Baseball Is Not Football: Phillies 4, Nationals 5
by David S. Cohen on Aug 21, 2011 8:19 PM EDT
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PrintSee, on Friday, I tempted the baseball gods by explaining how the Phillies are playing like a football team, a top-tier one no less.. But, as with Friday night's game, today we once again saw how the baseball gods can remind us oh so clearly how baseball is decidedly not football.
Unlike in football where if you have a lead going into the last few seconds you pretty much know the outcome, in baseball, there is no clock. And today, we saw what that means. Trailing 4-3, the Nationals were down to their final strike. Antonio Bastardo had looked absolutely vicious with his stuff for the first 2 batters and the first 2 strikes on Ian Desmond. But then . . . baseball happened.
Desmond hit a pretty good pitch and placed it into the left field seats. The Phillies were stunned, and the game was tied 4-4. Then more baseball in the bottom of the 10th. With the bases loaded, Brad Lidge threw a pitch inside to Jonny Gomes, who gladly let the ball deflect off his body armor without even trying to get out of the way. But, that's allowed in baseball, and that scored the winning run for the Nationals, who took the series from the Phils, two games to one. It was the Phillies first road series loss in 9 series, which is pretty amazing.
It still doesn't take the sting off of this one, nor off of the Phils' third blown lead in the ninth inning in the last five games. Regardless, the Phils are still 6.5 games up on the Braves. I'll take that.
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Oh yeah, it’s tool humor meant for Phrozen.
“Framing hammers, used for framing wooden houses, are heavy duty rip hammers with a straight claw. The hammer heads typically weigh from 20 to 32 ounces (567 to 907 grams) for steel heads, and 12 to 16 ounces (340 to 454 grams) for titanium heads. Heavy heads, longer handles and milled faces allow for driving large nails quickly into dimensional lumber.”
“The straight claw serves the dual purpose of removing nails and acting as a crow bar to pry apart (rip) lumber. It does not have as much leverage for removing nails as a curved claw hammer when using the face of the claw as the fulcrum, but the handle can be pulled to the side to greatly increase leverage by using a very short fulcrum.”
The hammer the fella in the picture has is called a claw hammer which has been designed for trim and finish carpentry applications eventhough it serves as a general, all purpose hammer – good for your typical homeowner. It’s lighter and the head has a smaller striking surface for driving in lighter gauged finish nails (headless nails) where more control is required to avoid smashing the finished, visible workpiece.
Framing hammer (this particular style is a Califorina framer). 16 oz. Claw hammer.
LOL.
Oh yeah, it’s tool humor meant for Phrozen.
You’re on to me.
And yeah, the tack hammer isn’t going to cut it for the fella up there. What on earth is that from, anyway?
It’s some blog entry about brad nailers. (You might have to scroll aways down the page if it doesn’t open to the spot. I think it’s sponsored by EBAY. There’s a shitload of stuff for sale before you get to the entry.) Totally random find.
Hey BTW, you know alot more about heavy equipment than me. What the exactly is a Ferguson for other than as a makeshift LOL Killdozer failblock. I Googled it but all I found was Massey Ferguson and their current product line is heavy argiculture equipment none of which looked like the Ferguson in the Killdozer vid.
Awesome. “Gerry Bowles Freshwater Fishing.” I love those fake-adbolgs, or, at least, the thought that anyone would assume they’re real.
“Ferguson” is slang for a scraper, such as “Cat” for a dozer. Massey-Ferguson (I think—or some other iteration) invented the scraper box to be towed by tractors, and modern scrapers are derived from that.
What do you do, jreed, if you don’t mind my asking? You know more about equipment than the average layman.
Eh. I know the rules say you’re supposed to move away from the pitch, but as far as I see it, if you’re willing to take the hit, that’s your decision. Granted, the elbow pad makes the decision easier, but you’re still taking the chance that it’ll miss your “body armor” or deflect off or something. As a fan of a team featuring Chase Utley, I’m certainly not going to begrudge anyone that little bit of “gamesmanship.”
"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews
Yeah- as much as I want to, that would be hypocritical. Plus, he was not crowding the plate and did not lean in. It sucks, but I don’t see him as the bad guy in this.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
If anything, I direct my vitriol towards Ian Desmond, he of the 4 homeruns and the .228 BA. Of all the guys to beat us, why did it have to be him? I was fine (relatively speaking) when Zimmermann smacked one, because you expect it.
"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews
by Senor Octubre on Aug 21, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a bad comparison, though, because Utley doesn’t wear armor. I think the armor is a puss move, but it’s legal so whatareyougonna do?
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
True… I have always wondered which part of his brain fails on that- he has magnets set deep in his bones and wears less protection than anyone else (other than Hunter Pence, who does not even bother with two batting gloves).
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
Moyer didn’t wear gloves at all. Neither does Vlad Guerro, and a few other old-timers. I admire that.
I hadn’t noticed that before.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 22, 2011 8:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Should a guy be penalized for not wanting to shatter his elbow? Besides, that pitch is coming in at 90 MPH. I’m sure he knows whereabouts it’s going to hit him, but it’s still risking that the ball will hit an unprotected spot just above or just below the elbow.
"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews
by Senor Octubre on Aug 21, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Did I say that? No. What I’m saying is if you want to make the comparison make it with Howard, who wears the armor.
I don’t like the armor personally, because I think it’s overused a tad and gives them some sort of false sense of security. Utley is already batshit crazy so he’ll take one for the team everytime; I think the armor makes it too common for guys to lean into the strikezone.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
As Prince would say “That fangraph is what it looks like when doves cry”
We got the 4 aces for baseball, 3CBO in football, and the Russian Walls in hockey. Philly is no longer the blue collar losers, were primetime baby!
Good game, Lets eat
For some reason, I read this as “As Pence would say.” Maybe I’m just itching for Pence’s Proverb 2.
"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews
by Senor Octubre on Aug 21, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Took me a minute to think about the artist and the song. Thought there was some inside joke or Brewer-centric humor. Why in hell would Fielder know anything about doves crying?
Maybe he fell on some diving after a ball?
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 22, 2011 8:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
re-posting this here, from the tail end of the game thread:
just for some added perspective, Phillies now have 6 blown saves (3 real ones, and 3 middle relief ones, including Schwimer today):
1998 Yankees (114 wins on the season): 15 blown saves
1998 Braves (106 wins): 16 blown saves
2001 Mariners (116 wins): 16 blown saves
That closer for the ’98 Yankees must have sucked.
by philsandthrills on Aug 21, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Just out of curiosity, why is Schwimer’s blowing it in the sixth considered a blown save? Is he penalized because he actually went three innings, or is it just that there are no blown holds anymore?
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 21, 2011 9:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
anything after the starter is removed that is under three runs is a “save situation”, which is nonsense, of course
I thought Schwimer did a good job. The first hitter he faced went deep on him (and Espinosa’s homer was a bomb), but he has some good stuff and had them off balance. SSS, of course, but maybe we have something here, although he was much better against the righties.
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also, today and Friday sucked, but what can you do?
as I said at the close of yesterday’s win, which ended another one of those horrible one-game losing streaks: one thing that’s so awesome about this team is how they come back the next day after this kind of loss and just whip the other team, as if they were annoyed
I could’ve sworn I saw Ronde Barber catch that hanging slider and take it to the left field house.
30 and counting...
Eff him, too. That was the year, man. They really found a way to blow it.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Levon Kirkland chasing after Jurevicious could be like Ibanez allowing Zimmerman to get to 2nd on a ball that should have been a single
30 and counting...
Ibanez was uber slow in getting to that, especially in an alleged no-doubles defense. I had hoped that Mayberry would be put in, but Ibanez being Charlie’s Guy™ and all…
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by WanderingMoses on Aug 21, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
not gonna lie…I was pissed that they didn’t send Zimmerman on the Werth single to left. I wanted Charlie to have that week shot put throw home fresh in his mind after Mayberry’s laser last night.
30 and counting...
I wouldn’t say that I was pissed, but the fact is that Zim was already rounding third by the time Ibanez even sniffed that ball just goes to show that the Book™ is actually a contagious disease. Zim would have scored standing on that, methinks.
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by WanderingMoses on Aug 21, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
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Yup I strained my right groin! Will keep you posted after I see the doc tomorrow
Awesome.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
This is awesome, and all I did was enter my name
We got the 4 aces for baseball, 3CBO in football, and the Russian Walls in hockey. Philly is no longer the blue collar losers, were primetime baby!
Good game, Lets eat
Charming- I am beginning to think that Valdez has a couple of Kyle’s voodoo dolls.
In good injury news, it looks like Polanco will be returning tomorrow.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 21, 2011 9:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yay- maybe he can hit that triple we have been waiting for!
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 21, 2011 11:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And I’ll love him….
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 21, 2011 11:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And I’ll love him….
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 21, 2011 11:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
“I am beginning to think” is one of your favorite ways to start sentences I have noticed.
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by FuquaManuel on Aug 21, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
So if Charlie brings in Madson to save the game on Tuesday after Halladay got into trouble
Then Charlie doesn’t feel a need to use Madson in the blowout on Wednesday to "get work"
Which means that on Thursday he would have been pitching with rest, instead of on consecutive days
Which means on Friday, Madson would only have been pitching on two consecutive days instead of three
Which means on Saturday, Madson’s day off wouldn’t have been his first in four days
Which means that today, Madson wouldn’t have been unavailable
There’s a decent chance that Charlie’s idiotic decision on Tuesday has now cost the Phillies three games – and counting.
Charlie deserves whatever criticism he gets for this and more.
by taco pal on Aug 21, 2011 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Haha TP, that’s going a bit further than I would.
by philsandthrills on Aug 21, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry, but this is a bit much.
It’s already saying too much to say the decision on Tuesday was “idiotic”. Plenty of non-idiots on this very board have taken various different opinions on that, some of whom are bloglords, some not. It seems extreme to call it idiotic or stupid.
Second, Madson was already warming on Wednesday’s game before it got out of hand. Once he’s warmed up, he’s already more or less burned.
Friday’s game? Shit just happened. Madson wasn’t his sharpest, but he wasn’t throwing 89 mph meatballs either.
Today? Bastardo was straight dealing, and got hit.
and, in fact, Bastardo pitched in the exact same three games as Madson, and was also warming at the exact same time in Tuesday’s game, and yet showed no ill effects in any of his appearances, including today, when Desmond just got lucky
Not every pitcher is the same. And just because he didn’t show and effects doesn’t mean that it was right. I’m not saying you are wrong, all you did was point out what happened and you are right, Bastardo seemed fine. But that doesn’t mean he was necessarily handled the right way.
I find it humorous that Charlie didn’t want Halladay starting the ASG because of his workload and yet he has no problem using Madson the way he has this past week. And this isn’t the first time he has done something idiotic like this with Madson or Lidge before him.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
All I’m suggesting is that the certainty that Charlie was being idiotic is misplaced. Charlie made a decision that didn’t work out. Would I have brought Madson in on Tuesday? Probably, yes, after he got in trouble (but I don’t find the decision not to moronic). But then I might well have had him warming up on Wednesday before it got out of hand, too.
And you’re right, just because they don’t show ill effects, doesn’t mean there are none. But I doubt anyone really expected Madson to have the inning he had Friday night, even given the week’s events before that. He just lost.
We know far less than we think we do about these things (and I don’t mean by that that we should defer to Charlie or Dubee because they know better; I sure enough bitch about certain decisions myself). Pretending we know more isn’t helpful.
He is the only one allowed to abuse his pitchers.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 21, 2011 11:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Charlie is allowed to make bad decisions involving not resting his pitchers because they are his players. Bochy was only being loaned Halladay and Lee for one game and therefore needed to handle them with kid gloves.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 22, 2011 8:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So what is the statute of limitations on that decision anyway?
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 21, 2011 11:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice rant, Taco, but too much of a stretch. Plus, Madson isn’t really measurably better than Bastardo, is he? The lil’ Bastard struck out the first two hitters without any effort at all—would you have expected a better performance from Madson?
Wouldn’t sabermetrics actually show that Bastardo is the better pitcher of the two?
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 22, 2011 12:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Off-topic, but I can’t believe how irritating Bobby Valentine is on Sunday Night Football. He critiqued the maturity of the Cubs’ Starlin Castro for, I don’t know, a good five minutes straight (talking right over game action), at which point I turned away; five minutes later, I click back, and he’s still talking about Castro, and how he needs to pay attention, grow up, etc.
I know that ESPN announcers aren’t classically good or anything, but there’s beating a dead horse, and then there’s grinding it into chuck.
the only national broadcast tandem I truly enjoy is Costas & Verducci
30 and counting...
by DirtyWaters on Aug 21, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
9.5 Games > 6.5 Games.
Eagles next starting QB: "East-West Shrine Game Legend" Mike Kafka
Flyers: Sigh
Phillies:Gah enough with the injuries!.
Not sure if serious…
"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews
by Senor Octubre on Aug 21, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
In a few weeks, we’ll be out of first place!
by David S. Cohen on Aug 21, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't argue with math.
"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews
by Senor Octubre on Aug 21, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The funny thing is that our lead in the WC increased.
by philsandthrills on Aug 21, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks to the NL West.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Does anybody want to win that division?
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 21, 2011 11:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Does anybody want to win that division?
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 21, 2011 11:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The answer to both of your questions is yes. How they do in September will be a lot more important than their records in August. One of those teams will very likely play the Phillies in the NLDS.
by phillyinportland on Aug 21, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank-you Houston!!!
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 21, 2011 11:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At any rate, is it time to comfort ourselves with humor and sarcasm yet?
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Really the only thing that can consistently beat the Phillies is the weather, not the Nationals. No more rain delays!!
And one nice thing tomorrow, just like last Wednesday, is that Cliff Lee is pitching next.
by phillyinportland on Aug 22, 2011 5:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Again the game graph illustrates it...
Last week somebody pointed out a bad game’s graph looking like a butt. Yesterday’s game graph looks appropriately like a wilting something else, don’t you think?
Let’s hope we turn the graphs around and start erecting a truly historic September!
by Benjamin Gerber on Aug 22, 2011 5:42 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
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