Greg Dobbs vs. Jayson Werth

by BySaam on Jul 20, 2011 10:35 PM EDT

Going into today Greg Dobbs was batting .302 w/a .346 OBP, 26 RBI and a .735 OPS. Werth was hitting .212 with 31 ribbies, a .321 OBP and a .673 OPS. When you look at the RBI comparison, consider the fact that Werth had batted 344 times and Dobbs had 222 AB. I had a sneaking suspicion Werth would suck this year, but who would have thought that Greg Dobbs would actually be better?

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I actually cringed

When I read that breakdown. Poor Jayson. On the brightside, he gets to make 9 figures to play baseball.

by Dpez71 on Jul 21, 2011 1:21 AM EDT reply actions

When you look at the RBI comparison, consider the fact that Werth had batted 344 times and Dobbs had 222 AB.

True, but then again, RBI don’t tell you much about a player, and in this case even the rate stats are a bit deceptive.

Jayson Werth is an every day player, Dobbs is platooning (with Wes Helms!) and thus his rate stats reflect primarily PA’s where he has a platoon advantage. If Dobbs had to (try to) hit lefties, his stats would sink like a rock. Not sure if they’d be worse than Werth’s right now, but it’s likely they’d be worse than they are now. Remember, there’s a reason Dobbs has not been used against lefties throughout his career.

Of course, I’m nitpicking a bit here. Fact is, it shouldn’t even be close; Dobbs is a better player than he was last year, but Werth should be far better than this even if he’s regressed. And Werth’s contract is astronomically larger than Dobbs’s.

The difference appears to be all BA, which makes me think Werth is getting killed by BABIP this year. Hitters affect their own BABIP, and BA is partly affected by strikeouts, which Werth has always been fond of, but Werth should be hitting better than .212 at least. (Dobbs probably shouldn’t be hitting .302 on the other hand, but .270-.280 wouldn’t be surprising.) I should go look up Werth’s peripherals.

by Rujasu on Jul 21, 2011 9:17 AM EDT reply actions

In this case...

…it seemed like looking into advanced metrics was unnecessary considering the massive difference in salary and expectations.

by BySaam on Jul 21, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions

BABIP of .261 is low, but not low enough to explain .212.

by Cormican on Jul 22, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Can Dobbs play LF?

"Learning to eat soup with a knife"

by h2o_34_35_44 on Jul 21, 2011 11:15 AM EDT reply actions

We already have a crappy LF

by phatj on Jul 21, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions

hello, hello Saam

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Jul 21, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions

Hello

I don’t know this poster, but the name should be familiar to old-timers like myself. He (Byrum “By” Saam) was the voice of the Phillies radio and TV broadcasts for many years.
http://www.broadcastpioneers.com/bysaambio.html

by phillyinportland on Jul 21, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions