” us is your goal, then you phailed miserably.
Read the comments in the thread. Your own peepz went off on “I H8 LARRY” rants.
Like you said, whatevs. G’head and get the last word in. We both know you don’t have the self-control to leave it alone until you do.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
Ooh, Jedi mind trick! What do I do? If I reply, he’ll say I told you so. But if I don’t, he’ll brag about getting the last word in? Oh noes!
And if "tricking" us is your goal, then you phailed miserably.
Read the comments in the thread. Your own peepz went off on "I H8 LARRY" rants.
Can you explain your logic please? What a shitty lawyer you’re going to be.
AHAHAHAHA. Already strike a nerve?
Enjoy your 9-5 making minimum wage at the Cheesesteak shop asshole. Just remember, John Kruk won’t be able to support you forever.
I see higher education is a sore spot for you. What’s wrong TP? Didn’t finish high school?
But srsly, if that whole post was a “joke”, your own people didn’t get it was a joke and took it 4 REALZ . Hell, you had people bandwagoning the idea that Chipper isn’t starting because (allegedly) people don’t like him? That’s the part where you phail.
QED.
Like I said tough guy. Get your last word in (again).
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And I thought that the guy with the ICP avatar was the dumbest person to comment here.
I was wrong.
by philsandthrills on Jul 10, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
(Psst, you were one of the stupid Braves fans I referred to above. I think you probably already got this, but I thought I should spell it out for you just in case you didn’t. Because, you know, you might not have realized it.)
You know we really aren’t all stupid. I’m glad that you understand that one overly passionate person on the internet isn’t representative of the whole.
But I also don’t think that the “5 Reasons to hate the Braves fans” was a joke because you intended it to be so far from the truth that is has an ironic effect. It might have been a joke because you think it is a funny, but to say that that makes the intention less malicious is a pile of BS.
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And another…
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by RememberthePhitans on Jul 10, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Another what?
Feel free to speak in complete sentences and with some sort of meaning.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I’m glad you are here posting instead of doing something, anything in the real world. TP: thank you for the DoS attack on the doofuses of the world.
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I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 10, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
Cause theres no way the author Could be that ironic and think that meta to use that idea and post it right before the braves series?
Or because there’s no way your not bright enough to see it or gullible enough to fall for it?
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So you are telling me that not a single person here actually agrees with the substance of that article? I just don’t buy it, and a quick look at the comment section proves it.
It was intended to be a “joke” just as a racist joke might be used (excusing the vast differences in severity and malice)
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I think we have a new site header!!!!
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by WholeCamels on Jul 10, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Real world called for a long, long time. I’m back though. I hope
by FearTheTurtIe on Jul 11, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Larry Wayne
It’s Larry Wayne, of course. That’s important. I was going to list “Chipper” Jones in my “All Preppy/WASPy -Sounding Team” published not long ago in the Inky, but anyone with two first names (especially if they are “Larry” and “Wayne”) cannot make that team. Please forgive me if others have already made this point about his many names. I was away all day.
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yep
and you can say the same thing about your big three although I wouldn’t be worried about Doc.
None of those guys have really been abused. I’ve gotten frustrated on several occasions when Charlie failed to give them extra rest in blowout games like today’s. But I don’t think he’s ever put any of them in a dangerous situation. They rarely ever go over 125 pitches, and they’ve very consistently let them take five days between starts whenever there’s been an off day. I think they’ve only kept them on four days rest once or twice.
They are all on a pace to set or match their highest inning totals in a season. Lee has gone over 110 pitches 11 out of his 19 starts, Hamels had done it 5 out of 19 (not including today), and Halladay has done it 15 out of his 19 starts. Like I said before, I wouldn’t be worried about Halladay but they all are having their arms taxed. Getting your bp arms healthy would definitely help, but they still need to be used correctly. Should be a very interesting down the stretch and the playoffs
I think you’re looking at this wrong. I’d rather have a guy average 110 pitches a game by staying between 100-120 every game, than have a guy average 100 pitches a game but occasionally hit 130. Most articles I’ve read say the damage from pitching isn’t cumulative, it comes from pitching when fatigued. The reason why the Big Three’s average pitch count is so high is that they so rarely get knocked out early. What really matters the most is how many times do they get abused with especially high pitch counts? It doesn’t happen that often.
I agree with that
so if they aren’t pitching when fatigued then there is a less of a chance that there will be a problem. And you would know more about that I do since I don’t follow the Phils as close as you do
Take a look at Lee’s pitch counts/innings so far this year, in terms of complete games, etc.. and then look at what he did last year or the year before. I don’t think hes being abused, but I also don’t see any evidence that he can sustain this, and thats ehat worries me.
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All the more reason
Why relief help IMO is more important than a mid grade bat upgrade. The misuse has as much to do with Charlie having no faith in 1/2 his bullpen, and 1/2 of the ones he does being on the DL.
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Yeah, although part of it is also that Charlie needs to get over it. Herndon is not that bad and Carpenter hasn’t even had a fair chance yet. And regardless, even if they sucked, they can still pitch with a nine-run lead.
Charlie’s success is largely attributable to being very unlike Larry Bowa, but occasionally he does show some Bowa-esque tendencies. When he decides he doesn’t like a particular pitcher, he will sometimes go out of his way to send a message that he doesn’t think that pitcher belongs in the majors.
This argument recalls an argument from Roy Halladay when he talked to reporters(and Hamels mentioned it as well, although in a different manner, more runs=less rhythm for the pitchers). These guys, LOVE to pitch. They aren’t pitching because they couldn’t make it anywhere else but the pitcher position.
They are pitching because they have the stuff that it takes to pitch and they enjoy pitching! Nothing thrills those guys more than seeing the ball hit Ruiz’s glove and the ump yelling STRRRRRRIKE!
We complained about this last time as well. And yet, Halladay had no problems with his arm last year(CY Young, NL MVP, A Perfect Game and a Playoff No-No). The dude fought his groin to pitch 6 innings of solid baseball.
Point being, stop whining about these guys hitting 100+. You should be GLAD they are capable of hitting 100+. You don’t want to have to rely on your bullpen. They are the reserves. Like football, hockey and basketball, they come off your bench. They are in the bullpen because they don’t have starter stuff.
If we can get to Stutes-Reyes-Bastardo successfully, 8/10 we won that baseball game. And winning these games=winning the conference, and if our NL All-stars can pull it out, that means home field throughout the ENTIRE post-season.
You play to win the game. And Halladay-Lee-Hamels are some of the games best pitchers right now, and lets say our bull pen guys are ranked somewhere between 80th-100th among pitchers. Why would we want to rely on those bullpen guys?
by LeQuan Glover on Jul 10, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s pretty striking how many times you can make the same argument about why it is logically unsound to send one of your aces out to pitch the 8th inning with a 9 run lead and how many times people like this can COMPLETELY miss the point.
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Winning the conference.
Somehow you know even less about baseball than you do about basketball. It’s shocking.
by philsandthrills on Jul 10, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
…Stutes-Reyes-Bastardo…
When did we sign Jose Reyes to pitch?
…winning the conference…
I don’t even know what to say.
Just stop.
Dennys Reyes. Silly you.
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by alcatraz0109 on Jul 11, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by alcatraz0109 on Jul 11, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
So I guess
Ibanez is still hot?
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I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 10, 2011 5:02 PM EDT reply actions
Here's the updated line
Since the Boston game.
10 games, 43 PA .309/.325/.737 1BB 5K with 4 HR and 15 RBI, so yeah, I’d say hot.
that INCLUDES the Lester game and the first game he played in Toronto after the Boston breakout. He went a collective 0-9 with 3K’s in those two games.
5 game hitting streak with 3 multi hit and 3 multi RBI games.
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So it’s possible the Lester game and the Toronto game were still in the old bad-Raul-streak and the ABs before those games that were good were false positives? So maybe we have even more ABs left of Good Raul?
/grasping at straws but enjoying the ride right now
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Lowe was not actually awful:
107 PC, 6 INN, 10 HA, K, 4 ER, L, 2.867 FIP
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by RememberthePhitans on Jul 10, 2011 5:03 PM EDT reply actions
Without looking, I’m going to assume Talking Chop blames this all on the batting order.
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Nope
just chalk it up to getting owned on a great pitching performance by Hamels, a less than stellar outing by Lowe, and horribad performance by Gearrin and Proctor (surprise)
lool
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by DirtyWaters on Jul 10, 2011 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
they were the ultimate love/hate band so I stuck them right in the middle
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You’re overly harsh on Collective Soul. They’re an average 90s band that you’re heaping Creed or Nickelback levels of hate on.
They’re fine.
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Fo Collective Crapton (they are so fucking dreadful), I gotta call you out on forgeting Georgia's gem, REM.
Hamels is sorta a perfect fit. Plus it’s so college radio which fits the audience. The One I Love , Orange Crush, Everybody Hurts (not linking that crap song), Pretty Persuasion, Fall On Me (great video, sooooo post mod.), I Am Superman
Begin the Begin just cuz the series is now 6-6
or What’s the Frequency Cole? my bad, I was only looking at musicians from Atlanta…so much to choose from, that I didn’t even look at the rest of Georgia…a shame, cause Athens is pretty close.
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i didn’t know Mayer was from Atlanta. He’s actually good when he’s not trying to be a pop star or be Dave Matthews for 16-20 year old girls. Helluva guitar player.
The music he writes doesn’t do his guitar playing abilities justice, having seen him live. He’s actually from NE, but was discovered in Georgia, I believe.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
He is sick on a guitar. He might be this generations Prince, in that people see his image and have no idea just how musically talented he is.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I actually didn’t see that but I’ll try and find it on youtube.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Saw him live and he played a jam session for probably 20 minutes. I had gone to see his show on a lark, last minute. Didn’t think much of his music at first. My jaw hit the floor. He’s someone you absolutely have to see live.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Yeah, he isn’t as talented as Prince, I was more going for the fact that few people even know how good Prince is, they see the outfits and the name/symbol and never consider how incredible he is. Same thing with JM, but to a lesser degree in both image and talent.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
what happened to the old one?
imo is was cooler.
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by DirtyWaters on Jul 10, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I considered it, but I couldn’t put Gladys Knight and the Pips on the assassin side
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
Is there gonna be a futures game thread for Cosart and Valle?
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
Howard Off Speed pitch count update
I had mentioned that he was seeing 3 off speed pitches to every 1 fastball in the first two games of the series and Derek Lowe has thrown him a total of 39 off speed to 14 fast balls over the past 2 seasons combined. Today, Lowe threw Howard 11 off speed to 2 fastballs and yet he still sits on the fastball…I am not saying look off speed against every team, but damn!
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
You know that if he ever decides to take your advice, the very first pitch he sees after that will be a meat fastball down the middle, right? It’s inevitable.
So anyone the Phils might target for trade deadline?
I keep hearing a right hand OF
by The Fish on Jul 10, 2011 5:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I only think we go after one
If Atlanta does it first. Personally, I would try and trade Francisco for relief pitching, and keep Mayberry. We need a RH bench threat, who can play all the OF positions.
25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!
I was thinking this on my drive down the shore, and then though, if they trade for an RH bat the obvious and probably accurate assumption that said RH bat plays the OF…but who does he take AB’s from? Dom is the present and future, you want him to get AB’s against lefites, maybe rest him against tough lefties here and there but you don’t trade for a guy to play those few games. So it comes down to a guy who can platoon with Ibanez, who is good enough that they can trade for and be successful in limited time? Most players benefit from significant time.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Kyle Kendrick and Ben Francisco for Jose Bautista and the ghost of Shoeless Joe Jackson.
by RedImperator on Jul 10, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i would die happy
"This team (Philadelphia Eagles) gives me the best chance of winning a Super Bowl."
-Michael Vick #7
All in all, it’s hard to imagine a higher note on which the club could have ended the first half.
And what a first half it was. Now 23 games over .500, on pace for 101 wins, with the best record in baseball, and they’re 3.5 games up in the division and 8.5 games up on a playoff spot.
I’m gushing, of course, but it really is a great time to sit back and appreciate just how great this team is to watch day in and day out.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 10, 2011 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
He’s such an idiot. His article on Jeff Carter and Mike Richards being traded was the worst article I’ve ever seen on hockey.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
by Ed Van Chimp on Jul 10, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I love him calling the advertisement of the Phillies’ strong pitching not only a “rationalization,” but also a “con.” How dare they! Haha.
I love TGP because you guys read all this crap so I don’t have to.
by j reed on Jul 10, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
I’ll admit I had my moments this year, too. But since going through this stretch, I’m just enjoying the ride.
Yes
I hardly ever check Philly.com anymore thanks to you guys. Saving me from the comments alone is saintlike.
by The Howling Fantods on Jul 10, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven’t read anything by Conlin in about a year. TFG.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 10, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Just Conlin?
The old booze for herion switch trick doesn’t get past me. It’s a total purge. The Sleeper Must Awaken
Her ion
A charged particle (atom or molecule) that belongs to my wife.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 11, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s Paul Hagen. He’s taken the Water of Life!
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Jul 10, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah what a big con Jack… I mean it’s not like our staff has the best ERA in baseball.. oh wait. Oh what about FIP… oh umm.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Jul 10, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I swear to God, I thought this was the kooky guy who was Lou Dobbs’ sidekick on CNN from a few years ago. Thankfully, it isn’t the same dude.
A proud member of the Church of BaseBa'al
by WanderingMoses on Jul 10, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
So the Braves are still stuck on 9,999 wins through the all-star break. Total record is now 9,999-9,992.
OMG 10,000 losses.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 10, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There will be a pool.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 10, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point
Ever since we lost 10,000 they have had to chase us.
I felt like I thought it hit me - Chase Utley
Another thing the Phillies are better at than the Braves. Losers! Oh, wait…
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 11, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Question
Any idea as to how our rotation resets after the All Star Break?
other tidbits
Monday: Blanton to throw bullpen, Lidge to make fourth rehab appearance
Wednesday: Madson to make first rehab appearance
Friday: Oswalt to be evaluated in New York
Potentially getting a healthy Oswalt back for that September dash would be a major plus to this team
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 10, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting those 5 names back action are bigger than any trade RAJ could pull off.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jul 11, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Hell of a way to end a series.
These games have been suitably epic, and well worth the trip. Now I get to relax and see more sights about the city for a couple days. Great times indeed.
I’ve seen this movie before – replacement/utility player joins front office of ball club he played for, works his way to GM, builds the one of the most potent rotations in the history of the game.
Except he’ll be working for a team that will have to tighten the belt just to make payroll without having to take another loan from their TV rights holders…
A proud member of the Church of BaseBa'al
by WanderingMoses on Jul 10, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true….I guess that will happen when Orel and the Father of Our County (aka Steve Garvey) buy the team.
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by WanderingMoses on Jul 10, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Country*
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by WanderingMoses on Jul 10, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
True story – I was in Cooperstown when Steve Carlton was inducted, and I ran into Garvey (who was the editor of Sport Magazine at the time) in the men’s room, and got his autograph right after he finished drying his hands at the sink.
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by WanderingMoses on Jul 10, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t quite aware at the time (I was 13) about how much action those hands were part of. I just thought I was getting the autograph of a good first baseman. When I stepped out and told my parents whose autograph I had gotten, they sort of rolled their eyes and said ’let’s talk about him a little bit’.
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by WanderingMoses on Jul 10, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Still have the ball. Autograph is a little faded, but that is my connection to the Father of Our Country.
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by WanderingMoses on Jul 10, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Touche’. “Encounter” is probably not a good word either.
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by WanderingMoses on Jul 10, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a cool story, although Garvey is one of those people I can’t stand anything about and am thoroughly enjoying this fall from grace he’s having.
We are the Phightin' Irish
by Veni Vidi Vici on Jul 10, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He deserved his firing – can’t try to undermine the team while on the payroll….although Exxon still has a job.
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by WanderingMoses on Jul 11, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Credentials
Did Juan Castro go to Stanford? Is he Jewish? This might be a slightly different movie.
by phillyinportland on Jul 10, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Rumors are that the Mets are trying lockdown Reyes with a big contract. Please sign him, please sign him.
That would make my dad. And give me the lol’s for a solid week.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
to sir veza
But srsly, if that whole post was a "joke", your own people didn’t get it was a joke and took it 4 REALZ . Hell, you had people bandwagoning the idea that Chipper isn’t starting because (allegedly) people don’t like him? That’s the part where you phail.
Once again, let me explain to you what type of joke it was. The purpose of the joke (or “prank,” you could also call it) is to trick stupid Braves fans into taking it seriously and becoming unduly upset about it (just as you did, by the way). This does not logically mean that the post may not have any truth to it at all. Nor does it mean that a commenter necessarily acts unreasonably if he/she addresses the substance of the issues discussed in the post. It just means that the intended purpose was to provoke some idiots into getting angry, for the amusement of the non-idiots.
Therefore, the fact that other people seriously addressed the substance of the post does not mean that (a) the post could not have been a joke or a prank, or (b) the commenters didn’t recognize what the post was intended to accomplish. Commenters are allowed to reply to a post in any way they want to. If they want to play along, they can play along. If they want to have a side discussion about the issues touched on in the post, they may do that as well. If they want to fall right into the trap and attempt to troll the blog in response to a post that was specifically intended to provoke them into doing so, they may also do that – that would expose them as idiots, but that doesn’t mean they can’t do it.
As for my own education, the details of my life are quite inconsequential. I could just be a homeless person blogging from my local library. All I know is that I certainly seem to have a better grasp of basic logic and reading comprehension than you do. So if you’re planning on becoming a lawyer despite having less of a grasp of logic or reading comprehension than a homeless person or a cheesesteak shop employee, then you’re going to face some serious problems down the road in your professional life. Perhaps you should consider an early career change.
by taco pal on Jul 10, 2011 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
oh – i see it above. had skipped over that long exchange before, but now i see it.
by David S. Cohen on Jul 10, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
they opened it
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 10, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LULZ.
The problem with your whole post is the entire underlying premise is false. You can claim the posts I talk about are meant as “traps” all you want. They aren’t. Claiming they are “traps for idiots” is the cop-out. Don’t you get it? Stop being such a homer buddy. You can’t defend the indefensible.
I could care less about your life. You probably are some homeless dude at the library. I’m glad you pat yourself on the back and claim yourself to be the one with the superior logic. Instead of picking up some boxed wine, hit up nearest toy store and buy you a championship belt and write “LOGIK CHAMP” on it with a Sharpie®.
I noticed you do have a problem with people of higher education though. DId you lose your girlfriend to a nerd or something as a kid? Mad that you couldn’t get into community college? Whatever the reason, you should consider a shrink. Just as I know nothing of you, you know nothing of me. I’m comfortable with my academic and life achievements.
I don’t need to troll other people’s profiles for low-brow insults.
Keep proving my point through bro. You can’t stand not having the last word.
Let me show you how it’s done. I’m out. :)
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
A sense of humor is a terrible thing to waste, tovarich.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 10, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You probably are some homeless dude at the library.
BUSTED!
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 10, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you need to sleep by the reference books? I use those sometimes, you know. Especially the steel structural manuals. The last thing I need is to be looking up the tensile strength of an ASTM shape and find an empty ‘40’ instead.
Gotta love how this kid keeps mentioning the last word. He’s literally begging taco pal to keep paying attention to him.
Yeah, you really might not want to be trying the whole “higher education” thing on this site, with this editorial staff.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Jul 10, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
OH NOEZ
Interwebz iz srs biznes nao!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, THIS editorial staff is like Steven Hawkins smart y0.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
113 comments on TGP, all of them quality.
by philsandthrills on Jul 11, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
For one thing, one of us is a law professor who graduated with honors from Columbia Law School. You are a law student at an inferior law school.
ahahahhaha
Since you brought it up, is it you?
Secondly, you don’t know WHAT school I go to. Georgia has 5 law schools. 3 of which are ranked in the top 60 in the nation. That’s what? 60% chance of one of those schools, no?
Third, you don’t know how well I’m doing. Well, I guess you do since you brought up law review.
Fourth, where does this (alleged) law professor teach and what subject(s)? Adjunct or associate professor? How did they rank in Columbia?
You wanna break out the Authority Card? I’ll be your Huckleberry.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
That’s the lowest number. Emory is much higher. Counting not your strength?
Do you even know how many law schools there are? Let me guess, said “professor” (who you aren’t going to out anyway so I don’t believe you to begin with) teaches at some 4th-tier school in Wisconsin or Idaho I’m guessing. Good for them, nothing wrong with that.
They have a saying:
“A” students become law professors
“B” students become Judges
“C” students become rich.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
I’m sure you’ll be able to become a law professor with ease then, if you so choose. How many law professors out there do you think graduated from Emory?
Don’t know. I’d imagine as many as there wanted to be.
The path to law professor is one mainly of academia. Being on law review, being published, and graduating from a top tier or 2nd tier school. It’s not the same direction as say a person who wanted to practice mass tort litigation.
International litigation is a strong point at Emory. They tend to encourage alums to enter into big-firms, especially with King and Spalding having it’s HQ in Atlanta. There’s also Kilpatrick, Stockton and also Alston and Byrd.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
I’m just going to drop this particular topic. I am certainly not the law professor and I rather regret bringing it up. The point is that you shouldn’t feel too confident about insulting the academic credentials of strangers from where you stand.
You’re the one who started it. Don’t act like you weren’t the first to reference it.
And you for sure as hell shouldn’t have brought it up, ESPECIALLY, if it wasn’t your business to bring up in the first place.
I accepted your little pissing contest and you lost.
As far as whoever the law professor is (if they even exist), I’m glad for them. That’s not an easy accomplishment.
There are also millions of people who do work I could never do (electricians, mechanics, HVAC guys, etc) who didn’t need a $200,000 degree to do their job and be damn good at it.
Had you not brought up my own personal business, I wouldn’t have done it. With that being said, we should let this mini-topic tree die and get back to fighting about stuff that really matters. I can agree to that!
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
No, I wasn’t. I said you exhibited poor logic and reading comprehension, which would probably make you a bad lawyer. You were the first person to bring up the credentials issue.
You didn’t need to bring up my career. You did it on purpose to make a point.
Like I said, we can let it die. You lost. It happens.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
I suppose I didn’t. I do stand by that point however. But I retract anything I said about your school. The truth is, I would say the same thing to you even if you went to Harvard or Yale or wherever. It isn’t about what school one attends – there are lots of dummies who go to “top schools” in whatever field, and there are lots of very capable people who go to schools that get less respect.
by taco pal on Jul 11, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
THIS (rec'd)
I agree with you 100%.
I could say some choice things about some Harvard people I’ve come across. One of the 1Ls was a Harvard undergrad and is a complete tool. The only reason he’s in my school is because he was a Harvard undergrad.
This feeling of mutual understanding is awkward. Quick, make fun of Derek Lowe!
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
You lost. It happens.
The way lawyers admit they’ve lost.
The Good Phight, Big Black Kids, and now NotGraphs. Fun!
by FuquaManuel on Jul 11, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have nothing against lawyers. Really. I’m sure they need more down there in Georgia, what with all the hill folk and all. You’ll be a great one, for sure.
So please, fugite in malam crucem.
Philly isn’t exactly the “City of Brotherly Love” from what I hear from my buddy at Temple Univ.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
I’ve never been in a city where everyone was loving and wonderful. I don’t think one exists.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Hey fuck you buddy, I’m a Temple alum.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 11, 2011 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I really hate to chime in and sound bitter. First let me say y’all gave us the business today and really won handily in what had previously been a close serious. Good win for y’all going into the ASB but we all know who the other team should be looking out for, and with that knowledge is an understanding that the conclusion to our rivalry this year is far from over.
On the joke part. I understand that it was a joke, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t intended maliciously. It wasn’t a joke because it was so far from the truth, and displaying such ignorance that it had an ironic effect. Instead, you intended it in the type of way that someone intends a racist joke (though I understand the gap in severity, but I hope you see my point.) Putting it under the banner of “joke” doesn’t make it less hateful, nor does it mean that it is less representative of the feelings of certain Phillies fans.
If you can honestly tell me that not a single person on this blog actually thinks the things outlined in the “Reasons we hate the Braves” post then I will have to understand that our senses of humor differ and that obviously time on TGP gives you some sort of collective understanding of a joke (though the post outlined some very serious things, like A DUI-alleged and dropped, domestic violence, and adultery.) I could see how they could be made into a joke, because aside from the tone of this post I really don’t take much seriously-to my own peril.
But where was the punch-line? If the punch-line was that we have personalized our hatred and have decided that certain people can’t escape hatred because of something like being a fallible human then I think we should reconsider what a joke means. But any punch-line that centers on hate seems like a pretty weak joke to me…
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
To be clear – my Chipper post about Polanco making the all-star game was NOT a joke. It may have been written in a bit of an over-the-top manner, but it was not a joke.
by David S. Cohen on Jul 10, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly!
My problem with it is that people were defending it as a joke.
If your assertion is people hate Chipper and like Polanco — that’s fine. When called out on it, back it up or acknowledge it’s baseless. That’s all I’m saying.
There’s no need to defend the post as a “joke” when it clearly wasn’t.
*I wouldn’t be surprised if the post I’m responding to is called a joke later on down the line.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
I get that, and I think the hyperbole came from the fact that you recognize he is a good player and that is the grounds for much of the hatred. Though I think you are wrong, I understand it and think it was far less malicious than throwing around claims of racism and immorality.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I said repeatedly in the post that he is an amazing player – one of the best third basemen ever. To me, not being voted in to the All-Star game in his last year, as such an amazing player amidst such a weak field, is evidence that people out there hate him.
by David S. Cohen on Jul 10, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Hate is a strong word though.
He’s not putting up any “WOW” numbers this year. HRs and AVG is down from what they usually are. The one category he’s done fairly well in is RBIs.
I think you may have even mentioned the point that he (Chipper) isn’t having numbers where people go “Oh yeah! Chipper Jones is having a great year!”
To just assume it’s hate, based on absolutely nothing besides the fact he isn’t starting, is dubious at best.
Any player or manager quotes to back it up? Anything besides obvious Philly/Braves biases?
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
Your’s isn’t the post I’m referring to. I’m referring to the post by liz counting reasons to hate the Braves. The only response I would have to your post is that there wasn’t must justification for the the baseball community at large’s hatred for Chipper besides his good playing. You even highlighted this when you said something to the effect of “and that’s why I don’t put much store in AS selections,” which left me unsure of what the purpose of the article was besides highlighting an injustice to an admittedly good player.
Also, Chipper isn’t really my favorite Brave, though I don’t actively dislike him, so don’t mistake this for trying to “defend his honor,” because it really is meant more as an intellectual discussion.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Agreed – Liz’s post was a fan of one team explaining why she hates her team’s rival. Do you expert her to like the Braves?
by David S. Cohen on Jul 10, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It personalized the hatred of a team and focused it on a few human beings. It seemed akin to celebrating the injury of a player. Also, you might think that it got me all worked up. It really didn’t. I’m just overly litigious and enjoy a good discussion.
The part that I am a little sensitive to is the assumption that people in the South are all redneck racists (a sentiment that exists in popular culture to the point that it must be believed by a few people, and I think that you must admit a large part of the people here see the South as backwards and stupid, which is really off-base) But that’s as far as it bothered me personally, I just felt it bad form.
You can talk about the rivalry’s key parts, you can talk about the swing in dominance from the 90s and mid 2000s to the Phillies current run. You can go at it a lot of ways, but personal attacks seem like the low road to me. Do you disagree?
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Sorry, that’s ludicrous. Making fun of Dan Uggla’s uniform is akin to celebrating an injury? Come on.
You really think that is the part I was talking about? That was only included because apparently liz’s hatred is limited by her creativity apparently. I was talking about the Chipper is an adulterer, Lowe is a drunk, Bobby is a wife-beater. It is borderline libelous in certain parts.
But I won’t go into more detail because if you want to respond contextually you know exactly what parts of liz’s post I was referring to, so my response is above.,
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
How is it libelous? I’m pretty sure truth is a defense to libel.
by taco pal on Jul 10, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
TC posters seem to be vehemently and rabidly defensive of their sacred cows, be it their racist chant, wife-beating ex manager, or douchebag of a third baseman.
by RaptorLC on Jul 10, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You know, it is possible to get joy from discussing something you enjoy intellectually even if it might make it difficult for some people to fully appreciate and participate in. But I guess the thing I am responding to shows that you do not, in fact, understand that point.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Some people on this planet don’t like your team. It’s apparent that you do not, in fact, understand that point.
I just think that the low road shouldn’t be taken so quickly.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Tell this to your own folks:
Most Phillies fans are too weak minded to even know the difference between hate and like…
You guys take pride in being pricks! At least you’re good at something!
Enjoy being swept today.
Your time is coming real soon.. Just wait till all your "old" players go off to retirement… Can’t wait! Then you’ll be the same old phillies…
by Gjmoody on Jul 10, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I was mistaken about the Lowe part being in there, but he was cleared of the DUI and the charges were dropped. She also said that Bobby Cox is “beating up on his beloved wife” which is in the present tense, implying that he is beating her on a regular basis or has done it recently. Considering she is referring to a case that she is really largely uninformed about, making the assumption that he is he “Beating up on his beloved wife” is libelous, partly because it was intended maliciously, partly because it is untrue in it’s finer points. Also, what an incredibly personal comment on a baseball blog
And you know that the libel wasn’t the primary point, it was the personal attacks and my point remains unchallenged.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
She also said that Bobby Cox is "beating up on his beloved wife" which is in the present tense, implying that he is beating her on a regular basis or has done it recently.
Below is the actual quote.
When he wasn’t arguing some pointless call he didn’t like and getting ejected (or beating up on his beloved wife), I was mostly convinced he was dead in the dugout.
What is your point? Let’s simplify that sentence:
“When he wasnt getting ejected (or beating up on his beloved wife,) I was mostly convinced he was dead in the dugout.”
Nothing in the part I omitted changes the sentence above.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
hint: he isn’t in the dugout any more and that is what the wasn’t is indicating.
You think I’m the one getting caught in arguments?
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Are you seriously claiming that this sentence:
When he wasn’t arguing some pointless call he didn’t like and getting ejected (or beating up on his beloved wife), I was mostly convinced he was dead in the dugout.
…says that Bobby Cox is currently beating up his wife?
No it is saying that he did it more than once, or that he had a habit of doing it. It is really basic stuff dude.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
(a) You changed your position after being caught in a falsehood again
(b) You’re just wrong. It doesn’t say he did it more than once. Learn to speak English, man.
Sigh. I really didn’t. But at least I have a position, you constantly miss the forest for the trees.
The point you might be referring to is that I said some parts of it were libelous, and her implying that it happened more than once is a falsehood (which was your first argument)
Please feel free to point out how I was wrong, or better yet, try to respond comprehensively rather than trying to win irrelevant points.
And to your second point: I’m sorry but you really don’t know what you are talking about.
The past part of it referred to the fact that he is no longer managing. Beating is a present verb. Meaning she didn’t say that he at one time beat his wife. It is really obvious HS stuff man.
She was saying that he was either busy arguing calls (not once but multiple times in keeping with the -ing part, which I know is tricky for you) getting ejected, or he was too busy beating his way and this is how she knew he wasn’t dead in the clubhouse.
What part of this don’t you get?
And consider yourself proven wrong, and if anyone here is a phillies fan maybe they can explain to him how verbs work.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Wow. Really got caught on that one, brah.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Jul 10, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
blahahah!
I see you over at TC crying and they told you to grow up and have thicker skin…HA!
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 10, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
“It is also confirming that Phillies fans are really demented and sick people, and the exceptions, the ones who do not actively participate in the hate allow it.”
Hahahaha.
by philsandthrills on Jul 10, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Now who’s making generalizations?
Ugh, this just reminds me of the “ballplayers we hate” post that got all the NYY fans panties in bunches and all the Met fans came on here, though it was hilarious, and wondered why there weren’t more Mets.
Met fans get it.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I admitted that there were exceptions, but that in light of the personalized hate they were few. And those exceptions completely allowed the demented and sick hate of a human being to help fuel hate of a sports team.
Also, that doesn’t sound much like crying. Sounds pretty well thought out and logical to me.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
You are just flat out ridiculous.
Do you seriously not realize what a giant hypocrite you are?
by philsandthrills on Jul 10, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I did admit in my post that there were exceptions, and I said in another post that most Phillies fans are decent human beings, though you didn’t seem to find that one.
However, if you have a problem with personalized hate then why didn’t you say so in the 5 reasons to hate the braves post?
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I understand exactly how it works. Maybe I just figured that you guys would be all about personal hatred linking to sports hate, at least that’s what you keep telling me.
I also said that many Phillies fans are decent human beings (despite having the flaw of being a Phillies fan) so it doesn’t sound like I’m being that stereotypical huh? Anyway, I was talking largely about TGP, which is apparently a place to hate human beings in order to feed fanhood. Something not unlike the rabid and demented Phillies fans that some people in the media characterize.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Dude, get off the soapbox. One post about hating a few Braves players because they are good ballplayers—if perhaps not the most sparking human beings—does not make this a place to hate “human beings in order to feed fanhood”.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
No doubleh, it does. GumpBrave has looked into our souls and he has seen the darkness within TGP, the darkness that spawns hate.
by philsandthrills on Jul 10, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I have and I now need a thorough bath. Perhaps Chase Utley’s wife can help?
Did I do that right?
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
You’re getting there. Still fell flat though.
by philsandthrills on Jul 11, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Crying? I was opining, and did so rather emotionlessly. I just don’t understand it and think that it speaks volumes about the people over here. It was just an observation, and the conclusion was a contrast with TC.
And grow up is obviously not my problem when I am arguing the immaturity of hating a human being in sports.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Speaks volumes “about the people over here”? WTF does that mean?
That reeks of generalization. You don’t know me or tacopal or anyone over here. Just because someone makes sarcastic post and we have a good laugh, regardless of its roots, does not make us the devil incarnate.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Lighten up Francis!
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 10, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I know you might disagree, but I really don’t take it personally. As I said before, I’ve been called overly litigious and rightly so. I enjoy a good discussion and my disagreement might have made me a bit too intense. Also the group-think I’m running into and people calling me a “liar” instead of making a cogent and responsive post is draining me a bit of my sense of humor.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Sigh, stick to the facts bud. You only seem able to make personal attacks so I’ll go ahead and count you out of what I hoped to be an intelligent discussion. Noted.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I am indeed a liar. I never expected an intelligent discussion after all, it was just a ruse to see how many words taco pal knows. The answer: 93
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
by GumpBrave on Jul 10, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Braves fans often tell us to go throw up on someone or throw a snowball at Santa. Even someone above told us to go back to the cheesesteak shop. What’s the difference?
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
First of all, the snowball at Santa is harmless. But I see your point, and I told him to settle down and I don’t approve of his behavior. But that also isn’t a personal attack on someone he has never met personally, nor is working at a cheesesteak shop as personal and malicious as bringing up dark times in someone’s past and using it as a reason for hating a baseball team.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Snowball at Santa, while it may be harmless, is signifier of a greater “thing,” which is representative of the Philly fan persona. We have been browbeaten with these terminologies for decades now. This shit happened in 196-fucking-8 and people can’t stop talking about it. Cheesesteaks are just more of the same tomahawk chop stuff which is just tired and played out, yes? Sometimes we like to go to the well, too.
This place is just different than what you are used to; we like our humor very dark. We don’t say anything about another team that we wouldn’t say about our own. We also don’t say anything to other posters we wouldn’t (and haven’t) said to our own. Some can come on here and say we are using that it’s a joke “cop out,” but if you are here every day, you know it certainly isn’t a cop out.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Seriously, how often do we joke about Pat Burrell’s sexual exploits? That’s dark humor if I’ve ever seen it.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 10, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares about celebrating an injury anyway
You know you wanna sweep it Johnny, everybody’s doing it Johnny – SWEEP! SWEEP! SWEEP! SWEEP! SWEEP! SWEEP! SWEEP! SWEEP! SWEEP! SWEEP!
by j reed on Jul 10, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So I just went back and read the post again. Where in the post does she say that all Southerners are rednecks?
She didn’t. I was also largely talking about the comments section spawned by her post (which she must accept some responsibility for.) And also, do you disagree that many Northerners and more specifically, Phillies fans, feel this way?
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
You are focusing too much on the small parts and have missed the bulk of my argument. Many of the comments talked about racism, which is an easy assumption made of the South by the North and is definitely part of being a “redneck” or a “hick” in my mind.
But answer this, do you think that people in the North and in Philly disagree that most/all Southerners are rednecks?
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
No, I think what’s happening here is that you’re making a lot of factual statements that are false and then shifting your position everything you’re caught. I answered your question below.
What are you talking about? I am forced to shift my position because you only talk about the part of my argument that you think you can refute. The rest you just ignore. My position isn’t shifting, but your ground to stand on is really tightening.
Here is the post about rednecks:
as a member for 3 Civil war roundtables here in VA
I get the whole SOUTHERN thing. I am Yankee through and through and my ancestors fought and died for the Union and to end slavery . My southern friends accept me when they see my love for the CW is real even though we disagree about everything about the CW. Folks here in the Upper South are fair more considerate and polite than my northern family and friends and most of them here in VA NC KY and TN — the Uper south — even have most of their own Teeth and they do not sex with their own family members. .
But when I see a post like the one above that MORON braves fan made … well I am so glad my man Bill Sherman marches though ATL and burnt that sucker to the ground
Mr. Mayor, we’re talking real wrath of God type stuff… Fire & brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers & seas boiling! 40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes. .The dead rising from the grave…Human sacrifice, dogs cats living together…. Mass Hysteria!
by VAwxman on Jul 8, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
And lots of them mentioned racism. Please don’t tell me I’m not making factual statements when you are really being non-responsive in the first place.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Is it really your position that anyone who criticizes a Southerner or group of Southerners of racism is, in fact, being prejudiced against the South?
Dude, you keep missing my point and minimizing the argument to the speculative and irrelevant. You said at one point that such a post about rednecks didn’t exist in the comment section. Your example to the contrary is above.
I think that such a prejudice exists in the country as a whole and generally derives from racism. Those who have experiences will largely not have this view. It is just something I am sensitive to, as you might be sensitive to people assuming you are going to vomit on someone because you are at the stadium cheering hard.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Quibble here, but a major point socially: “Redneck” isn’t a race. “Redneck” such as it is a classification, is a point of class difference.
Let me tell you, TGP does not have any lack of class consciousness.
Whoop, sorry doubleh, I really didn’t mean to backwards troll there. My hassle was with GumpBrave’s suggestion that one can be “racist” against Rednecks, which is on its face a categorical problem.
I’m focused on class from a professional and academic standpoint; didn’t mean to irritate by rolling it over.
Reading comprehension fail. I said that assumptions of racism and assumptions of being a redneck are largely intertwined.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Not really. Unless you’re suggesting that black people, for instance, get tagged with the same kind of stereotypes as “Rednecks,” you’re talking about two categories. The “Redneck” stereotype is a stereotype about poor people — poor people aren’t a race, they’re a class.
To whit, you can argue for better conditions for African Americans as a race; you can’t argue for better conditions for the poor, since, if they got those conditions, they’d no longer be poor. It’s a pretty important distinction, but it’s also a bit of a split hair.
I never said that they were the same thing. I said that many people assume that rednecks are racists. How is that hard to understand?
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
No problem man. I can understand why you would disagree with the premise that rednecks are a race. I think the KKK had that thought once….
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Nah. I was trying to say that the KKK might think that redneck is a race (and a proud superior race or whatever their hateful doctrine was) and so I understand why you would want to refute that argument…
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Dude, do you know there’s a very large faction of KKK right here in Reading, PA?
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I once stumbled upon a Klan meeting in a Bucks County park when I was 4. Full regalia and everything. Scared the crap out of me.
"There is no dark side in the moon, really. Matter of fact it's all dark."
by alcatraz0109 on Jul 10, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? Wow. How does that work? I’m not familiar with Reading and this is news to me and interesting from a social stand-point.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Not sure of the social reasons, save that PA is deeply conservative and, at least in certain pockets, deeply racist.
My dad calls it Pennsyltucky, which seems like the best explanation on a certain level.
Kentucky is actually considered a border South state by many political scientists. There is also a really interesting theory that the rest of hte country is becoming “Southernized” in a lot of ways. I wouldn’t do it justice but much has been written on the subject.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Though, you did say:
I think that such a prejudice exists in the country as a whole and generally derives from racism.
When you say “derive” there, the implication is that the discrimination is a one-and-one equivalency. That’s where my complaint lies.
I just stated it badly. All I meant is that racism is one of the main assumptions made of a “redneck” and that in the country many people think that racist and redneck are synonymous.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
This sounds like Walter Benn Michaels’ argument. Do you know him? You are in Chicago, right?
The Good Phight, Big Black Kids, and now NotGraphs. Fun!
Haha, you nailed it. It’s Michaels’ argument rehearsed to a T — had him last semester in prosem and will be doing a reading group with him this year. Hard to avoid his influence at UIC.
For what it’s worth, it’s the one bit of his thinking that I strongly agree with. I’m still parsing the rest — he’s a really smart guy, but the polemical style he uses makes it easy to distort his arguments in problematic directions. Suffice it to say, I’m not entirely on board with his analysis of race and intention, but I’m not sure I couldn’t be.
You said at one point that such a post about rednecks didn’t exist in the comment section.
When did I say that? You’re a liar.
You did say that “all Southerners were rednecks” but I wasn’t talking about how you were all saying the stereotype was categorical but just that it was there.
And you said there was no such comment referring to rednecks, and I caught you in a falsehood above.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
And you said there was no such comment referring to rednecks, and I caught you in a falsehood above.
When did I say that? Quote me.
I just read all the comments again. Which commenter said that all Southerners are rednecks?
by taco pal on Jul 10, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
If we are going to get into the minutia though, I technically never said that it existed specifically in the comments. In fact I said it was an “Assumption” meaning I felt that it was a sentiment in the mind of the posters. I even admitted that perhaps I am overly sensitive and could be wrong.
Why is it that you changed the argument away from a joke after I made an intelligent response to the contrary? Who is changing their position after all? I think that is why you made the argument so quickly, because that is the only way you know how to argue.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
ZOMG! WHAT A LIAR! I THINK I’LL FRAME MY NEXT 7 POSTS ACCORDINGLY SO I DON’T HAVE TO HAVE AN ORIGINAL THOUGHT! YIPPEE HURRAH! oooh a butterfly…..
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Personal attack.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 11, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
You say that like you either a) think you made a joke or that b) that means anything. I think you are trying to insist on the differences in communities here but there is a lot of fail flying through the air this evening..
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
No, I’m not trying to make a joke. I’m simply pointing out that you are resorting to name calling.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 11, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
And if their stereotypes are unwarranted and considered categorical then it would be prejudice. Hypothetically..just so you don’t try to create a loophole..
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
As for VAwxman, that’s one guy, whose comment was barely coherent, who rarely posts here and who wasn’t backed up by anyone else. Try harder.
I am not a liar, you said it was that all southerners are rednecks, I was saying that the stereotype existed in the comments section. It’s not a lie, it is you changing the argument, and doing so very ineffectively because you ignored most of the thing.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
liar
I am not a liar, you said it was that all southerners are rednecks, I was saying that the stereotype existed in the comments section.
The part that I am a little sensitive to is the assumption that people in the South are all redneck racists
And where did I say that that existed? Did I specify comment or post? No I didn’t, I felt it was a sentiment in the mind of many fans and was a pervading issue.
Many have said I was wrong, and I am glad to hear the sentiment doesnt’ exist largely. Here is my original post:
The part that I am a little sensitive to is the assumption that people in the South are all redneck racists (a sentiment that exists in popular culture to the point that it must be believed by a few people, and I think that you must admit a large part of the people here see the South as backwards and stupid, which is really off-base) But that’s as far as it bothered me personally, I just felt it bad form.
When I am saying that anyone here posted that? I just said I’m sensitive to it, obviously overly sensitive. But you pulled it out of context and twisted it. You seem like a liar to me.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I’ll simplify it taco pal:
Reading comprehension fail.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Many of the comments talked about racism, which is an easy assumption made of the South by the North and is definitely part of being a "redneck" or a "hick" in my mind.
So anytime somebody criticizes a Southerner for racism (even racism against an ethnic group that the South is not associated with being racist against), then that’s actually prejudice against the Southerner for being Southern? I’m so sorry, I didn’t realize that you were the victims in all of this.
Look, I appreciate your ability to argue the minutia. But you are responding to a tiny part of a large argument. And this part was preceded by me implying that I might be overly sensitive. It was neither the bulk nor the spirit of the argument, so if you want to actually have a decent conversation let’s admit that it is part assumption and part minimal evidence and move on to the meat of the argument.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Can you repeat the “meat of the argument” again? It’s gone through so many changes in the course of this thread that I can no longer follow it. What is it now?
There are no changes besides the ones you tried to make. My argument wasn’t about libel and it wasn’t about stereotypes. It was about personalizing the hate of a team by hating a specific human being, and that that is the low road. I imagine that you didn’t miss it, but couldn’t respond intelligently to it so picked the small points in which you could and tried to spin it.
Anyway, it is the big initial post I made, you know the one that you responded to by asking a non-responsive single question to.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
And my middle finger is a small part of my large body.
We are the Phightin' Irish
by Veni Vidi Vici on Jul 10, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
For what it's worth
I’m Chinese, and when I go down to the South (Virginia, Atlanta, South Carolina), I get so much shit from whites. I’ve been called a “chink” at least 20 times.
To answer your question, your average “Sal from the Northeast” Phillies fan doesn’t have any thoughts about the South one way or the other. Most of the critical comments you’ll hear about the South come from a fairly small segment of educated fans. Very few of them will say that all Southerners are rednecks or racists or anything else. They may say that Southern society as a whole is more racist or more unjust than Northern society, but that statement is not out of bounds – it’s an empirical statement that can fairly be debated on its merits.
I was born in the south—also have quite a bit of family there. We have just as many rednecks in Central PA as they do in the South. Ours just aren’t as “fancy” and don’t do their own comedy tours.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I’m glad to know that stereotype doesn’t exist widely and I’ll step back from that part of the argument because it was largely assumed. But I still have a lot to say about the subject that is unanswered above. I really do appreciate the sentiment though and, for the sake of fairness, I don’t think that every Philly fan is a rabid demon or something.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
i am a southerner. i was raised in philly but now have a southern drawl, use ‘yall’ and like sweet tea. i live in atlanta.
however, i love my phillies to death and am not a redneck. i also dont remember her saying that either.
"This team (Philadelphia Eagles) gives me the best chance of winning a Super Bowl."
-Michael Vick #7
The part that I am a little sensitive to is the assumption that people in the South are all redneck racists (a sentiment that exists in popular culture to the point that it must be believed by a few people, and I think that you must admit a large part of the people here see the South as backwards and stupid, which is really off-base) But that’s as far as it bothered me personally, I just felt it bad form.
God knows Philly fans never have to deal with broad, sweeping generalizations like that.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
And it’s a damn good thing that those generalizations have never been published on TC!
Oh, wait…
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Jul 10, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I have never seen any of these generalizations without a specific incident that happened in the park, and they certainly aren’t posted on the front page as a rambling doctrine of hate. But of course most of those people have had zero interaction with people from Philly, though the internet makes that a strange distinction, like I have. Hence why I won’t make that assumption.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I don’t buy those generalizations. DirtyWaters and I had a few very civil conversations so I understand that you are not all the devils that some people paint you to be. But posts making personal comments about professional athletes morality doesn’t seem like a great way to break that mold
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
And I realize that when some people use these generalizations they are making a joke or we are in the midst of a heated series, so I don’t take them seriously.
As for the baseball players’ lives themselves, please. They are celebrities and open targets. When our own players do dumb shit, we’re the first ones to jump all over them. Brett Myers, for instance.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Yes, but it is incredibly naive to think that, because they are celebrities that they are somehow expected to be perfect. I am sure that almost all of us would fail at that, and I am also sure that all of us wouldn’t want to be hated because of a mistake that was made.
And while it is true that they live in, to a certain extent, a fishbowl, that doesn’t give you the right to judge. I understand that you might want to reserve that right. That is fine too, but it certainly is a silly way to outline hate, because of the mistakes of a few human beings. Not to mention the fact that all of the things mentioned happened long ago and are really not even necessarily relevant to the human beings in question.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
It’s not really hate, though. It’s sports hate. There is a difference in my world and from experience. It’s fleeting and in the moment. It doesn’t linger.
Nobody expects these guys to be perfect; quite frankly, it’s better when they are not. Gives us more fuel for heckling at the ballpark. ;-)
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I see that, it just seemed to have personal malice. And to actually hate a human being as a function of fandom just seems ridiculous to me.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Sports hate =/= personal malice.
If it is, someone is losing their grip on reality.
I “hate” Cody Ross the player, but I don’t know or care about Cody Ross the person.
by philsandthrills on Jul 10, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s amazing that this needs to be spelled out.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Jul 10, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it isn’t, so why imply that someone is a wife beater, or an adulterer or a drunk? What is that necessary or valuable to sports hate?
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Ding, ding, ding. Same reason why people laugh at Brittney Spears and her train wreck of a life. It’s called schaudenfreude. It’s not particularly highbrow art form of humor, but it’s funny and a nice break from the daily who’s on the DL post link dump.
Maybe we need another hyperlink poem on this topic to counterbalance the negativity. WL?
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
That’s fine that you think it’s funny. I just have a different sense of humor. But us not sharing a sense of humor, or my thought that a discussion should extent behind groundless assumptions taht someone is a liar because you tried to frame them as such, doesn’t mean we can’t have a common ground. I understand this is your place, but sense the hatred is directed at my team I appreciate y’all being willing to tolerate an argument to the contrary (some of you at least..)
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Little GumpBrave blew...
he needed the money….OOOOHHH!
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 10, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
are you like a pastor for wayward children?
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 10, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, but I imagine that is a booming business in Philly?
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
You’re implying that Philly has loads of wayward children. Personal attack.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 11, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
A smackdown so nice, I Rec’d it twice.
(Note to Barves fans: That is a joke. You can only rec things one time.)
The Good Phight, Big Black Kids, and now NotGraphs. Fun!
by FuquaManuel on Jul 11, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ineffable Influences Report
OK. I own the handsome 1940s Bakelite Phillies Mojo Rotary Switch, surprisingly effective since its purchase at an East Falls flea market June 2009 for one dollar. Today, important game Hamels vs Hateds. Was out of state all day in Mets/Yankees territory. Before leaving our territory, set Switch to ON at 8 AM for entire day. Have never done that before, entire day. Placed Switch on small “Go Phils” pennant next to TV. Recorded game. Returned home 7 PM, watched game. Whoooooaaaa! Just sayin’.
I felt like I thought it hit me - Chase Utley
Sports Hate
Do people really not understand the difference between real hate and sports hate?
I sports hate the shit out of Derek Jeter, for instance, but I’m happy for him and his accomplishment. He’s a hell of a ballplayer (but you won’t see me DVR’ing the HBO doc), even if he is on the downside of his career. I’m not up late sewing voodoo dolls or anything. Not plotting his demise. I don’t cheer injury. I don’t point at his ridiculous contract and laugh (secretly worrying we won’t be able to sign Rollins this offseason, but I digress).
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
by doubleh on Jul 10, 2011 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
DEREK JEETER MUST B KILLD!!!!1
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Jul 10, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s fine if it is really like that. But I’ve asked before, do you really think that not a single person on this blog actually deeply hates Chipper Jones or Tim Hudson in a way that is beyond sports hate? If you don’t think that is true then I am largely off-base, but no one here has contradicted that statement.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I am largely off-base
Finally, the truth is out.
by RaptorLC on Jul 10, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Earmuffs taco pal, wouldn’t want to confuse you…
It was a conditional statement.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Wow, you truly are oblivious to everything around you, aren’t you? And here I was thinking that you’re just really bad at trolling like the other kid from TC that’s been posting here.
I still think you are really bad at posting and writing. Writing isn’t even a good word for it. It’s like doodling with letters..
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
My joke was way better and original too. Nice try, thanks for playing.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Honestly, I can’t answer for other people, but if someone actually feels that sports hate translate over to real hate…well, isn’t that the same thing as saying someone who plays violent video games will turn out to be a serial killer? It’s all about the individual.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
That’s fine, then why frame your sports hate around questions of immorality? If that is a crux of your sports hate then you are doing it wrong.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I don’t think so. A lot of people hate Barry Bonds because of his steroid use and combined with the fact that he’s not very nice to the fans, use that to fuel their sports hate. He also killed teams for years. It becomes a snowball (har har) effect if you will.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Fair enough, and there are a lot of good jokes to be made.
You know what I think the problem is. I think that liz just isn’t funny. I am willing to concede, after talking to you all more, that it might have been intended as a joke (though the intent was malicious) but it just isn’t funny. I can very much laugh at myself (its an important part of life) and my team (because it is really a small bump in the landscape of my life) but it just wasn’t very funny.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I’m sure that wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that the joke was on your team, which you take overly seriously.
No dude it just wasn’t funny. You mean to say that saying that someone was “beating his wife” is funny to you? Where is the punch line? It is just a ridiculous observation that apparently has intrinsic value. Now ask yourself why you think it is inherently funny for Bobby Cox to be beating his wife? It isn’t. She just has a bad sense of humor so it came off as poor garbage.
If you were to have made a joke about Bobby giving the umpires the “wife treatment” then that is a joke. See how that works? Really wasn’t hard, liz just isn’t very funny obviously.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
If it is so funny then why wasn’t it framed as a joke, but merely a statement of fact. The joke is that he looked dead. The “beating his wife” which isn’t true because it implies that it happened more than once and in fact, was a primary way to know that he wasnt dead, just isn’t funny.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Senses of humor vary between people and between supporters of sports teams, so don’t get worked up over it.
Has any post I made sounded overly emotional? I’ve been more even-keeled than half of the respondents so I dont know where you get this idea from.
Also, he was never convicted, but keep stating it as a fact, and even better, imply that it is chronic.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I assume he’s seen the avalanche of posts you’ve left in your wake. That’s probably why he thinks you’re worked up.
As you go through life you’re going to run into people with different tastes than you. It sucks, yeah, but you gotta keep on keepin on.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Jul 10, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
If you can idolize a wife beater, we can mock you for it.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 10, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s some serious allegations. We should start an investigation.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Jul 10, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't personally hate Chipper Jones.
If I saw him on the street, I would probably get excited because the dude’s kind of a legend.
But I will boo him at the ballpark. I will yell at him when I watch games on TV.
I realize that he’s human, made a mistake, and probably deeply regrets it. I feel the same way about his marital issues as I would if a Phillie did the same thing. I wouldn’t like it, because adultery is wrong, but I’m not gonna spit on the guy. When he gets into the HoF, I might even be a little happy for him, just out of respect for his career.
I’m sure that I’m in the majority here. No sane person hates Chipper Jones as a human being. Seriously. I would think that anyone who does is deeply disturbed.
The “why I hate the Braves” post was meant as dark humor and hyperbolic sarcasm. Yes, it took cheap personal shots, but it was in no way meant to stir people to a frothing personal hatred. It may have been in poor taste. But it surely wasn’t meant to be taken as seriously as you or any others are taking it.
Okay.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 10, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think Joe Posnanski had a typically excellent post about this recently, using the example of LeBron James. The point is right on. My father in law and I were making similar jokes about Jeter yesterday.
There are probably levels of “sports hate”—I have much more animus for Larry Jones Jr and John Smoltz than I do for Jeter, because they seem like bigger assholes. And few if any ballplayers have irked me to the extent Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders did. But yeah, it’s not the way one might “hate” someone who personally wronged you, or even holds beliefs you find despicable. (That said, I’d be bothered by seeing Luke Scott on the Phillies.)
by dajafi on Jul 10, 2011 11:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Since I’m way late and this would be a wild thread jump, can I just express how absolutely baffling the varying uses of the word “subtlety” and “joke” are throughout? As if a joke is just poorly written and unfunny unless its punchline is painfully telegraphed or completely and fully legible within a literalist sense of humor. It’s like anthropology with a society that existed pre-humor — the Levi-Straussian in me is really excited.
Sarcasm and verbal irony is tough for some folks to detect. It’s all about tone. lol.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Well to be fair those “some folks” probably didn’t learn much in school. Other than Mountain Dew is delicious and the South was a peacefull NASCAR loving place until the North conquered it.
We are the Phightin' Irish
by Veni Vidi Vici on Jul 10, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Hah, you’re probably right. Still — I think, within the context of a Phillies blog, the tone might be a bit more recognizable. Go fig, haha.
Yeah, you’d think. This is why I don’t go to other blogs. Sometimes they write things I don’t want to read. And I think it’s hi-larious when opposing fans tell us how horrible we are when I’ve seen, heard and experienced same from their fanbase. Whatevs. Water off of the duck’s back.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Yeah, it’s interesting every so often, but it’s never anything I get upset about. Discourse around here is too interesting to stay stuck on the lame complaints.
Haha. I also like getting input from opposing fans most of the time. But the proper way to fight a post about “5 Reasons Why I Hate the Braves,” is to make your own 5 Reasons Why You Hate the Phillies and not just show indignance in a postgame thread.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
by doubleh on Jul 10, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yea, our blog wouldn’t do that is all. I kind of agree with you in this sense. But the personal attacks towards the morality of players is a little bit beyond hating a sports team in my mind.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
You really don’t understand what tongue-in-cheek is do you?
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 10, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I absolutely do understand it. Have you considered that maybe you guys aren’t very good at it. Monty Python is some of my favorite comedy and I like a dry sense of humor. But there is no hook to the comedy and I am having trouble believing that it was totally “tongue-in-cheek.” The way the humor was executed combined with the inordinate amount of time exercising your “sports hate” (which TC doesn’t come close to despite being a much bigger blog) just wasn’t very good.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Looks you better cry that someone laughed at something you don’t like harder somewhere else.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 10, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
TC is a bigger blog because there are hundreds of Phillies sports blogs, so let’s not start this “mine is bigger than yours” stuff.
I think TGP is the best of the Phillies blogs out there and there are some top notch sites.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I was just stating a fact on the size and the point is that even though there are more posts made at TC than on TGP, there are fewer comments about hating the Phillies. All I meant is that it doesn’t seem to be as big of a priority for us for whatever reason.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
even though there are more posts made at TC than on TGP, there are fewer comments about hating the Phillies
sure there are
Took me about 5 seconds to find this
YES. That’s why they’re widely considered the worst fans in sports – basically a retard mob whose actions have less to do with competitive sports and more to do with their inadequacies as humans……and I use the word "humans" loosely…
by philsandthrills on Jul 10, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Because hating on the fans is OK, dude! Just don’t bring up players personal lives or make broad, sweeping generalizations about Braves fans. It’s totally OK to call Phillies fans mouthbreathing assholes. Duh.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Or called Cole Hamels a pussy… wait, damn it, that was us.
by philsandthrills on Jul 10, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
hoisted by our own petard
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Jul 10, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And I think you were looking for Dicktorino. But I’m sure names are equal to attacks on the morality of a player..
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
If only he had made a vow of chastity like you, as involuntary as it might be.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I am being remarkably similar considering. I am also framing my arguments around logic which is something I haven’t seen a shred of from you. So perhaps you are the troll?
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I haven’t personally insulted any of them. But please take a few minutes to try to find an example.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
“Nobody on TC” has somehow become you specifically? Wait, didn’t you just talk about reading comprehension?
by philsandthrills on Jul 10, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes I did. I am just able to speak for myself and that’s what I did above. Nowhere did I say it was about me, the bit about trying to find an example is more about people pulling quotes I made (selectively) against me.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Around and around we go.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Jul 10, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
“All these words are so confusing. He keeps using them in different order. He has used at least…!!!! 100 words!!!
I wish I could just escape to the carnival..I want to ride a horsey and go…around and around and around…"
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
This is a personal attack on our intelligence.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 10, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Before you said
even though there are more posts made at TC than on TGP, there are fewer comments about hating the Phillies
Now you’re saying
I haven’t personally insulted any of them
Yes I am. I was saying that it is far more widespread here and that I have never personally attacked the humanity or morality of a player. What are you missing this time?
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I believe you’ve just personally insulted taco pal’s intelligence.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 10, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a legitimate question because we seem to not be able to understand each other very well.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
And since you’re the only consistent factor in this “lack of understanding” given that we at TGP generally understand each other pretty well, you basically just insulted your own intelligence. I guess you chose the name “Gump” for a reason.
Yes, it’s definitely because I’m so stupid. How I manage to form a sentence is beyond me. I guess that your superior intellect has just won its first exhibition game and I must simply bow before the dark and swiftly flowing river that is your brain. Before it I am but a lily..
Honestly, you can hardly draft a response, so may I suggest a mirror.
And “The Gump” is a nickname for the city I live in, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Forest Gump might be one of your intellectual heroes so I’m glad that I can provide that for you.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Forrest Gump was a hero and a patriot.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Jul 11, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, the “I know you are but what am I?” response. For those of us who didn’t make it past the second grade.
You could at least bother to try. I’ve seen kids on video game forums who could troll better than you.
Wow, your ability to post without saying anything of substance is unbelievable. Are you a ringer or just well trained?
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
And a fanshot was made about Victorino being injured and that they were glad of it, and it was deleted by a moderator upon the urging of several fans (myself included.) Seems like a big difference to me.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
There is not one post here celebrating injuries to any player. That is not the same thing as joking about some player’s extracurricular activities.
Do not even liken these posts to that sort of shit.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
How does celebrating an injury not fall into the category of “sports hate” if questioning the morality of a player does? How can we draw that line? Perhaps we should just consider them athletes and not take it personally at all because both of the aforementioned examples are making it personal.
There really is no distinction.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Oh, please. We don’t celebrate injury because that is wishing someone to actual be physically hurt. Sports hate makes fun of a player for being a dumbass on the field or irritates us (like Reyes), but doesn’t actually hope that player dies. For God’s sake.
This is getting ridiculous now.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I see the similarity pretty clearly. It happens when you stop hating the jersey and start hating the player. Someone who hates someone (for whatever reason) might want them to get injured and might even celebrate that injury. I understand that that isn’t what you are doing but you said that sports hate is making fun of a player for being a dumbass on the field and yet the original article in question spoke very little about on the field and a lot about misunderstood things off the field. It really isn’t that different at all at the point that you stop thinking about the jersey and the team that you hate and start hating a person.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Pretty sure no one on here seriously hates Chipper as a human being.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 11, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure that’s incorrect.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
You’re wrong. I’m sorry, but you’re wrong, and I wasn’t even talking to you.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 11, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Great and if that is true then that is a good thing. But below Raptor just implied that his infidelity makes him a bad human being, which might justify hate in the minds of some..
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Infidelity isn’t a good thing, for sure. And it’s true that it might justify hate. But really, do you seriously think that anyone would hate someone they don’t know personally for cheating on his wife, whom they also don’t know personally?
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 11, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Believe it or not, that’s what I came over here to find out.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Well. We don’t. I’m sure of it. The author of the post and subsequent commenters are not psychopaths. Seriously, having that kind of hate would be unhealthy.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 11, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Well instead of accepting a widely dispersed stereotype that Phillies fans are all rabid assholes, I decided to ask. But you understand how a post like that isn’t hard to reconcile with the stereotypes we have all heard. I’m not saying I bought into it, because the article itself led to the question in my mind, but I came to find out and some of you are bordering on being decent human beings.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
This is one of the strangest comments in the entire thread. You packed the weirdest combination of insults and passive aggressive apologies into it.
by philsandthrills on Jul 11, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
The last part was a joke…Obviously I’m sure that some of you are more than just decent human beings. Anyway Phillies fan, true or false, definitely have a reputation. I was also not apologizing for anything but creating a conversation.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
It wasn’t exactly n enjoyable conversation. Really, you thought we might all be raging psychopaths? I really didn’t think that anyone actually took our “reputation” seriously. Only ignorant people truly believe that Philly is a Sodom/Gomorrah/“seriously don’t go outside or you’ll get killed” type of place.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 11, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t mean that. All I meant is that you made some very serious jokes lightly. Apparently it is a “sense of humor,” but the jokes in the original post weren’t funny enough for me to automatically see that it was a “joke.”
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
OMG
You didn’t see that it was a joke? Really? Yes, it was a cheap personal jab, but it wasn’t serious.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 11, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Cheap persona jabs without much in the way of punchlines made it seem like it might have been more. Anyway, if it was a joke it wasn’t that funny. But I’m off, I appreciate your civility for one.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Maybe. But if anyone thought that post was serious, they are really oblivious.
Just like I would be if I actually thought you hated purple people.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 11, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
big nose
"There is no dark side in the moon, really. Matter of fact it's all dark."
by alcatraz0109 on Jul 10, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely it is there. But we don’t make 2 front page posts about the issue in the course of a week. We don’t even make posts like that ever that I have seen. And if we want to count the comments, there are a few of those, and threads worth of hate from the TGP.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Who ARE you? Do you really expect an entire blog to change its brand of comedy to satisfy one poster? Who’s not even a fan of this team?
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Jul 10, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
But, see, nothing is totally tongue-in-cheek. We can say Python is silly and tongue-in-cheek because the specific political valences they’re poking at aren’t relevant any longer, at least not to a specifically American audience. But really, if they mock Parliamentary bureaucracy in Python sketches, there’s real distaste there, not “pure” tongue-in-check.
Phillies blogs are generally for Phillies fans, and thus appeal to such a fan’s sense of humor.
You are not a Phillies fan.
Don’t cry.
Is crying a common problem on TGP because you guys are really focused on it? I did hear about a crying room around these parts though..
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
You KNOW there’s no crying room around here. You’re just being a jerk.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Jul 10, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear the furry wall in the crying room is quite soothing. Perhaps you should take 15?
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I’m quite sure that YOU didn’t win anything. But as I stated in my original post you guys had a big win today to even the season series. Lots of games left in the season though…
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Stop buying into the bullshit premise that what they write is a joke. It isn’t.
You’re dead-on about it not being funny and it not having a punchline. There are no elements to humor in what they write. It’s a cop-out to cover their asses when they get called out.
They hide behind “UR JUST TOO STOOPID TO GIT OUR HUMORZ”.
It’s somewhat smart because they will just blame you for misreading what they write. You can’t actually disprove it (can’t prove a negative). Let’em be.
They’ll continue posting for hours and put a front-page article up about how they hate Braves fans, Braves baseball, TBS, sweet tea, Southern Rap, fried chicken, etc. They can’t help it. They refuse to let someone else have the last word.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
That's not real tea.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Hey, now. “Family Guy” on TBS is awesome!
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Family Guy is horrible. South Park inherited the raunchy-cartoon torch from The Simpsons. It went right past Family Guy.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
Family Guy has… interesting humor.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it fails miserably. Sorta like Phillies’ offense, you know!
It’s better than watching “Everybody Loves Raymond”. I like “South Park,” too. Never actually cared much for “The Simpsons,” frankly.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Seasons 2 through about 8 are the best. Conan used to be a writer for the show. Give it a whirl. It puts Family Guy to shame.
The reason why Family Guy sucks is the long segments of the dad (Peter?) repeating the same animation over and over and over. It’s annoying. Him laughing for 30 seconds straight isn’t comedy. It’s stupid.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
It seems like the sort of show we’d find hilarious then, being as there are no elements to humor in what we write.
by FearTheTurtIe on Jul 11, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
No, that’s not my contention at all.
You guys are funny at times. Not by accident either.
My beef is with statements that aren’t written as jokes, aren’t intended as jokes, and aren’t jokes but when called out on said statements, the defense is “it was a joke”.
The meter with Cole Hamels is funny. Making fun of Pat-the-Bat was funny. Even making fun of some of our players is funny.
I don’t have the same beef that GumpBrave does.
My thing is, if you make a statement then you should stand behind it. Don’t cower away and call it a “joke” when it clearly isn’t.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
Well being as you wrote
There are no elements to humor in what they write.it certainly seems like it’s your contention. And we think we’re very funny. So do our moms.
by Sir Veza on Jul 10, 2011 11:39 PM EDT
by FearTheTurtIe on Jul 11, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
IIRC, I think the context still fits what I stated above.
If not, I will retract that and stick to my post directly above yours. But like I said, the block-quote you have is within the context of statements that aren’t jokes being called jokes.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
I’m not sure what context you are referring to. This seems pretty damn general
Stop buying into the bullshit premise that what they write is a joke. It isn’t.
You’re dead-on about it not being funny and it not having a punchline. There are no elements to humor in what they write. It’s a cop-out to cover their asses when they get called out.
Unless what you’re referring to “what they write” being only the things we write that aren’t funny to you and thus aren’t actually jokes. Which a) isn’t at all clear in your post and b) is pretty damn poor logic
by FearTheTurtIe on Jul 11, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure what context you are referring to. This seems pretty damn general
Stop buying into the bullshit premise that what they write is a joke. It isn’t.
You’re dead-on about it not being funny and it not having a punchline. There are no elements to humor in what they write. It’s a cop-out to cover their asses when they get called out.
Unless what you’re referring to "what they write" being only the things we write that aren’t funny to you and thus aren’t actually jokes. Which a) isn’t at all clear in your post and b) is pretty damn poor logic
by FearTheTurtIe on Jul 11, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I, for one, would welcome a sarcastic take on our team. Burrell isn’t here anymore, or you could do his ladies thing and gimp suit. Romero’s gone so no more roids talk. You could make fun of Madson kicking a chair and breaking his toe like a dumb ass (lord knows I did) and missing a month on the DL. Oswalt is pretty deep south so you could poke fun at that.
Bring it ON!!!
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
“Victorino” can be changed to “Dicktorino” rather easily. Might be a good starting place.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Jul 10, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep...
your guys are boring.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Over at TalkingChop
Michael Martinez with more hits than our entire team
by wpf3211 on Jul 10, 2011 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
Since this thread turned into a he said, Braves fan said debate...let's get back to what is most important...WINNING!!
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Where/when was this photo taken?
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 10, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you’re right.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 10, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
taco pal, I’ve been meaning to talk to you about that. You should find yourself a safehouse or relative close by, lay low for awhile, because you’re probably wanted for murder.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Jul 10, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Somehow, I blame David S. Cohen for firing his Sumterian cannonade before the weekend began. But I cannot spare taco pal. He phights.
by Wet Luzinski on Jul 11, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha. Incredible continuity.
Though, I said it was pretty late at least, like, a half hour past this. So, totally different!
HA! I’ve never heard Ghost, but that was great.
Hey I found this old SE HC from back in the day. Thought you might be interested. This was sorta like the second wave that came after the crossover years so there’s a little more metal influence going on. One my favorites of that genre. Got me thru some rough patches. Verbal Assualt – not to be confused with Verbal Abuse another SE band. They are more nuanced than the more extreme Youth Of Today type bands which I thought should have been called “Jock Edge”. From the 1987 album “Trial”. Another record lost in the Great Floods of my various basement rat trap apartments.
Dude, it’s tiring. He doesn’t seem like a bad dude, but he’s really hung up on the personal morality attacks on the players (as he sees these posts to be). Unless he’s related to one of them, I don’t see the issue.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I’ll comment. I wrote a post over at TC about this. I really don’t want to talk about it anymore. I do think it’s cool that a few people at least acknowledged that the ‘attacks’ aren’t really personal.
The impetus for my post was that after the Phillies won the first game, I went over to TGP to congratulate you guys for the win, but was a little turned off, so I left.
Again, I respectfully don’t want to get into it. Just assume I’m overly sensitive, because I really don’t want to argue about it.
Nice win today.
What are you talking about? I was trying very hard to be very civil and to not let personal disagreements create personal dislike. You just happened to disagree and lump me in with another experience.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
If you see the two experiences as similar in almost any way then I have to question your judgement, but luckily your opinion literally means nothing to me (but I do think that your user name is funny, truly)
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
This is understandable. And you creating a post about this over at TC is also understandable. The thread above is less so I think. But whatever. We roll with it here.
I think it’s important to note that some SBN blogs are different. We like ours a little more irreverrent.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
And of course he has no problems slinging personal insults towards people here. When you think about it, his screen name is based on a character Tom Hanks played that was mentally retarded, and the character itself was named after a legendary racist. His trolling is quite meta.
Also, his signature line says that it’s okay to be racist towards green and purple people unless they’re dying. I thought that was awesome.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 11, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
This must be the legendary TGP humor? The quote is by late comedian Mitch Hedberg and the idea is that a suffocating person would look purple…
Whoosh.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Actual comedy? What do you know about comedy that you didn’t learn from a mirror?
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
And this, in a nutshell, is why this whole debate about what is a joke and what isn’t is really fucking pointless. I happen to find Mitch Hedberg hilarious. Raptor finds his material to be trash. That’s understandable and fine by me. Humor is subjective and, except in very obvious cases, questioning the morality of it is pretty fucking condescending. Unless you honestly think you’re better than us.
by FearTheTurtIe on Jul 11, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Eddie Izzard is the pinnacle of humor. In my opinion.
by FearTheTurtIe on Jul 11, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
That is the best point I’ve heard. I really don’t think I’m better than y’all (besides the people who have responded in a way to take that decision out of the realm of assumption) otherwise why would I be here trying to have a discussion. And say what you want about what I’ve said but I’ve clearly been trying to have a discourse.
I just don’t think that it is funny to make personal attacks to define your hatred of a team. I just don’t see much value in it. If you guys think that the original post was witty, clever, or had any utility besides personalizing hate then that is fine, but I just don’t see it. But like you said, agree to disagree.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I was just joking. Trying to adopt a darker sense of humor that I thought would be appreciated from what I’ve told.
Anyway, how have you, as a Raptor, been able to type with those claws and that bird-like brain?
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Hey, don’t make fun of raptors.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 11, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea, raptors are people too!
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
No, don’t make fun of raptors. They can kill you.
by philsandthrills on Jul 11, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Meme or just a lot of raptor lovers here?
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I think it might be a coincidence. Also, raptors kick arse.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 11, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn straight. Though they might have been purple.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 11, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Hung up? Or, hung up TO THE MAXX?
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Jul 10, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I just think we disagree. I am viewing your community from the outside and trying to make sense of it. It just seemed more malicious than humorous to me. I am willing to admit that it might not have been intended as such, but that isn’t necessarily the end of the discussion.
I really am not even that bothered by it. I just like to have a discussion about it and you have indulged me and I appreciate that. Some of you were less civil than others, but that is to be expected on the internet. I just worry that perhaps that post’s humor comes from the fact that it might resonate with some fans who might think that hate is funny.
There just don’t seem to be many punchlines, just smear after smear and assertion after assertion that would only be funny if the reader supplied hatred. I know that this doesn’t fit with all of you, and that many of you think it’s a joke. I’m not worried about y’all. I’m worried about the people who actually think that Bobby Cox is a chronic wife-beater, and who thinks that Chipper’s infidelity makes him a bad man because none of these issues have any relevance to allegiance to a team or even dislike of another team.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I really am not even that bothered by it.
"It is also confirming that Phillies fans are really demented and sick people, and the exceptions, the ones who do not actively participate in the hate allow it."
by philsandthrills on Jul 11, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
It was just an example of a dark sense of humor. I did also say that most Phillies fans are decent people, but your selective use of a quote that admitted that it isn’t a categorical fact is much better.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I’m worried about the people who actually think that … Chipper’s infidelity makes him a bad man
So in other words, you don’t think infidelity is a bad thing. I pity any spouse you may have.
More about the fact that humans are inherently fallible as you have shown to excellent effect tonight.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
You yourself said it’s okay to sleep around on your wife. Don’t be mad at me because I’m not a scumbag. :)
I didn’t say that actually. The point, which I will simplify for your sake, is that one immoral act doesn’t make one immoral completely. But I’m sure you have never once done anything bad right?
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
No, it doesn’t. But it also doesn’t protect them from taking shit about their moral failings from others. That’s how communities work.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Fair enough, but neither is it a good foundation for hate because it is hypocritical just because of the fallibility of human nature.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Doesn’t stop it from being funny.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Jul 11, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s kind of how religion works, too, though…they castigate those with moral failings. The rest of the church wags their tongues even though they have done similar things with their own lives.
Hypocrisy lives everywhere, dude.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Absolutely. Honestly dude, my intention was to see how malicious it was and to see how the hatred worked (because hating a team and a jersey and even a team’s players are fine, but to extend that hatred to a human being would not be okay) rather than to try to take a moral high road. That was honestly never my intention.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I don’t think it was liz’s intention to extend any hatred to a human being. I’m pretty sure that piece was just baiting to get a reaction. I highly doubt liz would spit on Chipper, or Bobby, or Tim Hudson if she saw him in the street.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 11, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m glad you kept this moral experiment under 300 posts.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Jul 11, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I know that 300 posts is a bit shocking for the people at TGP but some blogs do that daily..
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Especially when the same guy is repeating the same thing over and over. And over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Jul 11, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m just happy I could help you guys break some records and feel good about your community for a moment.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Can’t tell if trolling, or just very stupid
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Jul 11, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, we feel glad that you’re not a part of it.
by philsandthrills on Jul 11, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Point taken. A few more threads of useless posts like whatever you post, and we can be like TC in no time, idiotic Braves fans and all.
Fortunately, you’re not likely to stick around once the sting from the complete and utter curb stomp that was the last game goes away, and we’ll improve in quality immediately. In the meantime, I hope you’ve enjoyed trolling this site as much as I enjoyed laughing at how pathetically bad you are at it.
In this thread there was no winner.
There was only degrees of losing.
by philsandthrills on Jul 11, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I enjoyed watching you try to use logic, it was like watching a baby horse stand for the first time.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
CAUSE HE'S A COWBOY CAUSE HE'S FROM THE SOUTH AND THEY ALL RIDE HORSES DOWN THERE
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 11, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
P.s. That was a joke
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 11, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Because it is like gravity is against them with their tiny legs and large heads, much like Raptor’s attempt to use logic it is as if mother nature is against it.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Hey! I got your joke!
But we really genuinely do feel good about our community. Really, less is more when it comes to comments/content.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 11, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Most ePenis comment of the thread.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
I won’t be lectured by a “person” who believes that being unfaithful is not at all a bad thing, and who has the nerve to call others “demented and sick”. Again, I pity any spouse you may have.
Your inability to see anything that isn’t spelled out is literally unbelievable.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Well it’s difficult when none is sent in your direction. But as a whole I have been very civil.
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
Well, Chipper’s infidelity doesn’t make him man of the year. Personally, IDGAF about what he does off the field—I laugh when I hear about that stuff or if someone makes a joke about it—but it’s not why I hate the Braves. I “hate” Chipper because of all the Braves fans I’ve known over the years who’ve defended his infidelity or gotten so upset over us chanting “Larry” at the ballpark. His exploits are his (ex) wife’s problem; not mine.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Who gets upset over “Larry?” I thought Met fans were the first to start that?
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
OMG. Sat in a row of Braves fans a few years ago for Phils-Braves game. We were heckling him the entire game b/c we were on the 3B side. One of the old ladies glares at me and my two-year old for simply chanting his name. Too sensitive. That’s what causes my rage to boil a tad.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
So you were upset at a glare from an OLD LADY?
You…got mad….at an old lady….because she GLARED AT YOU?!
Tell me she at least called you a name.
The only thing you did was call him “Larry?” You didn’t trash talk by saying anything else?
1) If all she did was glare at you, you’re too sensitive.
2) I find it hard to believe all you did was say “Larrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry”
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
Dude, that’s not all she did—but it’s all I cared to write about. Some of the other fans in the area, who weren’t with my family, were yelling out more creative stuff about him needing a walker, but all we did was chant Larry.
I don’t care what she did to me, but when she glares at my two-year old son and says nasty things to him, it’s totally uncalled for. That’s not too sensitive; that’s being a protective mother and that’s my job.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
You didn’t say she made comments in your initial post.
If she JUST GLARED I see no problem. If she made comments, depending on what she said, that may be a problem.
Just as an aside, did you reprimand other Phillie fans when (I’m sure) they said unflattering and nasty things about Braves players that your kid may have heard? You can’t have it both ways.
If you don’t want your kid hearing rude and nasty comments, don’t take them to the game. However, if SHE made rude and nasty comments, shame on her.
Feel betteR?
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
That's it.
BOB.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 11, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Come on, really? I’m not being an ass to you; no need to be one to me. Accept that there are assholes in your fanbase, too, and move on. And what’s with capitalizing SHE? You can’t accept that fact that female fans can be just as ruthless and jingoistic?
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
1) There are assholes everywhere. That’s a given.
2) I’m wondering if you threw a hissy fit about Philly fans throwing insults toward Brave players/fans that your kid heard. I doubt you told him “Look, what our fellow compatriots are doing is wrong.” Selective enforcement is bad when instilling values in children.
3) The capitalization of she was to emphasize if the “old lady” said something to you, apart from a glare, then she was wrong — depending on what she said. You didn’t specify at all.
4) Females in general are much more ruthless than males.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
I wasn’t the one to bring it up. He did.
And if wanted to make a point about being offended about some little old lady glaring at his kid, then he sure as shit should be getting on the the Philly hecklers who were most certainly doing more than “glaring”.
If he said something to those guys, GOOD. If he didn’t shame on him. That only sends a confusing message: “It’s ok to quiet those you disagree with”.
You can’t have it both ways. No insult to parenting skills were made. Notice that small, yet key, word “if”?
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
Correction
all “he’s” = “she’s”
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
No, only in this case.
I can’t speak to your life experiences, but generally, all women are not men.
I get the context, but putting “if” doesn’t automatically make something hypothetical. You followed your conditional with:
I doubt you told him "Look, what our fellow compatriots are doing is wrong." Selective enforcement is bad when instilling values in children.
Preachy, assuming, and (were it me) insulting. But whatever; it just strikes me as irksome, but it’s not me you’re getting on. It’s probably a non-issue.
Well it sure has been…something…To those of you who responded thoughtfully thank you for helping me understand better where you are coming from. To the other’s, well someone has to balance out the IQ scores right?
"You know when it comes to racism, people say: ' I don't care if they're black, white, purple, or green.' Uh, hold on now: purple or green?! You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em."
I’m adopting this as the theme song of this thread. If I may be so bold
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LliTqJNKJrM
Sorry about that—but I was just trying to differentiate between that an actual hate. Wish there was a better phrase for it. These folks are just going overboard with their reaction.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
There are better phrases for it, but since the trolls here have absolutely no concept of nuance, such phrases would go right over their heads. That’s why it has to be kept simple, alas.
Yeah, haven’t had a chance to listen to them yet. Internet connection is reliable, but not that fast here.
cool. Since I moved back I haven’t had a chance to explore the scene here, so there’s prolly more. Admittedly, I’m a bit pessimistic because Philly really never had a great underground/punk scene back in the day. I lived in DC back then so I was spoiled rotten. There wasn’t a big scene in Philly apparently, at least by the bands that hailed from here which were few. Every month I’d flip thru Maximium Rock N’ Roll to get scene reports about my beloved Philly and it was always disappointing.
I think Philadelphia’s always been more of an R&B town. Although you can certainly be both (like Detroit).
For the 5th largest US city I expected a bit more. I think though your right about R&B and I’d say jazz as well. For punk it’s really about having a label to anchor the scene and the liquor laws. In DC, bars could have bands play as long as they carded and “x-ed” your hand. I heard in Philly it was a strict policy of 21 and over – that really limits bands because in the early days most of the demographic consisted of teenagers. And part of DC success for such a small city was Straight Edge -the majority kids didn’t use drugs or alcohol so they didn’t pose as much as a threat to the powers that be.
In the ’90’s however, a small label, Siltbreeze Records established itself in Philly but it features alot of real experimental, noise stuff and fringe bands, bands the defy genres and can be a potenially hard sells to fans that can’t color outside the lines – everything needs a neat, identifiable category. I have feeling that Philly is more of niche scene and is why Stinking Lizaveta relocated to here. As much as scenes can be great, they come with downsides (see evolution of Fangraphs). Perhaps Philly’s more of an island for misfit toys which could be really cool – I own quite a few records from bands on Siltbreeze as it is.
I forgot Go-Go
DC is also known for Go-Go, dance hall music consisting of a unique blend of funk, hip-hop and R&B. I swear it’s why DC high school marching bands have the sickest drum lines. Some notable acts:
Chuck Brown and the Soul Searchers:
Chuck Brown is a DC legend and often referred to as the father of Go-Go. A life long DC resident (though he lives in Waldof, MD now), Brown helped develop a scene notable for its real grass roots feel and approach much like the early days of hip-hop. It’s the same ethos that I believe influenced Ian MacKaye who is regarded as one of the “founding fathers” of the legendary DC punk scene and the Dischord record label. Despite their fame however, neither sought the fortune which, if they chose to sell out, was available to them.
I Need Some Money
Bustin’ Loose (Nats. use this as their homerun song)
Ashley’s Roachclip
Trouble Funk : Drop the Bomb
Rare Essence: Overnight Scenario
Junkyard Band: Uh Oh! It’s Demi-Doc and Baker
Backyard Band: Gangsta Pocket (holy fuck is about all I can come up with when I hear this)
If I ever get married I’m getting a Go-Go band for the reception. It just doesn’t quit.
Backyard Band, featuring Slim Charles.
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by FuquaManuel on Jul 11, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve got some old Dead C records from Siltbreeze. there’s some great stuff from them in the early 90s.
Siltbreeze put out some Teenage Panzerkorps stuff too, I think? I dig them.
by perfectdepth on Jul 11, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
definitely need some alka-seltzer after that read.
by perfectdepth on Jul 11, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha. Y’all trippin’.
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You are doing God’s work.
Carry on.
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