Berry Good: Phillies 7, Mets 2
by WholeCamels on Jul 15, 2011 10:41 PM EDT
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The kids are alright once again. Vance Worley pitched 5 1/3, allowing a single run on three hits, with four strikeouts and four walks, and John Mayberry drove in five of the Phillies runs, as the Phillies topped the Mets and R.A. Dickey by a score of 7-2.
The Phillies plated their first two runs on an RBI single from Mayberry in the second inning, driving in Raul Ibanez and Carlos Ruiz. Domonic Brown would come in to score on a Vance Worley RBI groundout, as the Phillies would get all of the runs they'd need in that inning.
Raul Ibanez continued his (obligatory) hot streak with a solo home run in the sixth, and also made a terrific diving catch on a Ruben Tejada liner in the gap in the fifth inning. Mets starter R.A. Dickey would go seven full innings, allowing four Phillies runs on six hits. The Mets threatened in the bottom of the sixth, with Worley loading the bases with one out after allowing a walk to Carlos Beltran, a single to Daniel Murphy, and a walk to Jason Bay. Lefty reliever Juan Perez would get the second out by striking out Scott Hairston, but the Mets' first run would score on a wild pitch strike three. Perez then got out of the inning by inducing a Ronny Paulino groundout to third.
Ryan Madson, in his first game since being activated from the disabled list, looked sharp, throwing a perfect seventh inning, striking out two.
The Mets would score their second run on a solo bomb from Carlos Beltran off Mike Stutes, Prince of Regression, in the bottom of the eighth.
The Phillies would break the game open in the top of the ninth on a bases loaded, bases clearing double from John Mayberry, who is clearly making the most of his playing time since taking over in center field for the injured Shane Victorino. Two key defensive miscues, one from Justin Turner on a dead double play ball, and another from Ruben Tejada on a standard ground ball, kept the inning alive just long enough to allow Mayberry to delivery the kill shot.
Antonio Bastardo would pitch yet another hitless inning in the ninth to close things out.
Cole Hamels day tomorrow.
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Juan Perez has not allowed a hit this year. Antonio Bastardo has allowed 1 hit in the last 48 at-bats against him (or around there).
Not too shabby.
by David S. Cohen on Jul 15, 2011 10:53 PM EDT reply actions
Lefty relievers, man. Who can figure them?
Time is not made of lines. It is made of circles. That is why clocks are round.
-Michael J Caboose
by TheOrangeCone on Jul 15, 2011 11:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Trade Deadline
Why does it seem like everybody is hell bent on getting a stud reliever by the trade deadline? I’ve been seeing rumors all over the place about the front office demonstrating significant interest in people like Heath Bell, which I don’t understand at all.
The bullpen has been surprisingly effective this year, especially in light of all the injuries. We just got Madosn back and we will likely be getting Lidge back in the near future. Why would the Phillies waste high profile prospects to get a half year rental of someone like Heath Bell?
It just does not make sense to me. If you are making a trade, why not focus on shoring up the weakest area of the team rather than an area of strength? Or does the team expect the bullpen as a whole to regress over the remainder of the year?
by The Howling Fantods on Jul 15, 2011 11:06 PM EDT reply actions
I wouldn’t count on Lidge to be of much use to the Phillies this year. And aside from Bastardo and Madson, there’s not exactly a reliable arm. It’s not the biggest concern, but it’d be nice to add another arm just in case.
by philsandthrills on Jul 15, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Lidge won’t be top shelf, but he will at least be better than half the current bullpen.
Two reliable (read: shutdown) arms is more than most bullpens, I’m pretty sure. Braves might be an exception.
by The Howling Fantods on Jul 15, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He could be, but reports have him throwing 87-88. That’s just not going to work.
by philsandthrills on Jul 16, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably not, but I’m not sure about that.
In any event, 87-88 isn’t necessarily discouraging considering this is like the first week of spring training for him after an 21 month offseason. It actually sounds like he’s right on track.
Did you see his line in Reading? I think he walked 1 and threw three wild pitches in like 2/3rds of an inning. It wasn’t pretty.
by philsandthrills on Jul 16, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
That was one game. The game before that, he retired the side in order with two strikeouts. Frankly, considering his layoff and the fact that he’s on the first week of a rehab assignment, I was more surprised by the good outing than the bad one. The whole point of rehab is that you get all this crazy stuff out of your system.
I’m not saying he’s definitely going to make it back or anything, mind you. I just think the fact that he had a terrible outing in AA is pretty meaningless and everyone’s overreacting to it.
Maybe. I just think a diminished FB just makes stealing against him even easier. I’ll wait to see if his velocity increases before I begin to have any expectations for him this year.
by philsandthrills on Jul 16, 2011 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
All I can say in response to this is that Reuben is not stupid. He’s not interested in rentals. If we pick up someone like Bell, he’s going to make sure that he can strike a deal that he its comfortable with for an extension. We’re not making a scramble for the postseason like last year (I use the term “scramble” loosely), and we don’t need anything. If Reuben does make a trade, it’s probably going to be one that matters in the long run.
Of course, that’s just my opinion. I could be wrong…
Time is not made of lines. It is made of circles. That is why clocks are round.
-Michael J Caboose
by TheOrangeCone on Jul 15, 2011 11:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wonder also if they trade for someone like Bell in the event they can’t extend Madson there’s a backup already on the roster?
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
All I can say in response to this is that Reuben is not stupid.
Well, he is a little bit stupid.
by Spoilt Victorian Child on Jul 16, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
STAYBERRY
since coming back up….
a mere 8-23 (7 extra base hits) with 12 RBI and 2 HR for a .347/.400/.826 slash
25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!
Dear Lord, the OPS…
"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews
by Senor Octubre on Jul 16, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t have any illusions that Mayberry’s going to keep this up, of course, but now more than ever before I’m firmly in the camp of thinking that Ruben should stand pat – zero trades.
Who knows, maybe he’ll do it. He likes to surprise people, and at this point, people will be more surprised if he doesn’t make a deal than it he does.
If you think about it though....
The rerason we “need” a RH bat, has as much to do with the organizations insistence on keeping Martinez on the roster, and their desire to have a 5 man bench and a 7 man bullpen most of the season. In 6 weeks, that’s a non factor. Sure, people have to be on the active roster as of 8/31 to be eligible for the post season, but theres always DL spots that increase that and allow for people from the 40 man to make the post season roster.
Plus, there is bound to be a Mike Sweeney type available during the waiver period in august.
Assuming the starters are all healthy, and a 4 man rotation in the playoffs if we make NO MOVES, and you take 6 relievers and 6 bench players, your bullpen is
Lidge, Madson, Bastardo, Stutes, and your choice of Blanton/Worley/Kendrick/Perez/Baez/Herndon/Mathieson/Carpenter to fill the other two spots.
Your bench is Valdez, Schneider, Gload, Francisco, and any two of Mayberry/Martinez/Orr
I’m very comfortable with that.
25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!
I’m comfortable with that too, so long as Martinez isn’t given a spot over Mayberry or Orr. Do Rule 5 restrictions apply to postseason rosters as well?
We are the Phightin' Irish
by Veni Vidi Vici on Jul 16, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No
A rule 5 draft pick simply has to stay on the ML roster for the entire season, which, really means until September 1st, from a taking up a spot perspective.
To be eligible for a team’s playoff roster a player must be on any of the following: (a) the 25 man active roster, (b) the disabled list, © the bereavement list, or (d) the suspended list as of August 31 at midnight[citation needed]. The only exception is that a player on the 60-day disabled list may be replaced by another player from the team’s 40-man roster (as of August 31) who plays the same position (i.e. position player for position player, or pitcher for pitcher), with the approval of the commissioner of baseball.
25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!
The only thing I can see being justifiable in terms of trades is if the Phillies can pick up a decent middle reliever, and then only if the price is right.
We are the Phightin' Irish
by Veni Vidi Vici on Jul 16, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
"Son...like, we might have to like keep you around."
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 15, 2011 11:37 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
same college oddly enough, but nope….that’s Johnny Fife, Deputy Sheriff of Stayberry
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 16, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was Chris Rock for a split second. The guy on the right, I mean.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 16, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
RTP, one of your comments was quoted in the USA Today Phillies spread (insider or whatever the hell they call it). It was from the Lee game where he hit the homer and was pulled (and you wondered whether they should leave him in to hit because our offense had been so non-existent). They gave credit to TGP.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I only saw it in print. Don’t know if it’s online or not. It was USA Today Sports Weekly and part of the Philly Extra insert. Page 3, “Say What?” section.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Looks like Cholly is ready to kiss him. Probably is.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 16, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was interesting that Charlie had Madson pitch the 7th. I’m sure he just wanted to get him a lower leverage inning in his first game back but it shows the faith that Bastardo and (to a lesser extent) Stutes have gained
by FanSince1993 on Jul 15, 2011 11:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Why the hell did Bastardo pitch with a five-run lead? What happened to all the talk about saving his arm for the playoffs in light of his injury history and the fact that he’s never appeared in so many games since being converted to a reliever? I know it’s been a while since he’s “gotten work” and I don’t care.
by taco pal on Jul 16, 2011 12:55 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I was flipping out about this in the game thread as well.
One point of correction in an otherwise great recap, the Phillies blew the game open in the top of the 8th. I only say that because it’s not like Charlie had Bastardo warming up in the top of the 9th in a game which was at the time a save opp and thought, well, he was already up. No. Charlie had Bastardo warm up, and used him with the score already dictating that one of our less trusted pitchers should be used.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Bastardo hadn’t pitched in 5 days. He threw 12 pitches. He was throwing today one way or the other, and theres no reason to get worked up about it. If we were in the middle of a two week run he wouldn’t have thrown last night.
25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!
There is a difference between throwing in the pen as part of a side session and another throwing in an actual game. Yes he hadn’t gotten work in 5 days but so what? He threw 12 pitches, which is great to know after the fact but he could have just as easily thrown 30 and been unavailable tonight, or tomorrow when they may actually need him.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I’m alright with giving someone work if he hasn’t pitched in a while, but only if there’s an off-day on the following day. The time to do it is NOT on the first day of six games in six days and twenty-six games in twenty-seven days. Thankfully Bastardo wasn’t needed today but what if he was? What if the Phillies had save situations in three straight games? It’s not as if that would have been unheard-of.
Was in the car not long ago, and the topic of discussion on the radio was whether the Phillies should trade Dom Brown. Mainly whether they should trade Dom Brown for Hunter Pence. #$#$#($!*#$(#$
The whole negative perception of Dom Brown makes me sad. He gets no credit for doing all the little things right, and once his BABIP numbers start to normalize a bit, he’ll start bringing that average up.
"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews
by Senor Octubre on Jul 16, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
This particular episode was really bizarre. The host started out really well by explaining that cost-controlled players are extremely valuable and that the key to winning in baseball is managing your contracts. Great. But then he was like, that’s why you’ve got to think about trading Dom Brown, because of how valuable he is on the trade market – but of course, you would only do this if you decide to “go big” for a cornerstone piece – like, for instance, by getting Pence. smh.
He also threw in some stuff about how he wasn’t sure if he saw “greatness” in Dom because his swing is so long, and long swings are very successful in the minors, but they tend to get figured out by major league pitching. When did everyone and their mother because swing experts? It’s all so totally absurd. To his credit, though, at least this guy didn’t bash Brown for “lollygagging” or “lacking passion” or any of that b.s.
It’s amazing the impatience people have with Dom. I mean, the guy has only accumulated 235 PAs, and at 23 he’s still years away from his prime. I wish the average fan would just appreciate what he’s doing while acknowledging that he could/should only get better with time and experience. Sigh.
"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews
by Senor Octubre on Jul 16, 2011 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
On Further Positive Notes
I unlocked a life achievement today and got into a shouting match with a Minor League Umpire at the R Phils/Trenton Thunder game. Don’t fuck with pretty boy Cloyd Blue.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 16, 2011 1:31 AM EDT reply actions
The umpire was positively a fuck up. Just straight up what-an-asshole.
Cloyd pitched a pretty good game, but couldn’t get obvious calls. Then again, neither could the Thunder, but that is immaterial. I came away really impressed by Cloyd and I hope he continues the good work. Combined with a crippling Rivero error in the 6th was what sunk Cloyd.
What was great was when Parent lost his mind an inning later. If I couldn’t use profnaity because of the kids, he just went apeshit. Also, Matt Rizzotti is hilarious and super friendly.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 16, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thanks for the report
Interesting stuff.
Sounds like this ump is just the type to be put on the fast track to the majors!
He does a Texas Two Step when he calls a strike. It’s a shame he didn’t call more, he could’ve done a nice waltz. God, that guy was God-awful, I can’t say that enough.
Anyone who threatens to toss a fan for expressing non-profane disappointment with a bad strikezone needs to be carted away in an old timey push locomotive.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 16, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll send you the medical bill resulting from breaking my hand on the computer screen
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 16, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
OT
Did anyone see this E60 piece with Ryan Howard? I’ve started watching it and it’s amazing!
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5788144
Didn’t realize it was from last year, but still worth a watch if you haven’t already!
Things like E:60 and 30 for 30 remind me that ESPN is still capable of worthwhile programming.
"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews
by Senor Octubre on Jul 16, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean,
let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it’s me, I’m a little fucked up maybe, but I’m funny how, I mean funny like I’m a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I’m here to fuckin’ amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
Beltran out today...
I’m expecting a high reading on the “Secondary Seinfeld Character” Mitch-o-meter today
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
That was a game worth watching. Thank God I did not waste my beer, the Mets did put in a good fight but in the end, the Phillies emerged victorious, I wish there could be more games like this one.
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