Big Brother is Watching: Phillies 3, Padres 1
by WholeCamels on Jul 22, 2011 10:15 PM EDT
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PrintOn a ballpark retro flashback night intended to honor the 1984 seasons for both the Phillies and the visiting Padres, National League champs that season, Cole Hamels flat-out dominated on a night meant to pay tribute to a season he would have experienced only as an infant.
Hamels pitched eight innings, striking out ten (including seven of the first nine batters he faced), allowing just three hits and one walk as the Phillies defeated the Padres by a score of 3-1. Hamels had one of his strongest changeups of the season, including swinging strike after swinging strike in the early going.
The Padres gave the Phillies more than a little help. In the second inning, Shane Victorino led off with a hard groundball that was misplayed by shortstop Jason Bartlett. Victorino reached second base on some heads-up baserunning, and would score on a "double" to center field that clanked off the glove of Cameron Maybin. The Phillies would score their second run on a balk by Padres starter Cory Luebke in the bottom of the fourth, and scored their third and final run later that at-bat on an RBI double by John Mayberry.
The Padres manufactured their sole run in the fifth on a single and stolen base by Cameron Maybin, and a pair of "productive out" groundouts.
Amazingly, a fifth inning single by Chase Utley was the Phillies final hit of the night, as the Padres bullpen contributed three hitless innings. Hamels and Co. were just too much for the Padres anemic offense.
Ryan Madson threw a 1-2-3 ninth inning for the save, apparently taking his new-old-new job back from Antonio Bastardo.
Goodnight everyone.
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If I may, I’d like to suggest a future installment of the Cole Hamels Mitch-o-Meter: Tastykake Varieties.
"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews
Was pleasantly surprised to see that Charlie pulled Hamels after the 8th inning and 100 pitches. I would not have been super-outraged if he hadn’t given the closeness of the score, but I thought it was the right move. Well done Charlie (for once).
I applauded the TV when they said Madson was starting to warm up again
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 22, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t understand why Manuel is letting guys like Halladay lead the majors in complete games. If the Phillies want to make it deep into October, they need to save their rotation. I personally wouldn’t let their top four pitchers throw more than seven complete innings per game, and I’d pull them even earlier if the Phillies are winning by 5 + runs.
by yankeesgirl on Jul 23, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I tend to look at number of pitches more than innings
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 23, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s more about laboring than it is pitch count.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jul 23, 2011 4:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Braves win. It’s funny – things seem to have flip turned upside down for them this month. For most of the year, their pitching was keeping pace with the Phillies (minus the injured players), while their hitting was struggling even worse than the Phils’ offense.
In July (SSS), most of their hitters have been on fire, including Dan Uggla, who was horrible in the first half. Jason Heyward is also on the road back to normalcy. But Alex Gonzalez is doing poorly, while their pitching may be coming back down to earth. Brandon Beachy had a terrible start, which is ruining his July split so far. Jurrjens isn’t getting quite as lucky anymore, and Lowe and Hudson have been average or below-average.
Quick opinion question…what contracts do you think we should give Hamels/Madson/Rollins.
I was thinking Hamels 5 years/115 Million
Rollins 3 years/38 Million
Madson 3 years/35 Million
I don’t know if I’d want to pay Madson that, but I think that might get it done.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Jul 22, 2011 10:41 PM EDT reply actions
All 3 seem like realistic numbers to me but a lot of things will factor into the final contract numbers. Hamels seems the hardest to predict since it could be a year and half until he signs a long term deal.
Following what TP asked, these should not be starting numbers (especially for Rollins and Madson) but depending on what the FA market dictates, they’re realistic numbers. Personally, I would be surprised if Madson gets that deal from the Phils.
by FanSince1993 on Jul 22, 2011 11:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think the Phils will pay that and am not sure they should (I love Madson, but closers can be so volatile)
I think Hamels’ numbers could be higher if we wait till free agency (if he keeps it up he could get cliff lee numbers)… I think we might just try to sign him early with the small bit of leverage that he will be worried about getting injured in the next year and a half.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Jul 22, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Hamels is too much. He has a year of team control left, so any extension would take that into account.
Rollins is pretty much near where I hope you’d be able to get him.
Madson is a bit too much.
by philsandthrills on Jul 22, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The Hamels deal would be a lot (both yrs and annual value) as an extension. I was thinking that wouldn’t be far off of what he could get as a true FA. I feel like Hamels would be reluctant to extend himself for 5 years before allowing himself to hit free agency anyway
by FanSince1993 on Jul 22, 2011 11:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah my numbers are probably inflated for Hamels… if we were to extend him for 4-5 now then we could probably get him for like annual value 18 million or something. I guess I disagree that Hamels would be reluctant to extend because of at least some fear of injury since he hasn’t gotten his big pay day yet. I think the longer we wait to sign him the more likely he will be to test free agency.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Jul 23, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
But if he decides he only wants to sign for say 3/55, then he’s inline for a huge payday at age 30 as opposed to signing for 5 or 6 years and not hitting free agency for the first time until age 32/33. I’m not saying he definitely won’t sign past 3 years just that I think it will play a roll in his decision.
And I have to respectfully disagree on the fear of injuries playing a roll. He’s getting 15 mill in arbitration at the least next year and I really don’t think athletes in their prime negotiate contracts with a fear of injury in mind (aside from football and maybe hockey players)
by FanSince1993 on Jul 23, 2011 12:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe he’ll negotiate for an open faced club sandwhich with a player option
by FanSince1993 on Jul 23, 2011 12:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s fine. I agree that Hamels could sign a shorter deal with the Phillies for an even bigger payday at 30. I don’t think the injury thing would loom large (why I said a small but of leverage), but I think it could make him willing to not knock-off a couple mil off his total deal.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Jul 23, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Firstly, I apologize for the club sandwhich comment, I really botched that, blame it on the heat.
But I think were basically on the same page. Reasonable ballpark numbers but a lot will determine what actually happens
by FanSince1993 on Jul 23, 2011 12:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I thought you were going to say Open faced club sand-wedge… but we all know the best way to get peas… with a knife!
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Jul 23, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Madson is leaving via free agency. With Stouts, Bastardo, and, a ton of good relievers on the market this off season it wouldn’t surprise me to see him out of town with a huge deal.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jul 23, 2011 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Who gives him idiot money, though?
If not PHI, then who? NYY? BOS? NYM? LAD?
It needs to be someone in need of a closer and someone with lots of cash. I’d have to dig to see what teams might have that slot to fill at year’s end. Right now, I honestly don’t know, though the teams listed above (if PHI is included) certainly can’t/won’t.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 23, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I like Madson, but I think the order of importance for re-signing is Cole by a lot, then Jimmy, the Madson.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Jul 23, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I was asking if we do sign them, what do you think the contracts will look like. I figured throwing out numbers would be more likely to get people to respond to tell me how stupid I am and then I’d get their opinions.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Jul 22, 2011 10:49 PM EDT reply actions
Hamels 80's hyper linked Post Game remarks & SD Zoo Animal Mitch-o-meter reading: Inland Taipan
Hamels Post Game: Coming from Chicago, it was nice to be home sweet home again. I felt good tonight, located well, and my stuff was nasty. I felt for the Phanatic out there, you know, it certainly was a cruel summer night. I was talking to Mickey in the pen before the game and he told me not to push it, you know, cause sometimes my pride puts me in dire straights. All credit goes to Chooch though, you know, cause it takes two out there and I didn’t shake him all night long. Yes, I have been loggin a lot of inings, you know, so I understand Charlie wanting to give Madson his first work for the weekend. It’s funny, my sister’s husband Christian came rushing down under to the clubhouse after the game about not finishing the in the 9th, but you know, I don’t go for that. I’ll tell all you talking heads what I told him…If I continue to string outings like this together time after time, you know, we will be burning down this house in October and I’ll be driving another little red corvette.
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 22, 2011 10:50 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I hope at the end of the season, you have a FanPost that has all of these meters in one spot just so we can marvel at them.
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by WanderingMoses on Jul 22, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
consider it done, and thanks
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 22, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you put his final pitching line for the night with them too? And the date? Maybe a link to the recap? THIS IS GOING TO BE AWESOME, GUYS.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 23, 2011 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Inland taipan, nice. I think I’ve got some pictures of one of those in my hard drive from one of my trips to the reptile house in Rapid City, SD.
deadliest snake in the world…who knew?
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 22, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course, since it lives in very remote parts of Australia, the only people who ever get bitten tend to be researchers and zookeepers, all of whom have been given anti-venom. Even though the inland taipan has the most potent venom of any land snake in the world, there has never been a recorded human fatality from its bite.
Which is good, as Australia has eleventy billion other creatures that will kill you.
I’ve heard they’re really not that aggressive. Gotta provoke the hell out of them to get bitten.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Jul 22, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s an enjoyable movie on this topic: Fierce Creatures http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119115/
by phillyinportland on Jul 23, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure Mr. Orwell had that last part in mind when he developed newspeak. Damn Ingsoc.
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by WanderingMoses on Jul 23, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
and his at bats look even worse than that if that is even possible
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 22, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
numbers vs. the other starters are more encouraging
vs. Tim Stauffer (Sunday)
4 for 8, 2 HR, 1 BB, 4 K
.500/.556/1.250
So, that would make his BABIP 1.000
vs. Aaron Harang (Monday)
5 for 18, 1 2B, 3 HR, 4 BB, 5 K
.278/.409/.833
so why not start Gload and give him a hot day off.
by Wet Luzinski on Jul 22, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve stopped asking these sorts of questions with Charlie…added years to my life
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 22, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Ibanez is almost as bad
Same slash, 3K’s.
Sit Raul again Charlie! Latos is they guy that gets in his head and does whatever his head does to make that change in his swing to go from HOT to NOT.
Don’t tempt the gods, Fuqua!!!
25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!
Good to see Big John in there. He’s been under appreciated by a lot of the fan base all year. Not here mind you, but the Pence for the entire farm system factions.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
by Ed Van Chimp on Jul 23, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally OT, but my second trip to an Arena League Football game was no better than the first.
Regrettable, the sport looks kind of interesting, but the axiom: “You have to add a lot of sauce when the meat is rancid” kept recurring in my mind.
I may start an SBN blog about the Soul that will feature lots of pop-up ads and default ALL COMMENTS TO CAPS to capture the vibe.
by Wet Luzinski on Jul 22, 2011 11:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
But...
Bon Jovi, right?
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 23, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Madson’s total no-drama save was a pleasant surprise. I wasn’t sure it was a good idea either to take Cole out or to use Maddog instead of Li’l Bastard, but Cholly pushed the right button.
by dajafi on Jul 22, 2011 11:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Twins lose to the Tigers again
Currently 7 games back, a sweep would put the Twins 9 games back and force them to reconsider their position of being a buyer. If the Phils were to get a rental bat, I would prefer that they get Cuddyer over Beltran. I like Cuddyer’s flexibility at 1B/3B/OF, he mashes LHP, and he is quite the magician. I don’t know what the Twins would want, but I would much rather trade prospects both out of the division and to the AL..
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
What did it take to get Eric Milton for a year? Nick Punto and Carlos Silva, at the time a scrub infielder and pitching prospect with some potential. I also like Cuddyer’s flexibility, even if he doesn’t do that well in the infield. I guess the key for the Twins is whether they think they will re-sign him and if not, whether it’s better to trade him or take additional draft picks if he earns those.
by phillyinportland on Jul 23, 2011 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=17159869
A fan shouts something at the beginning of this clip: “Come on [something], get up!” it sounds like. Can anyone make it out?
Thanks.
The Good Phight, Big Black Kids, and now NotGraphs. Fun!
by FuquaManuel on Jul 23, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Come on TP…I was 5 seconds late and thrills gets 2 Thanks to my Zilch…cold hearted
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 23, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
You know what they call the person who’s 5 seconds late?
Nothing. Because they don’t care.
by philsandthrills on Jul 23, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Is this Blake from Glengarry Glen Ross?
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 23, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
How the hell did that happen? I’m not even commenting via mobile.
by philsandthrills on Jul 23, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks.
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 23, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
On that picture of Fallingwater, you can actually see how much the cantilevered parts of the building have sagged. Before it was stabilized and leveled a bit, parts of it must have been feeling funhouse-ish.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 23, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually heard this live and rewound it a few times to make it out…“Come on predator, get up!”
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 23, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
“The last thing the Phillies want to do is to lose Michael Martinez.”
by phillyinportland on Jul 23, 2011 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey guys, Astros fan here:
Just read somewhere that it might be possible for us to acquire both Brown and Singleton from you guys in return for Pence.
I’m assuming that this isn’t likely, so I’ll ask you a question:
What is the absolute most you are willing to give up for Hunter Pence?
I only ask because our GM, Ed Wade, thinks Hunter’s value is that of Ryan Braun’s (which is obviously ridiculous).
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
Probably a package built around Singleton. Singleton, May, Pettibone, and Santana, for example. And really, that’s way too much.
by philsandthrills on Jul 23, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Singleton and a bag of potato chips
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 23, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
reply fail…move it up one
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 23, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
You don’t actually know what your GM thinks, you only know what he’s said, which isn’t necessarily the same thing, particularly around the trade deadline.
In any event, I might give up Worley by himself for Pence, but I might not, and I don’t think I’d offer any more than that.
What is the absolute most you are willing to give up for Hunter Pence?
Nothing the Astros would want.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 23, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Wade overvalues Pence, so much as he sees its a sellers market, and he’s looking for maximum return. He’s also in an unenviable position of being a lame duck, with a new owner not yet approved, and trying not to do anything that will jeapordize his slim chances of staying in his job. Standing pat with Pence is better than moving him for real value in that regard.
But a fair trade would be, either Singleton or Cosart and Ben Francisco. Dom Brown goes nowhere.
25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!
http://twitter.com/#!/Threshers/status/94607192786862080
Also, rest easy Phans. Brody was pulled with a tight groin as a precaution and is expected to make his next start.
Thank the baseball Gods, he’s had enough injury problems this year.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 23, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Shameless Plug
I heard it went down like this, actually….
http://www.thegoodphight.com/2011/7/23/2289830/friday-night-gm-trade-party-a-transcript
25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!
Upton & Jennings pulled from their games
WaPo’s Adam Kilgore tweet
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
I’ve been really shocked that upton hasn’t been the talk of more rumors, and frankly, would rather deal form him than Beltran or pence, if were dealing for anyone. I REALLY don’t wanna see Washington snag him.
Upton came upmas an infielder, remember, And while he was never a spectacular 2b/3b and hasn’t played there since 07, hes more than serviceable in a pinch.
I was convinced we were getting him last night until I read Colvin was pulled.
#ilovethetradedeadline
25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!
These fricken throwback unis were sweet. I could have sworn that was actually Carlton on the mound tonight.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Jim Riggleman,
Special Assignment Scout for the San Francisco Giants, was at last night’s game and the Cubs game before it.
Who are the Giants scouting? I’m a tad worried, because I really don’t want to give any of our MLBers to the Giants and I don’t want any of theirs. Maybe he was scouting a Cub and then decided to scout a Padre and it was just a weird coincidence that they were both Phillies games. Yeah. That’s it.
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
I decided to breathe a little easier when I looked up the Wild Card standings and it shows that the Braves hold a six-game lead over Arizona for it. Which means a 10 game postseason cushion!
Yay Guys! Best record!
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TWSS.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 23, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
If we get a RHB than we can up those numbers. Why hasn’t Rubin pulled the trigger yet. I know Beltran is available and, I’m sure we could package a deal around Brown & Singleton, hell throw Worely in if need be but, just get it done.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jul 23, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jul 23, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Whew. The problem was, there are too many dummies out there these days who think exactly what you said!
I’ve seen it far too many times on other websites. That one isn’t close to the worst of them though.
It's only gonna get funner
by VanceinmyPants on Jul 23, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I like my outfielders WHITE, goddammit!!
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Jul 23, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t let FM see this it will turn into a 40+ comment discussion on racism in the baseball system.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jul 23, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
and the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 23, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you hear that
He shot down a sub….
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jul 23, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Any deal that gives up any of the 3 I would be against. Still have Jimmy to resign a new LFer & replace Blanton & Oswalt. Need cost effective answers going into next season.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jul 23, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I sure hope this isn't true
https://twitter.com/#!/VICTORRMARTINE1
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jul 23, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
looks fake
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jul 23, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
what do you mean?
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Jul 23, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
never mind. i did not realize you were joking.
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98.8%, according to Baseball Prospectus’ latest projections, with the Barves coming in at about 93%. Pretty comfortable spot.
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by WanderingMoses on Jul 23, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Braves are almost 6x as likely to miss the post season as we are. Sounds better than we’re both almost locked in.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jul 23, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I would be willing to trade Brown – but only if the following conditions were Met (see what I did there?)
1) Mets paid the entirety of Beltran’s remaining salary
2) David Wright was thrown in with the Mets picking up remainder of the contract, including his 2013 option.
3) Jose Reyes included after signing an extension for, say 4 years-40 million; sort of an MLB version of the NBA’s Sign-and-Trade.
Otherwise, Brown stays.
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by WanderingMoses on Jul 23, 2011 10:24 AM EDT reply actions
Eh, at that point it seems like we’re robbing them. Send a couple cases of Tastykakes too.
by Airedale260 on Jul 23, 2011 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And don’t forget the couple of bucks just for their trouble.
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by WanderingMoses on Jul 23, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
27 times...
The Phils have held opponents to one run or less. With their record at 62-36 that’s (coincidentally) 27% of the time. Awesome
by FanSince1993 on Jul 23, 2011 12:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, I’m a round down kinda guy and I figured it was close enough to get away with. Plus I liked the symmetry of the 27/27 thing
by FanSince1993 on Jul 23, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Worley has more value
to the Phillies than virtually any team they would trade him to…I lean more towards the Worley is Happ part deux crowd, but I gotta admit I have been impressed by his ever improving peripherals…at this point, with the money already spent and the money needed to sign Rollins, Madson, and Hamels…cheap back of the rotation starters have a ton of value to the Phillies….the FA market for starters is pretty bad, and there is no other prospect ready to take his place…not to mention Blanton’s place if he is unable to return. IMO, I would consider both Worley and Brown to be untouchable this year.
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
I agree… I think Worley would be a nice serviceable and cheap 4th-5th starter and that’s all I want from him
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Jul 23, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I know he came up last July but the arbitration rules always confuse me. Could he be super 2 eligible in 2013? or is he looking at 2014 before arbitration?
25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!
There is a huge difference though between Worley and Happ. Not only is Worley a better pitcher, but he is younger. J.A. Happ was 27 when the Phillies traded him last year for Oswalt. Vance Worley is only 23 years old. Someone like Worley is much more valuable to the Phillies now than Happ was last year.
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not to mention
That we were getting Oswalt in return for Happ, effectively upgrading the same position. We don’t have anyone to immediately replace Worley in the rotation
by FanSince1993 on Jul 23, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Kyle Kendrick slots into the 4th spot. Aaron Heilman is the 5th starter. When Oswalt returns, he replaces Heilman. If/when Blanton returns, he replaces Kendrick. It’s easy!
/worst idea ever
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I doubt the Phillies really care about age in this context. The team needs to get younger to maintain its success in the long-term, but that’s more about the core players than the lesser ones like Worley. Worley being A) better and B) cheaper (by virtue of being a rookie) than Happ should be all they care about.
I am just refuting the comparison that Worley is this year’s JA Happ, and one of the major differences is age. Worley’s age (and the fact that he is already better than Happ) gives him a higher ceiling than Happ ever had. While Worley may seem disposable in the short-term (i.e. 2011 playoffs provided Oswalt returns and no one else gets injured), there will be value in keeping Worley on the team, especially with Oswalt’s status being up in the air for next season.
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I've changed my tune on the Worley trade idea.
A few days ago I was all for trading Worley instead of prospects. Not anymore.
The simple fact is that if you are making a move to WIN NOW, trading Worley for Pence, as the rumors call, actually hurts your chances of getting to the postseason, or winning the division, MORE than it helps them once you get there. Its marginal, at best, but its not a smart move, by any means.
As much as I see more long term upside to Cosart, Singleton, et al. If theres a gun to my head and I have to choose, I keep Worley and trade the prospect.
And anyway, Hunter Pence is gonna be available in the offseason. And he’s gonna cost less if thats the way they decide to go.
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Cosart is the only guy I’m really that willing to lose. He’s got such a good arm, but his injury history is worrisome. He’s got good value, and we have enough arms hopefully to offset the loss.
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by Ed Van Chimp on Jul 23, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
We all worried about Hamels’ durabiliy, too.
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I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 23, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Echoing what someone said earlier, I think Worley and Brown have to be untradeable. I am, however, starting to come to terms with the idea of some combination of Cosart/Singleton being moved. Not for Bell or any other bullpen arm mind you, but if the price is right on Beltran (hoping he is resignable) or Pence I could part with prospects.
I’m not saying we NEED to make a move, but with the increasing rumors that we WILL make one, I’m ok with losing a few prospects.
by FanSince1993 on Jul 23, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to
I don’t like it any more than the next guy, but its inevitable. Still, its about taking a punch without breaking your jaw. Coasrt for beltran straight up? I’m cool with that. start adding other pieces? no thanks.
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For me a Beltran deal comes to the viability of signing him after this year.
by FanSince1993 on Jul 23, 2011 2:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think its very viable. If you look at who’s available, FA wise, He’s probably the best out there. It comes down to how long of a deal he wants for how much, and whether we want to go there. I’m sure thats coming into consideration with the higher ups, too. Unfortunately, theres no way he’s signing a market extention and I’m not sure you wanna do that anyway, until you see how he fits. So you either take your chances, or move on.
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Personally, I think Worley will have his highest trade value this offseason. We need him for the playoff run.
The question is, is he going to be able to adjust once there is all that tape on him? I know he pitched two games last year and all, but this is his real season debut, and we all know what happens a pitcher’s sophomore season. But hey, if people are having trouble with him, abuse that in the playoffs!
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
Worley is gonna get very limited action in the postseason if Oswalt is Healthy, and his history of non routine appearances is less than encouraging, but I almost agree with you on the off season thing.
Mainly because you have a better handle on the Blanton situation, Oswalt, et al… And theres gonna be someone out there who will overvalue Worley. The point is, if you decide to trade a guy like Worley, you do it because you are getting a great return for him, not for a rental, or as an overpay in a deadline deal.
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I can’t see Oswalt pitching again this year.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
Dude,
He threw a simulated session eysterday, and everyone was raving. He says he needs one rehab start, but he’ll get more than that. He’s back in the rotation by mid august at the latest.
Blanton is another story altogether.
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See how Joe explained something I didn’t know without being a douche over it? You need to stop trolling. You posted this almost 12 hours after the conversation ended. You are the definition of a troll. And it does get to me, and it does annoy me, and you need to stop. You are showing yourself to be extremely immature and petty.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
You see my name and post that picture solely to annoy me.
Wikipedia: In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory[, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response
You are off-topic to the discussion, it is 12 hours later, it is aimed at me, and it is done to annoy me. Please explain how you are not trolling me.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
Anyone else have a sudden urge to buy a BMW?
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Jul 23, 2011 2:58 PM EDT reply actions
Hahaha. There seems to be a lot of talk about the uniforms. Maybe the team will consider pulling them out more often.
They were quite a sight to see. Unveiling them once a year does not do it justice. Calling up China right now to get one as speak.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Jul 23, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
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