Why Is Placido Polanco the All-Star Starter With the Sixth Highest NL Vote Total?
by David S. Cohen on Jul 7, 2011 11:31 AM EDT
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PrintI'll start with the answer - because no one can stand Chipper Jones. That's the only real explanation. Let's get to the reasoning.
So yes, it's not news - Placido Polanco is the NL starter at third base. As a Phillies fan, I like that. As a baseball fan, it's horrifying. Without looking through the complete history of the All-Star game, Polanco has to be one of the worst starters at third-base ever.
But that's not what this column is about. This column is searching to answer why. Why did he get enough votes to be the starter on the NL team? Even more so, why did he get the sixth-highest vote total among all NL hitters? Let's look at several factors:
Philadelphia Voters - One theory is that the Phillies had thirty home games in which to vote for all-stars. With the team "selling out" every game, Philadelphia voters stuffed the ballot for Polanco. While this certainly played a role, that doesn't explain why Polanco got this treatment and other Phillies did not. Polanco is popular, but far from the most popular player on the team. He was healthier than Chase Utley, Shane Victorino, and Carlos Ruiz, and faced weaker competition at his position than Jimmy Rollins and Ryan Howard, but I think that type of analysis gives the average voter much more credit than is deserved.
Philadelphia, St. Louis, and Detroit Voters - Polanco has played for three different franchises. Although he hasn't played for the Cardinals in almost a decade, he's still liked there. Before returning to the Phillies, he was an All-Star with the Tigers, winning two gold gloves, and twice appearing in MVP voting. He certainly was helped by that type of name recognition and support in AL parks, along with his support in Philadelphia and St. Louis.
His April Start - Polanco had a great April, batting .398/.447/.524 with 19 RBI and 18 runs scored. But aside from the gaudy batting average, his numbers were hardly so singularly phenomenal among NL third basemen for the month. Casey Blake almost equaled Polanco's OBP at .446. Ryan Roberts outslugged him (.594) and out-OPS'ed him (1.007). Several had more home runs (three at 5 and 2 at 3). Chipper Jones had more RBI (21). David Wright scored as many runs. Getting into advanced stats, Ryan Roberts had a higher April wOBA (.436 to .433), though Polanco's greater number of plate appearances gave him the highest WAR for the month (1.8).
His Defense - Polanco is having a really nice defensive year at third base, though by some measures, Pablo Sandoval is having a better year. But there's no way voters vote based on defense.
His Career - Polanco has made a nice career for himself, something most every person who has played professional baseball would envy. But Chipper Jones is one of the best third baseman to ever play the game. Polanco isn't anywhere near being in the same conversation as Jones.
His Stats - For the stats that most people voting for the All-Star game care about, Polanco has no reason to be an All-Star. He's hitting .274, has 4 home runs, and 34 RBI. Each of those is easily eclipsed by other third basemen - Aramis Ramirez has 14 home runs, Roberts has 44 RBI, and Sandoval, Chase Headley, and Aaron Miles are hitting over .300. In more advanced stats, Polanco has a 1.9 WAR on the season (same as Roberts), with Headley (2.1), Ramirez (2.1), and Sandoval (2.4) ahead of him. And almost everyone who plays the position in the NL has a higher wOBA than Polanco.
On these objective factors, there's really no reason for Polanco to have gotten the votes he did. His April was strong, but so were others'. He's played in multiple places over his career, which definitely gives him an advantage, but his career is nothing compared to other NL third basemen, particularly Chipper Jones (not to mention David Wright, Scott Rolen, and Ryan Zimmerman). His defense is good, but so is others', and voters don't vote based on defense anyway. His overall performance at the plate this year has been pretty unremarkable . . . at best.
So what gives? What explains this absurd vote total for a player who is simply not worthy of being an All-Star? It all comes down to people hating Chipper Jones and liking Placido Polanco. Polanco's year this year isn't worthy of being an All-Star, but he's put up a fine-enough career.
But if career totals were what mattered, then Jones would blow away the competition. However, no one wants to vote for him. It's kinda sad, but he's gone his entire career without many people outside of Altanta feeling any love for him. This year, when his team's been playing great, he's putting up numbers that for the most part are better than Polanco's (OBP, SLG, wOBA), he's probably playing the last year of his phenomenal career, and the big name competition at his position has been injured or not performing that well, you'd think voters would give him some career credits and vote him onto the team as a starter.
That didn't happen though. Rather than voting for Jones, an all-time great and sure Hall of Famer, the voters would prefer Polanco, a nice guy who doesn't ruffle feathers but is not at all worthy of being an All-Star starter. That's how much fans across the league dislike Chipper Jones.
And that's why Polanco is a starter who got the sixth highest total of votes in the NL.
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Nice write up.
This is example number 1 of why you shouldn’t have something as important as home field in the World Series decided by the results of a game that doesn’t actually feature the best players.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
by EREX21 on Jul 7, 2011 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
St. Louie Fam
Alberto Pujols stood for Placido’s son. Respect for the godfather requires a Polanco start in the ASG.
No. Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Albert Belle and Ty Cobb. That would be the Mt. Rushmore of miserable pricks.
by Cormican on Jul 7, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno – Cobb was just on a whole other level of assholery. Those other guys were plenty bad, but to the best of my knowledge they never stabbed a black night watchman for being “uppity.” I think Cobb deserves his own 50 foot statue, built by all the assholes of the world. He’s basically their patron saint.
by ThinMountainAir on Jul 7, 2011 3:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh shit, I didn’t know that. Christ, what an asshole.
by ThinMountainAir on Jul 7, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
50 foot statue, built by all the assholes of the world
So you’re saying Cobb’s statute should be a 50 foot tall hot dog?
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I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Cobb
was also from Georgia. That sort of settles that he’s king of the assholes.
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I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
He hit well early and so appeared on the early-season “Hitting” leader board, and continued hitting over .300 as recently as June 16.
He also had 19 RBI and a .972 OPS in April, but honestly, when it came time for fans to puch out the chads while sitting at a game, and they wondered “OK, which of these guys has done well so far?”, Polanco is the one third baseman they remembered appearing on any leader boards.
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Fangraphs WAR still has Polanco as a plausible All-Star despite his recent struggles simply because there’s so few really good third basemen. Ramirez and Headley are the best 3Bs with enough playing time at 2.1 WAR, but Polanco is well within the margin of error at 1.9. (IIRC he was actually leading NL 3Bs in WAR when voting started.) Sandoval probably would have easily won the All-Star nod if he hadn’t been injured, but missing ~40 games in the middle of voting obviously put him at a disadvantage.
B-R WAR gives Headley with a much bigger lead though: 2.1 WAR compared to Ramirez & Roberts at 1.7, Daniel Descalso at 1.0, and Polanco at 0.9. no metrics have Jones as a deserving All-Star, mostly because the systems hate his defense.
of course most voters aren’t looking at WAR, so this doesn’t necessarily disprove any of your points.
I find those WAR calculations just much more believable than Fangraphs’. I know that I should trust Fangraphs, as they do excellent work, but having Polanco at 1.9 WAR is absurd. He’s not that good.
by David S. Cohen on Jul 7, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I assume the two calculations are basically the same with regard to hitting, so that would make the difference between them all about defense? I honestly have no idea which number is more accurate for PP.
just to make things more confusing, BR and FG don’t use the same offensive metrics either. BR has Polanco as a -5 hitter, while FG has him as -3.1. BR & FG even set their replacement levels differently. but the biggest difference is fielding, of course.
BR has its own weird results, though, as I noted below. Fukudome is probably the biggest outlier; BR has him at 2.6 WAR, 16th in the NL. according to Fangraphs, he’s at 0.1 WAR, 70th in the NL.
Fangraphs consistently uses UZR, which ranks Polanco very highly on their defensive metrics
Many of us over at Lookout Landing have long been skeptical of UZR, and that skepticism is becoming more and more founded.
Placido Polanco is not a 1.9 WAR player halfway through the 2011 season. He’s just not.
I don’t think it’s completely inconceivable that Polanco a 4-WAR player over a full season. he really is a good defensive 3B, and he’s not an awful hitter; no power but an above-average OBP. I do think it’s unlikely, but it’s not flatly riduculous.
as far as UZR skepticism, what’s the alternative? TZ has its own eccentricities. Kosuke Fukudome as the single best defensive player in the entire NL (+16), for example. or Carlos Lee as a plus-anything outfielder, let alone +9.
His OPS is .670; wRC+ 89
Just because he’s good relative to the rest of the 3rd basemen in the national league does not make him good.
And it certainly doesn’t make him a 4 WAR player.
Just because he’s good relative to the rest of the 3rd basemen in the national league does not make him good.
Actually yes it does. Unless you know of a way to field a team without a 3B.
'Replacement level' means a player is replaceable from a AAA affiliate or for the league minimum
Polanco has not been 2 wins above a replacement-level player up to this point. I don’t know of any Phillies fan I know (and I’m around a lot of them, as I live in Philly) that would argue Polanco is a good player relative to anyone else.
Does he fill a need? Yes.
Is he an All-Star? By default.
Does the fact that everyone hates Chipper Jones and likes Polanco’s smile make Placido Polanco a good player? Uh. No.
And as for UZR
It currently has Chone Figgins at 0.6, essentially stating he’s slightly above league average at 3B. Chone Figgins has 10 errors and has looked altogether abysmal.
Meanwhile, Ichiro’s UZR is at a cool -7.0. After ten straight years of not just good, but exemplary defense.
I can’t offer up an alternative (yet), but I can say with little doubt that UZR is broken. Is all this saying that Polanco is a bad fielder? It absolutely is not, there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.
What it is saying, though, is to take UZR’s current measurements, and the subsequent WAR ratings from Fangraphs, with a grain of salt.
I agree, of course, that UZR cannot be taken at face value. my point is that this is not a problem with UZR, it’s a problem with literally every defensive measurement system I’m aware of.
saying “UZR is broken because Player A, B, and C” just doesn’t mean much, since for one thing, the same argument can be made for TZ or BIS or +/- etc. etc. for another thing, past performance doesn’t guarantee future results. Ichiro also has ten straight years of excellent batting averages, but that doesn’t mean he can’t hit .210 for a month like he did in May. and, of course, three examples doesn’t really prove anything.
none of this means I think Ichiro is a bad defender (I don’t) or what have you. I’ve argued several times on here that any defensive statistic (because again, this is not a problem unique to UZR) should be regressed before drawing any serious conclusions. unfortunately there’s no real easy way to do that quickly, so we use WAR because it’s an easy shorthand.
by perfectdepth on Jul 7, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In all seriousness, Polanco’s selection wasn’t so bad, just because 3B is weak in the NL these days. He’s 4th in the league in WAR, only 0.5 off the lead. Pablo Sandoval would have walked away with it, but apparently he missed 40 games on the DL (I had no idea).
and let's not forget
Jeter as the AL starter at short is way way worse. Fangraphs has all of 8 (!) shortstops in the AL beating out Cap’n Jetes’ measly 0.5 WAR.
That sell out thing still bothers you that much?
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@boknows71
YES. If they said “we sell lots of tickets every night,” I wouldn’t care one bit. But the word “sell out” means something very clear and specific – there are no more tickets left because all of the tickets have sold out. If that’s not the way they’re using the word, then use a different friggin’ word. The English language has lots of them.
by David S. Cohen on Jul 7, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m as much of a stickler as anyone, but the thing is no one uses it correctly, and every team plays that game for maximum marketing effect. So, perversely, NOT fudging the numbers would make the Phillies the one team that’s counting their attendance differently from everyone else.
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But not to rehash the other thread too much, if you know the team “sells out” every night, aren’t you less likely to head down to the stadium to try to get a ticket since you think there are none available? Even though, based on what we really know, you could head down and get a ticket pretty easily since there always seem to be more tickets.
But I’ll stop now since this post here is supposed to be about how much everyone in America hates Chipper Jones, which is something we can all agree on.
by David S. Cohen on Jul 7, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Sarcasm font not available on TGP?
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
@boknows71
Are you cranky because the guy carrying his food back to his seats got more attention for his one handed grab than your catch did?
I don’t want you typing harder than you already are.
In my world, baseball players are athletes and not stats and numbers.
He wasn’t trying to troll, and isn’t a troll in any case (and I say this having accused him of that most vicious crime). We’ve got bigger things to worry about, like if star18 ever figures out how to get around his ban.
by ThinMountainAir on Jul 7, 2011 3:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow, there’s a dreaded name from the past.
by phillyinportland on Jul 7, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That thread was one of the funniest experiences I never want to have again.
by ThinMountainAir on Jul 7, 2011 3:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh my…That was better than anything ChopMaster could possibly attempt to troll!
Thanks for the laughter!
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 8, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I must have missed that at the time. Pretty funny stuff. Also funny: his three contributions here.
By the way, check it out:
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2011/7/2/2256398/yankees-5-mets-2-no-fun#71096417
more of a perfect storm
The thread is well done, hitting upon the major reasons, but the conclusion about it is hating Chipper is given too much weight. The AL name recognition and being known and liked in the AL is huge. That plus the hot April – when voting started people still though this was Polly’s year, he was hitting over .300. It seemed like a no-brainer then, who would have thought Polly would go on slumping and slumping. And yes, people like him, that does get him votes, but even that is not just for somehow not ruffling feathers, it has a lot to do with how he plays the game – his effort, hard work and consistency, his RISP avg that got him the reputation as a clutch hitter. Then absolutely, the field is weak, and none of the players have a clearly outstanding year, while again, it appeared early on the Polly was having the outstanding year. So all those things are mentioned in the thread, and I think those are the big reasons. Head to head why Polly got it over Chipper this year was because of his hot April and Chipper’s injuries the last years.
But there’s no way Chipper Jones doesn’t have AL name recognition at this point in his career. It’s just that no one in that league likes him, just like no one here likes him. I agree though that having the high batting average in April helped, no doubt.
by David S. Cohen on Jul 7, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a good point, I would think Chipper has the AL recognition, but then I wouldn’t be totally surprised if a lot of younger fans doing the voting are not as familiar with him or think of him as more a declining player. I definitely think a lot of players just look for who is having the most outstanding year and it just looked like Polly for long enough, and no one expected a month at .393 to be followed up by two below the Mendoza.
And you know I just checked, Chipper is hitting .256 right now with only 8 HR. That’s why no one picked him. No without a doubt, the blog hit the points, but came to the wrong conclusions. The #1 thing by far is the first thing people look for is someone having an outstanding year, and definitely there are points for top players having good years, and even some for future HOFers. I guess there are beloved future HOFers who get voted in . It can count for a lot (being liked) but still far and away the #1 thing for Polly was that he looked like he was having an outstanding season long enough to get the votes. Well into May, people could look at the league leaders and see him hitting .350.
Tangential, but when Polanco was with the Phils in 2003, he set his career highs in both walks (42) and BB% (7.6%). He’s on pace to surpass both this year, with 53 BBs and 8.1 BB%.
(Of course he’s also on pace to beat his career high of 47 Ks.)
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I find Tom McCarthy cloying and Gary Matthews wildly inarticulate
So I end up watching a lot of away broadcasts on MLB.tv. Polanco is consistenly slob-knobbed by announcers around the league for a number of reasons: his grit, that he chokes up, doesnt strike out, plays stellar defense at multiple positions, ect. These are the kind of things that old-timey baseball lifers (read announcers) love. Most baseball fans are knowlegable about their own players but pretty much get all their info about the rest of the league from their home team play by play and color guys. Those guys love Polanco and let it be known.
At least they’re not doing it to a white guy. That’s progress.
by taco pal on Jul 7, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just realized he’s leading the NL Sac Flies, with 6.
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Getting back to Chipper, all Phillies fans everywhere need to pull for him to do OK this year and have lots of fun playing the game. His retirement would be the best thing that could happen to the Braves this offseason, as it would free up $15 million that they’re currently allocating to a brokedown geezer. It would be great for us if he decides he wants to come back for one more go-around.
NL shortstop?
so who plays SS for the NL in the all-star game?
"A flute without holes, is not a flute. A donut without a hole, is a Danish."
HA!…but seriously, Starlin Castro will probably start, but with Tulo and Reyes hurt, I think J-Roll might be next in line…I don’t really consider Jamey Carroll or Ryan Theriot a viable option.
"A flute without holes, is not a flute. A donut without a hole, is a Danish."
Omar Infante.
It's just a game. Why you have to be so mad?
by LeepinLizardz on Jul 7, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I find something hypnotic in looking at Polanco’s head. Whether or not he uses this to manipulate all-star voters, who’s to say…
That should say proportionally correct. I have no idea if it will include the ahem, little peanuthead.
by Cormican on Jul 7, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
One of the most interesting numbers to me in the voting
was Ben Francisco’s 1,124,361. I consider this the “vote for anyone as long as it’s a Phillie” number, and the baseline vote for any Phillie on the ballot. This raises a couple of questions:
1) what is the analogous minimum baseline for other teams?
e.g. Mets: 1,114,574 (Jason Bay and his .683 OPS)
Giants: 1,265,544 (Miguel Tejada with .591 OPS and -0.2 WAR)
and so on
2) how many “discretionary” votes did Phillies get beyond this minimum baseline?
- Polanco 3,287,000
- Utley 2,222,000
- Howard 1,440,000
- Victorino 1,246,000
- Rollins 1,188,000
- Ruiz, 740,000
- Ibanez 517,000
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Just as an aside, I like how your Met example of the baseline has a higher OPS than Polanco.
by David S. Cohen on Jul 7, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Fransisco really got that many?? But this is a good point you make. But I’m still surprised. First of all if you are that anyone if they are a Phillie how can you not check Ruiz? Or even Ibanez? (Not like Ben was hitting that much higher.) The baseline number really makes sense though – and there you have Howard getting a few hundred thousand votes, but clearly in a much more competitive position. Polanco truly had the weakest of competition by far. Chipper I saw actually did make the team as a reserve – and he’s hitting .256. Polanco was still hitting .319 on June 1. Everyone saw his name at the top of the league in hitting the first two months. You take that and basically no one else having much of a year and it was a run-away.
PLus there’s a swarm effect. Once a guy gets a lead, it seems as though he rarely loses it. So once Polly started out ahead, people just fell in line and started voting for him.
I believe his lead increased almost every week.
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Not sure if I understand your point about Ruiz and Ibanez. For example Ruiz got 1.864 million votes, or 740,000 in excess of the “Francisco baseline”.
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by WholeCamels on Jul 7, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you for clarifying – I misunderstood I thought you were giving totals, not # above baseline.
BTW, after looking up Aramis Ramirez #s, he’s the one who got hosed, not Chipper. But to me once again that shows it was how they were doing early on which influenced the voting. On June 1 Ramirez only had 2 HR and batting around .290, while Polly was probably similar HR batting around .320. It’s not hard to see why many people would look at the numbers and vote for Polly. Even when he slid further, to under .300, people probably didn’t think it would go on and on. Meanwhile Ramirez hit 8HR in June and now has 14.
Actually, this verifies the other comments above, including the perspective on out-of-town announcers. Everyone likes Polly. Not everyone likes Vic (Jerry Manuel, would you like to weigh in here?), and he is the negative example.
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As far as the discretionary votes go, perhaps the casual online voter who’s filling out his/her 25 votes and isn’t a fan of some other NL third baseman would look at the overall position player choices while also seeing that the Phillies have the best record in baseball. If there’s no other Phillies position player checked on their ballot, and third base is wide open with Polanco doing fairly well, it could have been a simple case of wanting to put someone in from the Phillies and Polanco fit the bill better than anyone else due to the circumstances.
by phillyinportland on Jul 7, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Need some help!
I’m going to all the games this weekend, so I am putting the next Hamels meter together tonight…..Atlanta isn’t really known for much, so in honor of the opponent I narrowed down my category options to as follows:
1. general southern stereotypes based on a scale of dirty-dirty
2. success or failure of US officers that fought the Indian Wars
3. amusing made up Native American names
I’m leaning toward 2 or 3, but I can’t quite decide, so I was hoping to get some feedback….thanks
"A flute without holes, is not a flute. A donut without a hole, is a Danish."
I vote for mid eighties NWA/WCW classic Crockett promotion era professional wrestlers. It really says everything you need to say about Atlanta
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I just went through a list…wow, I’d forgotten so many of these names…Sid Vicious, Ricky “the Dragon” Steamboat, Arn & Ole Anderson…I’ll have to push it back to provide time to adequately refresh my memory
"A flute without holes, is not a flute. A donut without a hole, is a Danish."
Assassin cole
Is a limousin ridin, jet flying, high stylin, wheelin, dealing, chick stealin son of a gun! whoooo!!
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Don't forget
Magnum TA, wahoo McDaniel, dusty Rhodes, Barry windham, and obviously the four horsemen as straight up assassin.
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It would be truly awesome (for history nerds like me, anyway) if you did the Hamels meter with the “Straight up Anton Chigurh” bit as a picture of Sherman scowling and the caption as “Atlanta is ours, and fairly won.”
by ThinMountainAir on Jul 7, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of cold-blooded assasinations, Flannery O’Connor was from Georgia.
by Wet Luzinski on Jul 7, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
When I voted, (early) polanco was actually the clear choice at 3b. He broke out to a big early lead and kind of never looked back. I read somewhere that 60 percent of the total votes come in during the first three weeks soaybe that had something to do with it.
Also, Larry is a huge prickface.
That’s all.
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Why no one here likes Chipper? He’s not a prick just a very good ballplayer
Steak, Shrimp, Liquor, and Pasta
I beg to differ. He’s a prick and a very good ballplayer.
by David S. Cohen on Jul 7, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t speak for everyone here, but I hate him for the following reasons:
1. He has killed the Phillies for about half of my lifetime.
2. Familiarity breeds contempt.
He’s very good, and belongs in the Hall of Fame; if I could, I would vote for him. But I still hate him.
by ThinMountainAir on Jul 7, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
No, that’s not the reason at all. I like Carlos Beltran. I liked Greg Maddux. I liked Dwight Gooden back in the day. Everyone can think of examples like that. People think Chipper is a prick because he has a terrible personality and is objectively kind of a bad person. Of course, many MLB players have bad personalities, including many guys who have played on the Phillies. But Chipper is a prick even if you grade on a curve.
Honestly it’s a shame that I’ve got to go out and hit .400 for two months to make an All-Star team. It’s kind of depressing to me because I’ve had — to me — what I think are some pretty good first halves, what I think is a pretty good career, and I haven’t made an All-Star team since ‘01. … But I’ll take it. Got to make a splash to get people’s attention? Got to make a splash.
He’s like a real-life Kenny Powers, except not funny.
Don’t ask why…just see it as a sign of respect. He is the only carry over from the Braves teams that won the division every year, so just as you detest some Phillies for no good reason, we detest Larry Wayne…..or, maybe it’s because he has more illegitimate children than home runs this year…one or the other.
"A flute without holes, is not a flute. A donut without a hole, is a Danish."
With a Hooters waitress…just seems so…IDK…low rent.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
That was sarcasm, BTW, before any Braves fans show up and flip out.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
You mean it isn’t classy to have unprotected extra-marital sex with Hooters waitresses? Uh-oh…
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by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Take out “extra-marital”.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
He was definitely married.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 7, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
But think if he wasn’t…
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
I’m with you
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 7, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/1998/10/22/jones_paternity/
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll admit I'm biased
And this goes back about 25 years, BUT….
1. In Hugh school he was the best player in the state of Florida and he made sure EVERYONE knew that
2. He referred to himself in the third person as “the chipper”
3. He had a penchant for trying to hit on opposing players girlfriends by saying"is your scrub man gonna get drafted number one?" “trust me, I KNOW how to hit it” and my favorite "don’t you wanna be able to tell your kids someday that you slept with a hall of famer?
Should I go on?
25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!
by Joecatz on Jul 7, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
High school
Not Hugh school, although Larry would likely not notice the misspelling. Since, you know, he can’t spell.
25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!
Daddy?
"A flute without holes, is not a flute. A donut without a hole, is a Danish."
by DirtyWaters on Jul 7, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
And the best possible picture.
I might take a whole day off work for a Senators day game to go to Harrisburg to heckle him. I look forward to a career of hatred.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Bryce Harper bears an eerie resemblance to John Rocker.
The Good Phight, Big Black Kids, and now NotGraphs. Fun!
let’s hope in looks only, for his sake
"A flute without holes, is not a flute. A donut without a hole, is a Danish."
No. I kind of hope he’s that much of a disaster. He’s showing potential, certainly.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It is my belief....
that most of us are not at our best as sixteen-year-olds. I feel certain that Chipper is a much different person now.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Better...
as well.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
How do you know he isn’t polishing an Applebee’s waitress now? I mean, like right now?
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 8, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Doubt it
I’ve known a hundred guys like Larry, who were top notch athletes in High School and College, some of them went on to win college World series titles, play in the nigs and have moderate careers, some of them turned out to be, you know, Chipper Jones, future Hall of Famer, and some of them never got past rookie ball, never graduated college and spent the next 20 years bitter, depressed, or actually made the best of it and have succesfull careers and families.
One thing rings true about ALL OF THEM.
20 years later they are still cocky, arrogant pricks.
They either use it to their advantage, and make it work for them by saying the right things at the right time, and learnign how to get through life, or they use it as a crutch to be an asshole.
But deep down inside, when it comes to women, or people who work for them, or anything out of the public eye, trust me, when it comes to someone who was an elite athlete AND a prick. Once a prick, always a prick.
25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!
The exception to that rule
Believe it or not, is A-Rod. like him or hate him, when he was a 14year old PHENOM, playing Varsity baseball as a 7th grader opn the top ranked team in the country, getting write ups in Sports Illustrated, and people were calling him the second coming of Babe Ruth in national [publications, it never went to his head. Ever. Honest to god, Alex Rodriguez was the most genuinely nice, upstanding, god fearing, mom loving, use my powers for good, kind of dude you ever could have met.
25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!
Yeah most future HOFers suck at the game
Not here to start trouble just want to know why you all think he’s a prick?
Steak, Shrimp, Liquor, and Pasta
He’s an average 3B now a days who had Wright and Zimmerman and Sandoval been healthy obviously wouldn’t be an All-Star
But it would be neat if he were an All-Star his final year
Steak, Shrimp, Liquor, and Pasta
Speaking only for myself, my family and I have been heckling “Larry” since he first came up with the Braves. Having had to listen to Braves fans I know take it so personally over the years only added to my distaste for him, frankly. Even as recently as 2008, I was sitting near 3B, down pretty close, and our section was heckling him mercilessly. A Braves fan in our row then proceeded to take things WAAAY too seriously and shoot daggers at my family and 2-year old son throughout the entire game. Come on, old lady: lighten up. When I was in ATL and the Braves fans got on Victorino, I laughed along. (As an aside, they aren’t good at the heckling thing—I was trying to teach them some good ones. Lessons are free.)
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I’m quite good at heckling.
What is it you tried to teach the folks at The Ted?
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
How to read; how to bathe; how to troll. You know, the usual.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you threw in “How to throw up on children” for free.
;-)
(I kid I kid)
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
only if you teach us how to skin and cook squirrel.
"A flute without holes, is not a flute. A donut without a hole, is a Danish."
it's easy
first step hit it with car
second step take a knife and cut off the furry part
third step, dont cook just eat raw
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Puking on kids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-i8DqXasGY
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Brilliant
Or Atlanta doesn’t have the national media exposure of teams like NYY, BOS, and PHI (who all have twice the payroll as well). But otherwise your stupid theory makes sense. Wait, no it doesn’t.
Morgan: Do you think I could come into the clubhouse after the game and display my ass for both those veterans and the younger guys?
Baker: Well, Joe, you are on the payroll of the team, and you're a legend, so I suppose — holy shit!
[Joe has appeared next to Dusty, in the dugout, completely naked]
Morgan: Hey.
by TradeAndruw on Jul 7, 2011 8:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If Braves fans bothered to go to games maybe the corporation with billions of dollars of market capitalization that owns the team would spend more on payroll.
I love the “View From Your Seat” feature at TC that shows how many empty seats there are for every game. Hell, there were playoff seats available last year at Turner Field.
Quit whining about payrolls if you aren’t willing to get off your couch and go to games. I know your porch is comfortable, but paychecks for Chipper to spend on child support for his illegitimate Hooters child have to come from somewhere, amiright?
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
actually i doubt that
I don’t think Liberty Media cares how much comes in, they aren’t willing to spend on a team they only care about as a tax rideoff, that being said the reason Turner Field doesn’t fill up every night isn’t from a lack of passion, it is partly the tbs effect, the Majority of Braves fans don’t even live in ATL thus can only make it to a few games per year. That being said it also is just a hellhole to get to, bad parking and full on one way streets and wrong signs, traffic is horrible and most Suburbia types won’t walk as a means of transportation because of the surrounding Ghettos
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
most Suburbia types won’t walk as a means of transportation because of the surrounding Ghettos
I forgot about this. I’m sure you’re right . And it is much more authentic and meaningful to hear from a Braves fan that other Braves fans are so fearful that they stay away from the ballpark because it is surrounded by “Ghettos” that might have, you know, non-Suburbia types living in them.
If I had posted that, I’d just be perpetuating a stereotype. Only Nixon could go to China, you know.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i stated truth
most suburbia people are terrified of urban areas, I am from Detroit and i cannot tell you how many times i have seen some white woman scared out of her mind for no reason
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
What do white women have to do with suburbia?
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He/She is correct though. There is a very well-written post about why attendance is so low. There aren’t any bars near The Ted, no safe and reliable public transportation, traffic is a nightmare going to and from the game, and the surrounding areas are sketchy at best.
Bad neighborhoods are bad neighborhoods.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
because it is surrounded by "Ghettos"
Beyond racist, this is actually inaccurate, probably spewed by one of the idiots in Gwinnett County. If so, you at least now have a AAA team to go to (which should serve your tastes).
I worked for 5 years within walking distance of the stadium. You have obviously not been in that area since 1993 (which is odd, since that’s 3 years before the stadium was built). . But that’s because you can’t afford some of the housing available near there.
In preparation for NHL free agency, thinking of changing my screen name to Bhudde in 10OC.
The terrible traffic and lack of public transportation relate directly to why Atlanta such a crappy city, even setting aside the whole baseball thing. In a real city, people walk around, experience the atmosphere, mingle with folks from different walks of life – even the poor, in fact even the homeless. Street food vendors, shops, foot traffic, cultural outlets, buses and trains, non-chain restaurants – these are all crucial elements of a living city. Atlanta is really weak on all of that. Like a lot of Sun Belt cities, the city isn’t much more than a business district and a donut hole in an area filled with a bunch of people who live in McMansions and drive themselves to Appleby’s to eat out. Even the supposedly nice areas where young people hang out kind of suck – you can’t navigate any of them without a car. It’s soulless.
The only redeeming quality that Atlanta has as a city is that it’s become kind of a cultural mecca for upwardly mobile African Americans. Outside of that, while it may be growing and have lots of purely practical amenities, it’s got nothing.
As somebody who's lived in Atlanta
For most of my 21 years, I can’t really even disagree with this. It definitely lacks that cultural influence and “soul” cities like New York, Philly and Chicago have. Certainly directly related to why Turner Field doesn’t sell out more often.
"Is Prince Fielder a legitimate threat to your stash of potato chips?" -Bronn
I’ve lived on the south side of Atlanta my entire life (more than 20 yet less than 30 yrs).
Some of what you say I can co-sign to. But Atlanta has a lot going for it. The city just needs to improve the public transportation problem. That’s a political issue here.
While in school a girl from NY complained that we don’t have a body of water near the city. The other cities you (or the post above mine) mentioned have that if I recall correctly). Maybe THAT’s the problem?
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
lots of Braves fans chiming in
"A flute without holes, is not a flute. A donut without a hole, is a Danish."
No doubt. I’m simply amazed by the fact that as bad as the Phillies have played this year, the Braves have been even worse.
by Wet Luzinski on Jul 7, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i see what you are trying to do there
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
It’s clever.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 7, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You left out that
“Chipper” is actually an anagram of “syphilis”
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I’m honestly getting tired of Phillies fans being regionalist and assuming that all that live in the Southeastern part of the United States are “uneducated redneck fools that don’t know a damn thing about anything, especially hygiene.” It’s very pathetic to resort to unneccessary, regionalist, (and fake) comments about people in the South.
The fact is that the Phillies and their fans cannot continue to believe that they are gonna run away with the division this year, and that the Braves have been knocking on their door ever since the Braves climbed into second place. Two and a half games separate the two teams, and this big series in Philadelphia is going to, looking at how long the Braves have been on the Phillies’ trail, really have an influence on what the division will look like for a long time.
What honestly hasn’t gone the Braves’ way is the schedule of the matchups of these two teams. The Phillies were at Turner Field in early May for a 3-game series. Then the Braves went to Philadelphia for a 3-game series involving Mothers’ Day, (in which the Braves took 2 out of 3), then we’ll be going to Philadelphia again tommorow for a 3-game series. Then, later on in the season, we go to Philadelphia again for another 3-game series. Then, the last 3 games in the season in September are at Turner Field between the Braves and the Phillies. Not much of an advantage for the Braves, but if they play like the last series the Braves and the Phillies will be neck and neck at the All-Star Break.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
So, you only come over here when the Braves are within 3 games of the division lead?
by philsandthrills on Jul 7, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I’m busy reading and enjoying a much better blog over at Talking Chop. In our game recap of our sweep over Colorado, a member of our blog notified us of this post, and I read it.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
Dont start shit
there was a specific post telling you to not start shit.
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Then why comment here? I just don’t understand it.
by philsandthrills on Jul 7, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Really
don’t read into it.
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
You’re right!…Instead, we should start stereotyping them all as having extremely thin skin. Cool your jets chief…most of us here are pretty objective and realize that the Braves are a damn good team. However, our confidence probably stems from the repeated second half success that the Phils have enjoyed. They usually have somewhat struggled up to this point and then turned it on after the All-Star break…see 48-46 and 7 games back of your beloved Braves last season only to finish with the best record in baseball and sweep the Braves in the only truly pivotal series at the END of the season.
"A flute without holes, is not a flute. A donut without a hole, is a Danish."
relax he is 14 years old
and you are talking about a series last year where chipper was out, as well as our best hitter.
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
No one except your beloved Phillies cares about that series, let alone last year. It’s this year, and both teams are very different.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
Would you like some candy little boy?
"A flute without holes, is not a flute. A donut without a hole, is a Danish."
You know you’re making fun of a man who did the job of 4 or 5 security guards all in one second at Citizens Bank Park? I’d be careful if I were you.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
seriously dude
just leave, please.. Staying here arguing is making us all look bad.
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Ok, but I wasn’t the first Braves fan to comment on here.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
I know
but you were the first one to stay and get emotional and start pointing fingers..
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Is this some elaborate father/son trolling exercise?
"A flute without holes, is not a flute. A donut without a hole, is a Danish."
Nope
just a fan who hasn’t learned to conceal opinions on another teams blog and a fan who is just gonna keep opinions to himself and look forward to the series
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
DW – seems like the same person arguing with himself to me.
by David S. Cohen on Jul 7, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
no worries, won’t paint you all with that brush
"A flute without holes, is not a flute. A donut without a hole, is a Danish."
Yes we will. But only after we set the brush on fire.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
hehe
maybe they should’ve kept the tasers…
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
The “sense of humor” is widely accepted by biologists, anthropologists, and sociologists alike to have originated in the major cities of the Northeastern part of the United States around the time of the Industrial Revolution as an adaptation to a new set of social relations. Now working in low-paying, alienating factory jobs, the emergent proletariat found itself thrust into conditions of squalor. With few other comforts at their disposal, people began to resort to “making jokes” to make light of the dismal circumstances they now found themselves in.
In recent decades, the “sense of humor” has spread west and south as population diffusion has taken place. In some regions, however, like the Deep South for example, the “sense of humor” has yet to fully take hold—or, indeed, take hold at all.
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by FuquaManuel on Jul 7, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
That's not humor though
Stereotypes are a weak attempt at humor
PS: I’m from Illinois so I’m not saying it because I’m a Southerner
Steak, Shrimp, Liquor, and Pasta
I’m honestly getting tired of Phillies fans being regionalist and assuming that all that live in the Southeastern part of the United States are "uneducated redneck fools that don’t know a damn thing about anything, especially hygiene." It’s very pathetic to resort to unneccessary, regionalist, (and fake) comments about people in the South.
Good Lord. Can you people not take a joke? Instead of whining about how we lack CLASS, you’d be better off calling us drunken wifebeaters, or something.
o wait
by ThinMountainAir on Jul 7, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Like i said earlier
he is 14 and opinionated. I wouldn’t read into it
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
It’s bad enough you act up on OUR site. Why do you give us a bad rep here?
Maybe ChopMaster is a TGP regular on the down-low?!
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
Please. As if any of us has the time to create an account on TC nearly a year ago and be a regular TC contributor just to be a turncoat at the last with a fabulous “going away” troll…. I mean, who would ever do something like that? Who would be crazy enough, or dedicated enough, or have enough spare time to pull off something like that?
Nobody, sir. Nobody. Quit being so paranoid.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
idk
i secretly think chopmaster is the biggest troll in the world and isn’t really 14
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Sarcasm font not accepted at TGP?
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
I just didn’t want you to out me as ChopMaster.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
OHHHHHHHHHH ;p
You’re secret is safe with me.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
After I was banned at TC for my Bobby Cox joke, I had to do something.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m a poor white redneck. Ma’s meth lab hain’t made enough money yet. Still PS2.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus
Unemployment is around 10%. Lots of people with free time on their hands.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
That explains internet porn, I guess.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I urge other Braves and Phillies fans alike
To flag this troll
"Is Prince Fielder a legitimate threat to your stash of potato chips?" -Bronn
It all comes down to people hating Chipper Jones and liking Placido Polanco.
How? You don’t back up this sentence with any true, factual source or explanation that agrees with that sentence.
This year, when his team’s been playing great, he’s putting up numbers that for the most part are better than Polanco’s (OBP, SLG, wOBA), he’s probably playing the last year of his phenomenal career, and the big name competition at his position has been injured or not performing that well, you’d think voters would give him some career credits and vote him onto the team as a starter.
I thank you David, for acknowleding the fact that Chipper has played better than Polanco and that he’s had a phenominal career. That already separates you from most Phillies’ fans, who would not dare give a compliment to Braves players who are good (cue John Kruk).
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
you are getting to emotional
i recommend you just get off this blog and not worry about it
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
The best part about this discussion is Joe Mauer in the squat in the sidebar, looking at us, sternly, as if to say “Son, I am disappoint.”
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Jul 7, 2011 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
No, the best part about this discussion is that you guys bitch and complain when Braves fans come over here and post, and yet, you all fawn over these types of stupid, baseless write-ups.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 7, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Now we just need Mr. Sanchez to come in here and debate you
it will all be complete
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
I’m surprised that I haven’t “seen” him all day.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 7, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
he must be somewhere getting dirty
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Really putting it on…
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
I presume you are not a fan of the Phillies. Then I must insist that you leave.
Let me be emphatic. You need to get your ass back over to Talking Chop, where it belongs.
by ThinMountainAir on Jul 7, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
True fact: No Braves fan has ever laughed at a joke made about one of their players by an opposing fan.
The Good Phight, Big Black Kids, and now NotGraphs. Fun!
by FuquaManuel on Jul 7, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
false
I truly think it is hilarious that Freeman looks like the older bully brother on home alone
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
I think he looks like the fat kid from The Goonies.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 7, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Sling Blade
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I can appreciate good humor. Trust me, when Werth was sleeping with Utley’s wife, I thought it was hilarious. However, if Whole Camels and the other mods around these parts are going to come over to TC and complain that there are Braves fans trolling their website, perhaps they shouldn’t encourage the posting of content that will only encourage Braves fans to come to their blog?
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 7, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, what? When did any of the mods go over to TC?
by philsandthrills on Jul 7, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Idk
but Gondee pointed it out, and actually forbid people from going to TGP because of it
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
I’m pretty sure that was a rule that mvh or whatever came up with himself.
by philsandthrills on Jul 7, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
From my understanding, it was based on some WC complaining.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 7, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Quite frequently, actually
http://www.talkingchop.com/2011/3/2/2025161/phillies-brown-filling-in-nicely-for-werth#60494420
http://www.talkingchop.com/2011/1/26/1957837/braves-have-third-best-minor-league-system#57836852
And I can’t find it right now, but the whole thread warning us not to come over here or be banned had a few posts from him whining about us posting over here.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 7, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No no no, please point out where WC or any of the TGP Blog Lords ever complained directly to your moderators about TC trolls.
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I’m pretty sure most of it was via private message. That’s the word I got anyway.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 7, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. You were lied to or you are making shit up.
Mvhhsaball’s decree was entirely unprovoked and, frankly, the timing of it struck many of us as very odd.
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Found it
http://www.talkingchop.com/2011/3/23/2068654/in-regards-to-thegoodphight-com
Sadly, all of the comments were deleted and the thread locked.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 7, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
We had NOTHING to do with that. Serious. Your boy Coleman did that on his own.
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That kinda makes sense too. He takes his modship way too seriously.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 7, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry for the misinformation!
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 7, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries. It was a very weird situation all around.
For the record, gondeee is good peoples and I enjoy royhobbs’ stuff, too.
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I enjoy most, if not all of our guys.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 7, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh, no. See, if someone here says something which you perceive to be inflammatory about the Braves, there is no reason for you to comment on it. None. See, the internet is kind of like a bar, in that arguments which take place there don’t fucking matter. Larry Jones doesn’t need you to defend his honor.
by ThinMountainAir on Jul 7, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Now, let me ask you – am I defending Chipper’s honor or are you jumping to conclusions here?
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 7, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You missed my point, which was that there’s really no need to take yourself so seriously when arguing with a bunch of disembodied voices on the Internet about some baseball teams. Relax, man.
by ThinMountainAir on Jul 7, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
But I’m not even arguing here. I’m just pointing out the fact that it’s a bit lame to complain when Braves fans come over here to argue, when the posts kinda encourage it.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 7, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Why don’t you just ignore said posts? Seems like an easy solution to me. Do you think I get all bent out of shape when someone starts hating on the Phillies on some other blog? No, I do not, because haters gonna hate.
by ThinMountainAir on Jul 7, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Because I read that ChopMaster was over here, and I just had to see for myself.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 7, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
you don’t know justin
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
No title...
will not help you defend Larry’s honor.
"A flute without holes, is not a flute. A donut without a hole, is a Danish."
By whom?
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 7, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
This whole turn of events has MADE MY FUCKING WEEK.
We might have to release the Kraken, FM.
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I guard the bee. We is disciplined, son.
by Wet Luzinski on Jul 7, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Those jokes are extremely unorignal and not funny…When you can come up with new, fresh stuff then it is humorous
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They are funny to us, who, hey, happen to be the target audience.
I don’t find Larry the Cable Guy funny. You might. But I don’t go to Larry the Cable Guy’s website and whine and complain about how unoriginal and unfunny he is. I ignore him.
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Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Again stereotypical
Cause I’m a Braves fan you think I’m a redneck(false I live in Illinois). Secondly you think I’m a redneck therefore I like Larry the Cable Guy. That just makes you plain ignorant
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I’m a redneck. I can kill rattlesnakes with shovels. Fo realz, yo.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Just remember, nothin’ cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
by ThinMountainAir on Jul 7, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Please just keep proving my point for me. Love you.
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No one listen to ChopMaster
He endlessly makes a fool of himself on TC as well
Steak, Shrimp, Liquor, and Pasta
Wow, without your help I never could’ve understood the 10 other comments saying this.
by philsandthrills on Jul 7, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You spend twice as much money as the Braves, and lead by 2.5 games. And Atlanta trounces you farm system. But, by all means, celebrate like you’re awesome. Outbidding other teams and all.
Morgan: Do you think I could come into the clubhouse after the game and display my ass for both those veterans and the younger guys?
Baker: Well, Joe, you are on the payroll of the team, and you're a legend, so I suppose — holy shit!
[Joe has appeared next to Dusty, in the dugout, completely naked]
Morgan: Hey.
I think I remember you from last year. Unless other people from TC have that avatar.
by philsandthrills on Jul 7, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JfMCBh1sJQ
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
skip on up to 2:25 or so on that video
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Why thank you, we will celebrate like we’re awesome. ’Cause we are. Carry on.
by ThinMountainAir on Jul 7, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
So are we. Imagine if we had 100 million to sign FAs. Would probably be worth more than 2.5 WAR. Much more.
Morgan: Do you think I could come into the clubhouse after the game and display my ass for both those veterans and the younger guys?
Baker: Well, Joe, you are on the payroll of the team, and you're a legend, so I suppose — holy shit!
[Joe has appeared next to Dusty, in the dugout, completely naked]
Morgan: Hey.
Apologies.Take pride in being marginally better while spending twice as much.
Morgan: Do you think I could come into the clubhouse after the game and display my ass for both those veterans and the younger guys?
Baker: Well, Joe, you are on the payroll of the team, and you're a legend, so I suppose — holy shit!
[Joe has appeared next to Dusty, in the dugout, completely naked]
Morgan: Hey.
By any means necessary
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pride only hurts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O5BfnhmT2A
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
But your team doesn’t.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_4bLNM0axE
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 7, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s true. We enjoy our inner Drunk Mummer and cab-dancing.
by Wet Luzinski on Jul 7, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I do not spend any money on the team, so it’s more than a little bit unfair for you to get all indignant at me for that.
And as far as “celebrating like you’re awesome” goes, you make a good point. Henceforth I will celebrate like I am a fan of a team that has a $170 million payroll and has a 2.5 game division lead. But I need your input on how exactly a fan of a team with a $170 million payroll and a 2.5 game lead should celebrate. Or should he not celebrate at all and should all of said team’s accomplishments be invalidated because they spend more money to win?
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Just know that you’ll never reach the level of spiritual fulfillment enjoyed by a fan who roots for a worse team with a lower payroll. Oh, to suffer in quiet dignity. It purifies the soul.
by taco pal on Jul 8, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
moron(s)
Morgan: Do you think I could come into the clubhouse after the game and display my ass for both those veterans and the younger guys?
Baker: Well, Joe, you are on the payroll of the team, and you're a legend, so I suppose — holy shit!
[Joe has appeared next to Dusty, in the dugout, completely naked]
Morgan: Hey.
What’s really funny is that an Atlanta team should have just as much capacity to spend as a Philadelphia team does, if not more. The Atlanta media market is maybe 15-20% smaller than Philadelphia’s, but unlike the Phillies, the Braves’ reach extends much further outside its media market since there are no other MLB teams for hundreds of miles in every direction. Atlanta has a new ballpark with club seats and so forth just like Philadelphia does. It isn’t a Yankees-type situation, where a team has certain built-in advantages in market size and historical cachet that other teams can’t match. In fact, until the last few years, the Braves generally had higher payrolls than the Phillies did. The only reason why they don’t now is that (1) their ownership is worse than the Phillies’ ownership, and (2) their fans are less devoted than Phillies fans are. That sucks for Atlantans, but it’s no one’s fault but your own.
It’s more that the fanbase is more of a national fanbase. The Braves usually have a lot of fans for their road games — more than the average — mostly due to TBS. Also, lots of fans are from the neighboring south eastern states. It’s like being a Philly fan that lives in Rhode Island. Not very likely to attend many — if any — games in a season. The fans should go to the games though, but the area is dominated by College football.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
Right, but it doesn’t need to be that way. That is to say, the Braves are quite lucky to have such wide geographical coverage. But the Atlanta metro area alone is more than large enough to pack Turner Field, and yet it doesn’t. Having a national fanbase is not the Braves’ problem. It’s having a low density of fans throughout that national fanbase that’s the problem.
It’s a problem that is going to remain, most likely. Atlanta is a transplant city. Lots of people get moved there for work in a number of different capacities — Atlanta airport is the busiest in the world. Road teams usually have a number of fans in Atlanta because of this.
The stadium is also much too big. They built about 10,000 too many seats. There are only three MLB stadiums that seat more people, which is a problem as well. It isn’t as if the Braves don’t have fans. The argument that they don’t because they don’t sell out games is pretty flawed.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
That’s what a lot of us long-time Phillies fans were for many years – spiritually fulfilled. Oh, every once in a while a little tear would form at the corner of our eye if we happened to read about a team that had been in ten World Series or some such trivia. But we had the purity of our soul. That, and a whole different level of frustration that no fan today is likely to experience.
by phillyinportland on Jul 8, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you get my point, moron.
Morgan: Do you think I could come into the clubhouse after the game and display my ass for both those veterans and the younger guys?
Baker: Well, Joe, you are on the payroll of the team, and you're a legend, so I suppose — holy shit!
[Joe has appeared next to Dusty, in the dugout, completely naked]
Morgan: Hey.
Background check
He has been banned from both Talking Chop and Amazing Avenue.
He’s a renegade.
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A Maverick!
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 8, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I meant to ask you if you liked my TP can-o-worms pic?…I plan on using it when you are provoked into your logical rants
"A flute without holes, is not a flute. A donut without a hole, is a Danish."
I haven’t been banned from Amazin Avenue.
Morgan: Do you think I could come into the clubhouse after the game and display my ass for both those veterans and the younger guys?
Baker: Well, Joe, you are on the payroll of the team, and you're a legend, so I suppose — holy shit!
[Joe has appeared next to Dusty, in the dugout, completely naked]
Morgan: Hey.
Ah, you’re right:
Unbanned Eric Simon 04/23/10 2:06 PM EDT Amazin’ Avenue
Banned Sam Page 01/13/10 9:22 PM EST Amazin’ Avenue No trolls.
It was just a 3-month bid.
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No, he isn’t right. He said “I haven’t been banned” when, in fact, he has been banned. He isn’t banned right now, but that isn’t what he said.
thanks Gloria Allred,
Morgan: Do you think I could come into the clubhouse after the game and display my ass for both those veterans and the younger guys?
Baker: Well, Joe, you are on the payroll of the team, and you're a legend, so I suppose — holy shit!
[Joe has appeared next to Dusty, in the dugout, completely naked]
Morgan: Hey.
He went on a rant about how he was “taking his talents from TC” sparked a whole angry mob against some of the Mods
Steak, Shrimp, Liquor, and Pasta
Indeed
Morgan: Do you think I could come into the clubhouse after the game and display my ass for both those veterans and the younger guys?
Baker: Well, Joe, you are on the payroll of the team, and you're a legend, so I suppose — holy shit!
[Joe has appeared next to Dusty, in the dugout, completely naked]
Morgan: Hey.
No, I really fucking don’t. Please enlighten me.
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I get it:
“It’s not fay-urrrrrr!!!!”
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 8, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Native American Name Generator
Roy Halladay = “Big Splintering Maple”
Cole Hamels = “One who Scares Bats”
Cliff Lee = “Painter of Plates”
Ryan Howard = “Gatherer of Steaks”
Jimmy Rollins = “Steps with Air”
Charlie Manuel = “Great Listening Belly”
Raul Ibanez = “Old Freezing Sun”
David Herndon = “Plays with Pigs”
I’ll stop there…give it a try
"A flute without holes, is not a flute. A donut without a hole, is a Danish."
Never got the impression most fans around the league disliked Chipper. Got the fan vote in 2008 when he deserved it, and doesn’t usually get it when he doesn’t deserve it. McCann has been the best NL catcher for a number of years but this is his first year getting voted in. I don’t see that as people disliking McCann, but more the Braves not being an extremely popular and interesting team — I.E. few big FA signings, not many dominant players.
I would expect most Phillies fans to dislike him, that’s how a lot of fans are of rival team’s players, especially ones who play for a lot of time. I don’t think the generalized “he’s hated across the league” notion is accurate though.
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by BenDuronio on Jul 8, 2011 12:35 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I never understood that with McCann…I was always a bit pissed that Yadier Molina would start, but then I realized that McCann would play the more important later innings and I would much rather have him come to the plate with a chance to win the game for the NL than Molina. So, now I’m mad that he is starting.
"A flute without holes, is not a flute. A donut without a hole, is a Danish."
Agree completely.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
This
is a very astute comment.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
I took it more to be tongue in cheek, which most posts like these are on TGP. While there may be a hint of truth in some of them, they are very much hyperbole.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
blahahahaha!!!
I literally can’t wait for this weekend’s series against the Phucking Fillies. Their fear fills the air like the smell of delicious cinnamon rolls.
"A flute without holes, is not a flute. A donut without a hole, is a Danish."
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