Vicious Caining: Giants 2, Phillies 1
by dajafi on Jul 27, 2011 10:11 PM EDT
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PrintHours after the defending World Series champion Giants snagged the biggest known prize on the trade market in outfielder Carlos Beltran, they turned aside the Phillies with a victory that perfectly followed their 2010 script: superlative pitching supported by just enough offense. Matt Cain was the star for San Francisco, limiting the Phils to four hits and one unearned run, inducing soft contact again and again over seven-plus innings, and never facing a serious threat despite registering just one strikeout.
A third-inning RBI triple by former Phillie Aaron Rowand plated the game's first run and sent Cole Hamels on the way to another hard-luck loss. Hamels wound up going 7 2/3 innings, surrendering a second run in the top of the seventh when Jeff Keppinger, the Giants' other big trade pickup (and a guy who would have been a fine addition to the Phils' roster), led off with a double and, after a walk to Cody Ross, scored on a sinking liner hit by Nate Schierholtz that Domonic Brown could neither catch nor block. Hamels followed by hitting Eli Whiteside with a pitch, but escaped the bases-loaded, no-out jam by popping up Cain and getting a double play grounder from Rowand.
The Phils scored their lone run in the bottom of the inning. Whiteside and Cain collided on a Shane Victorino pop up that fell to the ground and left Victorino at second. Following a Raul Ibanez popup, Brown cracked a grounder that took a crazy hop over the head of first baseman Aubrey Huff into right field, scoring Victorino. But Cain induced a double play from Carlos Ruiz that quelled the threat, and the Phillies didn't seriously threaten again.
Their streak of eight straight series victories now rests in the hands of Kyle Kendrick, who will start the finale against either Tim Lincecum, if he's finally stopped up, or former Phils farmhand-turned-all-star Ryan Vogelsong. Beltran is expected to be in the lineup. DUNT DUNT DUMMMMM!!!!
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Whiteside & Brown battle it out for Worst Defensive Player of the Game Honors - San Fran Mitch-o-meter reading: Dirty Hamels deserved a better fate!
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
lol Puck
real word, nicely done
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 27, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks.
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 28, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Nicely done, but Dirty Harry has got to be higher than the Zodiac Killer. Anton Cigurh he was not. Nicely done, either way.
I don’t rank serial killers..they are kinda all in the same group for me. I was actually thinking of switching Lo Pan and Dirty Harry on account of my childhood love of Big Trouble in Little China, but I have to be realistic.
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 28, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
PUCK!!! PHUCK PUCK and that god awful show- whadda about one of the founding members of the League of Extraordinary Assholes?
Fun Fun Fun in the fluffy chair
Flame up the herb
Woof down the beer
I’m your video DJ
I always talk like I’m wigged out on quaaludes
I wear a satin baseball jacket everywhere I go
My job is to help destroy
What’s left of your imagination
By feeding you endless doses
Of sugar-coated mindless garbage
So don’t create
Be sedate
Be a vegetable at home
And thwack on that dial
If we have our way even you will believe
This is the future of rock and roll….
MTV GET OFF THE AIR
Still rings true after all these years.
Sorry mang, what can I say? I’m a child of Jell-O and a grew up with Ian – it’s in my blood.
Surprised that we didn’t get a lot in the gamethread about the absolutely ASININE decision of Charlie to bunt with Rollins in the 8th inning after Choad reached by Catcher’s Interference.
If it were a tie game in the bottom of the 8th, I wouldn’t be pissed off about it, but the fact that he was so willing to give up an out while down a run is just poor management and indicated a lack of understanding about that whole situation.
A proud member of the Church of BaseBa'al
by WanderingMoses on Jul 27, 2011 10:19 PM EDT reply actions
I was at the game and everyone around me wondered the same
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 27, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Even my wife was screaming at the TV. She has read the charts about baserunners and outs and run scoring probabilities too.
A proud member of the Church of BaseBa'al
by WanderingMoses on Jul 27, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not married, but it is a prerequisite for my future wife to scream at the TV in situations like that
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 27, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a beautiful thing….most of the time.
A proud member of the Church of BaseBa'al
by WanderingMoses on Jul 27, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, my husband doesn’t really appreciate it all that much.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Heh. I think the most shocking one was when she yelled at Bobby Abreu while my dad (who’s been a fan of the Phils since the late 50’s) was with us watching. He couldn’t believe it and then congratulated her on becoming a ‘real Phillie fan’.
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by WanderingMoses on Jul 27, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s good. Although I think even getting up in his face isn’t going to stop him from relying on The Gut™ no matter how retarded of a decision it is.
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by WanderingMoses on Jul 28, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
And Charlie doesn’t use the bunt as much as most managers do. Except now, all of a sudden, he’s done it twice in two nights. Bad sign.
he’s just like gettin like a feel for it
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 27, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
How sure are we that it was Charlie’s decision? Could Rollins have come up with it on his own?
The only reasonable answer as far as trying the sacrifice there is that he had so little faith in Rollins getting a hit that instead he went for the virtual guarantee that the runner would get moved into scoring position, leaving the team with two chances to tie the game.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Jul 27, 2011 10:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Doubtful because Jimmy hates bunting. And with the opportunity to drive in the tying and go-ahead runs, he would have only bunted under orders.
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by WanderingMoses on Jul 27, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok. Thanks for clearing that up! (I remembered Rollins working on his bunting in Spring Training and know that he had at least one bunt hit earlier this year, so was not sure if maybe he was trying to bunt his way out of a slump).
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Jul 27, 2011 10:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, he had a look on his face, if I remember, that indicated he wasn’t happy at all about the bunt attempt. Might have factored into his poor bunt.
by phillyinportland on Jul 28, 2011 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Considering both how well Vogelsong has pitched and the Phillies history with unfamiliar pitchers, is the alternative any better? At least they have hit Timmy at times in the past.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Jul 27, 2011 10:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is perception bias. I don’t think the “unfamiliar pitchers” thing is true of the Phillies anymore than it is of any other team. They could cream Vogelsong.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
i like this place a lot better when you aren’t here, for two reasons:
1. Because it means the team is winning.
2. Because you aren’t here.
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by FuquaManuel on Jul 27, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
terrible pitch…inside fastball? WTF, keep that shit low and away to try and induce the DP
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 27, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I really hate The Book™
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Jul 27, 2011 10:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
5 games up.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Jul 27, 2011 10:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At home and bored.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Jul 27, 2011 10:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
WORLY?
I'm a left-hander in a right-hander's body.
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 28, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Twitter isn’t exactly the forum du jour of rational thought
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 27, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point. I blame the internet and reality television.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
so true
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 27, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow now I’m going to be thinking about this all night. Well thought out Blogs? College Debate teams? We have plenty of sources for irrational thought and hardly any if any at all for rational thought. I guess I’ll just keep watching Fox News (yes, that was a joke).
I just know that future archeologists are going to have a ball when they discover our civilizations’ use of Twitter
Trade me while I still have value
by Veni Vidi Vici on Jul 27, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The hatred does seem to be getting pretty mainstream, though. Most people don’t indulge in blogs such as this one, and get all their “analysis” from stuff like CSN. Thus, they probably tend to look at folks like Ricky Bo as experts and thus regard their opinions highly. On several occasions, I’ve tried to tell people that what they heard on TV was wrong, but then they tell me my opinion doesn’t stack up to those that do this for a living. Sigh.
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"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 27, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
got into an argument about him and Pence today. Blah blah blah Pence is a proven player…blah blah blah but he’s lucky, he can’t sustain this hitting
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 27, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Per CSN Sportsnite
Pirates file full complaint with MLB over last night’s blown call to end the game. Meal has acknowledged that he blew the call.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
How is a tag a judgment call, though? Either he tagged the runner or he didn’t.
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by WanderingMoses on Jul 27, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a quibble with you, TP, but rather with the rejection of the protest on the basis of ‘judgment’
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by WanderingMoses on Jul 27, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I hear you. But I think “judgment call” is defined as a call regarding what actually happened on the field. An obviously wrong judgment call is still a judgment call. What you can overturn is a rule interpretation, like in the Pine Tar game with George Brett. The ump didn’t get wrong anything he saw on the field, he just applied the rule wrongly.
MLB punished him by removing the “s” from his last name
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 27, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
My bad. The computer it is slowed to a crawl. Thought I typed the “s” but it didn’t show.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
no problem double
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 27, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
minor league starting pitching lines
Brody Colvin
5.0 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 5 BB, 3 K, 0 HR
22 BF, 6 GB, 0 LD, 8 FB
Colin Kleven
4.0 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, 0 HR, 1 HBP
19 BF, 9 GB, 3 LD, 4 FB (1 pop)
Oswalt?
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 27, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh right, we have a AAA team too.
4.0 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 4 K, 1 HR
15 BF, 6 GB, 1 LD, 2 FB (1 pop)
Awesome name. Sounds like an ABBA reject.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I guess they didn’t take a chance on him.
Trade me while I still have value
by Veni Vidi Vici on Jul 27, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Beat writers said he will need one more rehab start- probably Monday in Scranton.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Jul 27, 2011 10:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Captain Underpants just hit into an unclutch 6-4-3 DP with the bags full in St. Louis. Obviously, he’s just what we are looking for here in Philly.
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by WanderingMoses on Jul 27, 2011 10:44 PM EDT reply actions
Lol… Can he at least field and baserun better than Valdez?
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Jul 27, 2011 10:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey everyone, question on the Giants
Did their offseason moves weaken them for the future? Ignoring this year’s outcomes.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
Giants perspective:
Only definite ass-kicker is the Huff contract and the team reaction to it. Even if Huff turns it around, he’s still blocking Belt who really needs the time against ML pitching.
Otherwise they’re not really weakened by anything that wasn’t a lingering problem (Rowand, Zito). Losing Wheeler for Beltran could kill them, or it could be harmless. Hard to say with an A-ball pitcher.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jul 27, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
We lost Uribe and signed Tejada who is now affectionately called TeHAHA because he’s just playing bad. Then again, Tejada is playing better than Uribe, who they would have resigned if he didn’t turn down the Giants for the Dodgers. Either way, Tejada is on the DL.
Huff, who we resigned, is in his down year period. Historically speaking, he has a good year than a bad year. Last year was great, this year he’s Mr. 4-6-3 double play man.
Edgar Renteria is gone… and thank god…
We resigned Pat the Bat, and a few bullpen guys. PTB is injured and wasn’t getting that much playing time anyway.
All in all, I guess the big one is Huff taking playing time away from Brandon Belt, like the poster said above.
yes came to say that. right handed bat off the bench, doesn’t get any better
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
I hate to say it because I like PTB as much as he enjoys pussy, but he has become a shadow of his former self. At the risk of over-simplifying it, it’s really at the point now where Burrell is just a right-handed Raul Ibanez.
Writer at SB Nation's Philadelphia Union blog, The Brotherly Game. Follow me on Twitter.
Well not exactly. Fielding wise they boith lack range but PTB = PTC. Pat the Cannon not Pat the Catapult.
Gotta be better than Ibanez’s
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Jul 28, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah but…
1. hes 8 HR and 26 RBI away from 300/100 It would be pretty cool if he hit those milestones as a Philly.
2. The comedic value of the fanpost source material ALONE would certainly outweigh the negative offensive and defensive production on the field, no?
25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!
On second thought
It looks like he is not getting released after all.
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Is it weird that I hate the Phillies losing to the Giants more than I do any other team? This was true for me even befor last year’s NLCS. I find the Giants obnoxious, and although every Giants fan I’ve met or talked to is pleasant I find their general fan population very annoying
Trade me while I still have value
by Veni Vidi Vici on Jul 27, 2011 11:13 PM EDT reply actions
I feel the same way., actually. Go figure.
by Airedale260 on Jul 27, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The only good thing about the Giants is their blog. My loathing of their team increased exponentially after they acquired Ross.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
yeah it’s hard to imagine any baseball team could ever be more obnoxious than one with Ross, Wilson, Linsecum, Zito, and a grown man who calls himself “Big Panda,” then I remember that the Giants once had Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent at the same time, who are each individually more annoying than the entire current Giants roster.
Trade me while I still have value
by Veni Vidi Vici on Jul 27, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I for one, root for the Giants before any team other than the Phils. Maybe it’s because I lived in the Bay Area for a time period, but I find most of their players (not named Cody Ross or Jonathan Sanchez) likable. And yes, this includes Wilson, who I find amusing and harmless.
by FearTheTurtIe on Jul 28, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I also have no problem with Wilson. Though, I can easily see why he’s hated ’round these parts.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Jul 28, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Worst timing
The bitching will be heard around the world tomorrow if the Phils lose in similar style with Beltran contributing in some small way.
I did get flashbacks from the Caining though. Not a team I want to see in the 1st round, but it is a team I’d like the Braves to see in the 1st round
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 27, 2011 11:16 PM EDT reply actions
Just hope the NL Central stays in the toilet, then, and we keep the best record, I guess.
by Airedale260 on Jul 27, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s not too much to hope for. The Brews/Pirates/Cards/Reds will pound on eachother, and the Phils have a better chance against the Braves than the Giants.
The Giants bother me, and yes I know this series is such a small sample size, but this game reminds me exactly of what happened last year in the playoffs. Charlie looks like an idiot, the pitching is dead even, and the Giants pull a run out of their ass
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 27, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be interesting to see the Giants’ BABIP against the Phillies over their last few games. I’m guessing they’re due a huge regression.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Jul 27, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather said regression come in the playoffs, if we have to face them, rather than just tomorrow.
by Airedale260 on Jul 27, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
BABIP doesn’t even stablize at 650 PA’s. It relies on gargantuan sample sizes. I don’t see how it could yield anything of value in such a small sample. I would look at their batted ball data in those games….we’re they hitting pitcher’s pitches, or getting hits on balls out of the zone, line drive rates, etc.
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Man I hate this team !!!!
Mr. Hippy I look like a Pot Head Lincecum
“The Show and Hype is bigger than the Player” Brian Wilson
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Rowand's Triple
Somebody mentioned this in the game thread but I don’t see any mention of it here so I wonder if it seemed strange that with two outs and a catcher running that Brown didn’t make a faster beeline toward the ball. I’ve seen a lot of balls in that corner that are doubles and the throw home is shorter than to third. There was no strange angle or bounce that I saw. Brown had problems later on Schierholtz’s hit, so maybe it was just a bad game by the right fielder.
by phillyinportland on Jul 28, 2011 5:08 AM EDT reply actions
Surprised that was ruled a triple. I was at the game, and as I watched the play unfold, I thought for sure it would be a double, advancing to 3rd on the throw home.
Celebrating over 50 years of slightly more Phils wins than losses: 1961-2011
Radio announced it that way too- they were dumbfounded by the official scoring- said that if Utley threw to third instead of the plate Rowand would have been a dead duck.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
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