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This Game Isn't Played On Paper: Phillies 2, Mets 11

The Mets took batting practice off Cole Hamels and Danys Baez today as they absolutely thumped the Phillies in the second game of this series. Hamels was less than sharp, and the Phillies were stymied by Jon Niese, obviously still in the afterglow of having proposed to his girlfriend over the break.

It seemed clear in the first inning how this game was going to go. It all started when a popup dropped right between Utley and Howard, allowing two runs to score. Howard had called for it, so his defensive excellence continues. (It was a sloppy day defensively for the Phillies in general, including Ben Francisco and Raul Ibanez.) It all went downhill from there. In the third inning, Hamels walked the pitcher, allowed a single to Justin Turner, and then Scott Hairston hit a bases clearing double. He allowed another run in the fourth and three in the fifth before being yanked. Cole walked four on the day, and allowed seven earned runs on eight hits in just 4 1/3. One of the hits was a monster second deck home run hit by Daniel Murphy.

Herndon came in to pitch the rest of the fifth and sixth innings, and allowed three hits, and one of Hamels' baserunners to score. The Phillies even scored two runs in the top of the seventh (they loaded the bases and scored on an error, and then on a double play ball hit by Jimmy Rollins). At that point, I foolishly thought that if the Phillies could keep the score stable, they could scrape back. Then, Baez came in to pitch the seventh. He got two quick outs but couldn't end it, allowing a double to Lucas Duda, a walk to Pagan, a single to Turner (which scored Duda), and then a three run homer to Scott Hairston, all in consecutive at bats. In one inning of work, Baez allowed four hits and four runs to score. I'm hoping that instead of DFAing him when Victorino or Lidge comes back, they launch him into space.

The commentating just made the game worse, saying "This game isn't played on paper!" at least four times in response to the Mets' offensive outburst. They spent a lot of time focusing on the home plate umpire, who took a foul ball off the back of one of his hands. I really didn't need that many shots of his purple, distended knuckle. They also regaled the viewers with a story about how Jon Niese and one of the other Mets players (forgive me for not caring enough to remember who) proposed to their girlfriends over the break. Niese proposed while playing with dolphins in the bahamas, and the other guy apparently lied to his girlfriend about the bathroom being flooded, and she walked into a house crammed with roses to the bursting point.  (Is creativity in a proposal too much to ask for?) They actually said "The Mets lead the league in love!" Someone actually said that. Out loud. Into a microphone.

I should note that Rollins was replaced in the bottom of the seventh inning, and the Fox broadcast showed him massaging his foot in the dugout. According to the beat writers, he has some tightness in his right leg, which is just super news. Jimmy is apparently not concerned at all, which shockingly doesn't make me feel better.

The Phillies finish the series with Kyle Kendrick (4-4, 3.58 ERA, better in the bullpen) facing off against Mike Pelfry (5-8, 4.55 ERA, wildly inconsistent).

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Well Brandon Wood just hit a home run so yeah – freakiness came out to play.

by j reed on Jul 16, 2011 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

In one inning of work, Baez allowed four hits and four runs to score. I’m hoping that instead of DFAing him when Victorino or Lidge comes back, they launch him into space.

Maybe he can be the sole space pilot on the first manned mission to Mars.

To follow up on yesterdays fun fact:

Vance Worley 54.1 IP, 13 ER
Danys Baez 36 IP, 25 ER

Jimmy is apparently not concerned at all, which shockingly doesn’t make me feel better.

So day to day, which includes 4 days off then a retroactive DL stint?

/half serious

Come on Kendrick. Do us all proud.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jul 16, 2011 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

This write-up had me LOLing quite a few times.

by Eaglesadvocate on Jul 16, 2011 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Samesies. Liz seems to have a perfect understand of the trademark TGP humor.

"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews

by Senor Octubre on Jul 16, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Secondary Seinfeld Character" Mitch-o-meter reading: Kenny Bania


“Why do they call it Ovaltine. The mug is round. The jar is round. They should call it Roundtine.”

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 16, 2011 9:18 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I wonder what his favorite soup is…

Time is not made of lines. It is made of circles. That is why clocks are round.
-Michael J Caboose

by TheOrangeCone on Jul 16, 2011 11:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

toss up between mulligatawny and crab bisque

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 16, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice recap liz…I’m glad you pointed out how dreadful Mark Grace is as a commentator…a double whammy after that wonderful pool interview with Timberlake….oh, and do you think they are going to sell tickets to the Baez launch, cause that is definitely a must see.

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 16, 2011 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, nice write-up, and yes, the broadcast was painful to listen to. I was primed for the pain when everyone was moaning it would be Buck and McCarver, but these guys seemed capable of channeling them.

by Boethius on Jul 17, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mark Grace sounds like David Lee Roth, but my hunch is that DLR knows considerably more about baseball and is far less annoying.

by dajafi on Jul 17, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

As do James Caan and the late Dinah Shore-a

by taco pal on Jul 17, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice Fish, nice

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 16, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s time to cut ties with Baez. Fr those of you who know, me, and how much I’ll defend both he and Kendrick….

…it’s really time.

25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!

by Joecatz on Jul 16, 2011 9:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I guess Baez is one reason why Buster Olney is sayin we are in play for padre relievers…Although I’d prefer a bat more

by The Fish on Jul 16, 2011 9:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

My trade deadline preferences in order

1. Do nothing
2. Heath Bell
3. Mike Adams
4. Any RH bat not named Jeff Francoeur
5. A Siamese cat
6. Any other breed of cat
7. Jeff Francoeur

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by Justin F. on Jul 16, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would put Adams ahead of Bell…cheaper, better, and under team control for another year

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 16, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jul 16, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adams is the better pitcher, but the Padres will surely want more for him than they will want for Heath Bell. I am hesitant about paying up prospects as it is this off-season. I do not want to pay a huge price for someone when Heath Bell would work just fine. His price will likely be high (why my top preference is to do nothing), but not as high as Adams.

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by Justin F. on Jul 16, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It won't

Be much more, IMO. And Adams costs 5mm next year, which is a nice insurance policy for madson. Course, that’s also the flip side of Adams, the next year part.

25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!

by Joecatz on Jul 17, 2011 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

actually,

5MM for Adams next season is basically what we’re paying kendrick and Baez.

give Madson Lidge’s money, and you have 4MM of his salary left for raises for bastaro and Stutes, and a 2012 bullpen of

Bastardo, Stutes, Adams, Madson, Herndon, and two of the young guns.

Me likey a LOT I think….

25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!

by Joecatz on Jul 17, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I’m forgetting the wild card, Contreras…

25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!

by Joecatz on Jul 17, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would put any other breed of cat ahead of samese cat.

We are the Phightin' Irish

by Veni Vidi Vici on Jul 16, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Smuggles still GM of this team?

If so, 2 or 3 and pray that the Phillies don’t sell the pharm to get them are the only options he knows.

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Jul 17, 2011 12:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Pedro Feliz is RH, isn’t he?

by Phrozen on Jul 17, 2011 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh… I think Valdez may be an upgrade over him.

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Jul 17, 2011 1:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Is Smuggles still GM of

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Jul 17, 2011 12:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Igor comes through….Nats top Braves

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 16, 2011 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Lannan

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 17, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

A real soldier’s tale.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Jul 17, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least the Nats did us a favor.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jul 16, 2011 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Just read this on Twitter....

Since his 5-inning miracle on May 25, Baez has appeared in 10 games, posted a 12.34 ERA and opponents have hit .365 against him.

by The Fish on Jul 16, 2011 10:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I read that earlier, but I couldn’t pinpoint it, so I didn’t want to include it unless I could attribute it to someone. But it’s one of those stats that sticks with you in a suicide inducing kind of way.

by lizroscher on Jul 16, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

@Philled_In

by The Fish on Jul 16, 2011 10:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

miracle tends to be an overused word…in this case it’s apropos

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 16, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I recall correctly, the amazing part about that game is Baez actually pitched well for those five innings. It is not like he had a five inning span of incredible good fortune.

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by Justin F. on Jul 16, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

you recall correctly…hence, the miracle

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 16, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that was an all around strange game.

We are the Phightin' Irish

by Veni Vidi Vici on Jul 16, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually just rewatched that game. Over five innings, one hit, three strikeouts, no walks.

by lizroscher on Jul 16, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The best five inning stretch of his career.

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Jul 17, 2011 12:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

So true story. I was at work all day and not able to check up on the game, but then I saw the score when I was at dinner and for whatever reason thought Kendrick was pitching today and thought “yeah, that’s about what we can expect, a classic Kendrick egg we have all grown accustomed to.” Then I got home and saw the box score and realized that it was Hamels and that Kendrick pitches tomorrow. Ruined my whole day.

We are the Phightin' Irish

by Veni Vidi Vici on Jul 16, 2011 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Man, am I glad I didn’t stick around long enough to hear such wonderful broadcasting. I just looooove national games.

"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews

by Senor Octubre on Jul 16, 2011 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I know I’ve said this before, but remember back before regional sports networks and every single Major League game was on cable and people would get excited about their team’s game being carried by CBS/NBC/ESPN since it meant they got to watch their favorite team on television? Now the reaction is “oh great now we have to listen to (insert annoying announcer here) all game.” Or for this season “oh great now we get to watch all those goofy camera angles that ESPN/Fox uses.”

We are the Phightin' Irish

by Veni Vidi Vici on Jul 16, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Modern cable has spoiled us!

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Jul 17, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Mets lead the league in love.

That is all.

by Wet Luzinski on Jul 17, 2011 12:14 AM EDT reply actions  

The reinforcements are coming!!!

Brad Lidge:
         1 IP, 0H, 0R, 0BB, 1K

Shane Victorino:
          3-5, 2B, RBI

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Jul 17, 2011 12:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I say send Baez packing once Lidge comes back. Stutes and Bastardo have earned their complete season tickets to the big show and Perez is quickly earning his way as well. If anything, it takes even more pressure off Lidge (who knows he won’t be closing anyway), tossing him in the mix with the younger guys who are more than capable of picking him up if he tosses a turkey every once in a while.

by Sisko on Jul 17, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perez is as wild as a wild card gets. but, yeah, without Contreras around, Baez value is greatly diminished. gotta figure he’s dfa’d at some point for sure.

25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!

by Joecatz on Jul 17, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least the Braves lost?

"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain

by soman319 on Jul 17, 2011 12:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Amen to that- just out of curiosity…

Is it better to give up a lead off walk to the pitcher, or a two run single to the pitcher?

P.S.- rooting for the Nats was a little tough tonight- there is just something slimy about rooting for Lannan to do well!

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Jul 17, 2011 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wth?

from press of Atlantic City: “Lidge retired the side in order, striking out one. He threw 12 pitches – seven fastballs, four sliders and a curveball. Didn’t know he had that pitch….

What are you talking about?

by shiiro126029 on Jul 17, 2011 1:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Me either- could pitch f/x be wrong?

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Jul 17, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably a slurve which is kinda like a weak slider.

by j reed on Jul 17, 2011 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lidge....

can technically throw a curve… Looked it up, the Astros had him stop throwing it, but that’s no reason to believe that he can’t anymore. Although I couldn’t even begin to answer why he’d throw one now. Having fun in the minors? idk…

What are you talking about?

by shiiro126029 on Jul 17, 2011 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fairly certain his only pitches are a 4-seam FB, his Slider, and a 2-seam sinking fastball (which he has VERY rarely thrown in the Majors, last I can recall is 2009). Pitch f/x probably just mistook his slider for a curve.

by Philly Greg on Jul 17, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he’s trying to work one in? His velocity is way down at the moment so maybe he’s trying to mix some other pitches in.

We are the Phightin' Irish

by Veni Vidi Vici on Jul 17, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Found something...

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8244 : “During his three years as a pro, Lidge had multiple elbow surgeries, the last of which interrupted a stint in the Arizona Fall League in order to remove bone chips. The Astros felt that throwing his curveball was part of the reason for the persistent health issue, so that pitch was replaced in his repertoire by a slider in the hopes that he would be able to stay on the mound more often.”

I wonder why he would have thrown it though…

What are you talking about?

by shiiro126029 on Jul 17, 2011 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought conventional wisdom was that the slider is the hardest pitch on the elbow.

by phatj on Jul 17, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is hamels gonna regress or is there room for him to regress? Or was this more a recipe of the long layoff and all-star week? I know he struggles against the mets, but yeeesh.

by PhilsForever on Jul 17, 2011 2:18 AM EDT reply actions  

There’s no reason to think Hamels should regress. His career numbers against the Mets are pretty bad, and he might’ve let those early defensive miscues get into his head a bit. The layoff probably didn’t help, either.

"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews

by Senor Octubre on Jul 17, 2011 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

sometimes you just get hammered

by yolacrary on Jul 17, 2011 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

It looked to me he was a little too strong, and fastballs were sailing. He only needed a little luck (besides Howard’s goof, it seemed most 3B could have picked the ball past Valdez) to escape most of the damage, but I’ve never seen an unluckier pitcher, not to mention the Phils seem to save their worst for him.

by Boethius on Jul 17, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rich Harden, Kelvim Escobar, Justin Duchscherer. They all have spent most of their careers on the DL. That’s the worst luck of all.

by j reed on Jul 17, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s Hamels and the Mets. It’s an aberration. Nothing to see here. Utley and Howard deserved to be called out. I don’t think it’s a sign of regression. Cole probably realized which way the wind was blowing fairly early and he was annoyed.

by Sisko on Jul 17, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are no signs that Cole Hamels is performing at a level that can’t be sustained. Even if you are the best pitcher in the league, you can still have a bad day and get smacked around, even against a Mets line-up without Wright, Reyes, and Beltran. Bad days happen.

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by Justin F. on Jul 17, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Phillies finish the series with Kyle Kendrick (4-4, 3.58 ERA, better in the bullpen) facing off against Mike Pelfry (5-8, 4.55 ERA, wildly inconsistent).

If you go by 2011 xFIP splits, Kendrick has actually been much better in the rotation.

As starter (7 G, 35.0 IP): 4.79 FIP, 3.76 xFIP
As reliever (15 G, 25.1 IP): 3.99 FIP, 5.42 xFIP

by taco pal on Jul 17, 2011 2:48 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s almost amazing: the seemingly perfect inverse relation between Kyle’s FIP and xFIP.

by Phrozen on Jul 17, 2011 5:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats because all 6 of his HR’s have come as a starter.

25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!

by Joecatz on Jul 17, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just curious. Which of these is a bigger reason for that?

a) his one bad relief appearance on April 18th? (1 IP, 1H, 3R 1ER 3BB, 0K) after a 10 day lay off when he came in in the 12th inning?

b) the fact that of his 18BB and 27K’s on the season, he has 12BB to 8K’s in 25.1 relief innings and only 6BB to 19K’s in 35 IP as a starter?

25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!

by Joecatz on Jul 17, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m still learning about more advanced stats, so I wasn’t aware of that. I was going by his ERA as a starter vs reliever, which I know isn’t the best indicator of actual performance.

by lizroscher on Jul 17, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was hoping...

Cholly had pulled Rollins for dogging it on the doubleplay ball. He has out by two strides and the play developed slow enough I doubted they were going to turn it. Not the first time he’s GIDP when it looked like he should have beaten it.

by Boethius on Jul 17, 2011 8:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I didn’t see the game but didn’t Rollins come out of the game with a minor leg injury after this?

No wait he was obviously “dogging it.”

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Jul 17, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wish he would dog it more instead of getting hurt. If I were manager, I might fine him for running to hard in game situations that don’t matter that much.

by taco pal on Jul 17, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

this, along with Utley diving for balls 15 feet out of his reach, just because “thats how he plays the game”.

25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!

by Joecatz on Jul 17, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

He does seem to calculate the minimal sufficient effort necessary for his every action, so he must be hearing you.

by Boethius on Jul 17, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good. He’s smart. The people who criticize him are morons, in contrast.

by taco pal on Jul 17, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Incidentally, if Rollins continues to prove that he’s able to do what it takes to avoid injury, that should raise his value. I had previously proposed 3 years, $33 million as a target for an extension, but if I’m more confident of his ability to stay healthy, I might be willing to push that to 4 years, $60 million.

by taco pal on Jul 17, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Witty, you got me there. Of course, I don’t have 15 hours a day to hang on this site and be the self-appointed know-it-all of all thiing Phillies.

by Boethius on Jul 17, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll wear my label with pride, and you do the same.

by taco pal on Jul 17, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably because when there’s a new comment, it says “new” on the main page.

by taco pal on Jul 17, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

The arrogance and dogmatism notwithstanding, I thought you were smarter than that. Let me put it another way: are you paid to hang out here 24/7, or do you simply have no other life?

by Boethius on Jul 17, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re entitled to your own opinion I suppose, though not your own facts. To answer your question: No.

by taco pal on Jul 17, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did have some tightness, yes.

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by Justin F. on Jul 17, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mayberry

Anyone else think Mayberry in the two spot was a little silly?

"My truck done shocked the fire outta me. My arm don't hurt no more" - Roy Oswalt

by Zach_B on Jul 17, 2011 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

not when you consider the other options

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 17, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just dont want him to be rushed along, or make him feel like he has to be the right-handed bat.

"My truck done shocked the fire outta me. My arm don't hurt no more" - Roy Oswalt

by Zach_B on Jul 17, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if being selected to bat 2nd over Wilson Valdez puts any pressure on him

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 17, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Francisco in the 5 spot was sillier.

25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!

by Joecatz on Jul 17, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering what they had, how do you lay out the lineup without either 1. Putting one of the not so good/ proven in the 2 and 5 holes or putting a black hole at the bottom of the lineup?

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Jul 17, 2011 1:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ibanez

is crushing it. He’s your 5 hitter. Not Francisco. Chooch hits 6 Ben 7th.

25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!

by Joecatz on Jul 17, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you have just created a one inning dead zone of Francisco-Valdez-Pitcher that Manuel may have been trying to avoid.

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Jul 17, 2011 9:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Phillies need...

to bring in Ivor Robson, the guy who does the 1st tee announcements at the British open, to do Dan Baker’s job for a day…that would crack me up

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

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