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An Open Letter to David Herndon on the Day Mike Stutes's ERA Climbed Above His

Dear David Herndon

It's nothing personal, I swear. For all I know, you are a perfectly fine human being. By that same token, for all I know you are a closeted neo-Nazi who impales chinchillas with a pitchfork, sets them on fire, and uses them to light his basement torture dungeon. I don't care. 

It's not about who you are. 

It's about what you do on the baseball diamond and how you are perceived and treated by Phillies fans--in particular, the apparent disconnect between those two things. So, it's about justice. 

For some reason, people in this city really hate you. If many fans had their way, you would be consigned to mop-up duty. Your entrance into close games is still greeted with groans and angry mutterings of "Oh God, Herndon? Really?!" 

They can't possibly be looking objectively at your performance this season, because if they did that, they'd recognize that you have actually been quite good. Rather, fan opinion of you seems to have been poisoned by your replacement-level 2010 campaign and your rough start this season. You're not a bad pitcher, but damnit if people don't really want you to be a bad pitcher. 

During your horrid start to this season (which I'm sure you would prefer not to remember) a number of fans insisted that you were simply performing to your true talent level and that your prospects for success at the Major League level were grim. On May 1, I came to your defense, arguing that you possess two valuable skills as a pitcher: an ability to generate loads of groundballs and good control. If you could improve your K-rate (something your minor league numbers indicated there was a precedent for), I said, you could turn out to be quite a nice piece in the Phillies bullpen. 

You did, and I was right. 

Star-divide

So at the beginning of this month, I wrote a follow-up piece arguing that based on your respective peripheral stats, right now you are a better pitcher than fan and media darling Michael Stutes. The crux of my argument was that despite your ERA estimators all being better than Stutes's, your ERA itself was higher because an unsustainably high proportion of your flyballs were leaving the ballpark while an unsustainably low proportion of balls put in play against Stutes were being turned into outs. My conclusions didn't sit well with some of the people who are predisposed to disliking you. 

Implicit in that piece was the notion that as you both continued to pitch and as both of your luck continued to normalize, your ERA would, in turn, dip below Stutes's. Since posting that piece, you have pitched nine scoreless innings with six strikeouts and no walks. Stutes has pitched 8.1 innings with six earned runs, two homers, two walks, and five strikeouts.

With his two inning appearance yesterday in which he allowed three earned runs, Stutes's ERA climbed to 3.75. At the time, your ERA was 3.61 (after your scoreless inning today, it is 3.53). Do you know what this means? It means you are really, actually better than Mike Stutes! Isn't that exciting?! 

Well, actually, my second post was built on the idea that ERA is less indicative of a pitcher's true performance than defense independent metrics like xFIP and SIERA. Since I wrote that article, the gap between Stutes's and your DIPS has widened even further. Stutes is now at 4.47/3.77 (xFIP/SIERA), you are at 3.59/3.11. But ERA was the last rickety leg your haters (and saber-bashers) had to stand on. Now that your ERA is better, their whole poorly-constructed Ikea table has toppled over. Or it should have, at least. Of course, as the old dictum goes, "haters gon' hate." Continue to be strong, don't ever let them get you down. 

This all may seem like a bunch of highfalutin mumbo jumbo to you. That's fine. If there's one thing you should take away from this letter, it is that sense of restrained smugness that comes along with knowing you are better than a more popular teammate. 

Finally, be more confident in yourself. Your accomplishments do not go unnoticed by those of us who try as hard as we can to approach baseball objectively. 

Sincerely, 

FuquaManuel

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I remember watching Herndon during Spring Training 2010 against the Yankees, and his performance against the Astros weeks later. Since Day 1 after the Rule 5 draft, I’ve been pulling for this kid to make it, and I’ll be damned if he hasn’t finally put it all together. I’ll always love the Herndog.

Time is not made of lines. It is made of circles. That is why clocks are round.
-Michael J Caboose

by TheOrangeCone on Aug 25, 2011 12:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah man, you and the organization appear to have been right after all about Herndon, I was admittedly one of his detractors…

by BySaam on Aug 25, 2011 1:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Have you noticed he has taken a few MPH off his sinker? He gets more movement; he commands it a bit better and he gets more swingandamiss’s.

He still needs to have the good command of his control. He succeeded recently with quite a few guys swinging at stuff outside the zone. If more guys lay off of his sinker and slider moving out of the zone he may have to adjust some more.

But he has looked much better since he made that adjustment to his MPH on the sinker. He gives up a hit and gets a ground ball or two nearly every inning he pitches. He’s pretty fun to watch.

Keep getting the Ks and the grounders and we have us another good reliefer.

by smitty99 on Aug 25, 2011 1:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Herndon will always be uglier.

But rec’d for awesomeness.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Aug 25, 2011 6:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Loved the haters gif.

One thing left out — who was it that drafted Herndon? How smug is that guy?

Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."

by RememberthePhitans on Aug 25, 2011 7:29 AM EDT reply actions  

As Smugologist, this post is registering as a 7.1 on the Amaro Scale

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 25, 2011 7:41 AM EDT reply actions  

FM’s almost gone ‘Full Amaro’ on us.

by jkrisch on Aug 25, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

he deserves to be smug…..he pulled a “John Adams” (defending very unpopular people)

by 5FOR1TRADE on Aug 25, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please stop it with the Herndon love, way too many people will start to like him.

by cyhamels on Aug 25, 2011 8:33 AM EDT reply actions  

You can go on irrationally hating him if you want to. But that won’t change how he is viewed at this site by the masthead.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Aug 25, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t I keep trying though?

by cyhamels on Aug 25, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

By all means.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Aug 25, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he means that soon, we won’t be the only ones liking him and then we won’t be an exclusive in-crowd anymore. The minute people start buying Herndon shirsheys is the minute we lose our hipster-geek coolness.

Let's go eat...a triceratops. /velociraptor'd

by LeepinLizardz on Aug 25, 2011 9:24 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions   1 recs

p. s.

This and the above comment was posted using the new iPhone app.

Hipster-geek coolness indeed.

Let's go eat...a triceratops. /velociraptor'd

by LeepinLizardz on Aug 25, 2011 9:26 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Cool- how do you like the new App (off to download it- I apparently missed some things while on vacation :) )

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Aug 25, 2011 9:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It just came out this morning. I’m not sure how I feel about it. The comments are a little wonky. I’d like it if it showed new comments in a different color or allowed a “z” function to mark comments as read. You need to go back to the main page and refresh to get new comments, and then it doesn’t show which comments are new. Unless I’m just doing something wrong, which is entirely possible.

You also can’t see the comment you’re replying to, which may not be good if you’re trying to respond to certain points in Logicdome fashion.

At any rate, I think I’ll just stick to the regular website on my iPad, even though it lags a bit and doesn’t have a “z” function either. Oh well.

Let's go eat...a triceratops. /velociraptor'd

by LeepinLizardz on Aug 25, 2011 9:39 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Sounds like a work in progress- I may try it to see if it at least eliminates the double posting- I wish it at least noted when a post had new comments (something that even mobile tells me)- other than that, actually marking them is gravy for me- they bring that and the ability to put images in my posts, and I will be entirely happy.

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Aug 25, 2011 9:51 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I agree about the new comments part. I can’t imagine following a game thread on the app. It’s essentially a much better version of the mobile site version, IMO. some pretty cool features.

Also, Herndon, Yay.

25.8/106 "Winter is coming" -Eddard Stark

by Joecatz on Aug 25, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

It won’t be too different from commenting on mobile (no marking on there either).

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Aug 25, 2011 6:15 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

My above original post here was sarcastic. I was one of the ones that came to Stutes’s defense during part II of FM’s 3 part Herdon Trilogy. I have sinced realized that I was most likely wrong. I pointed it out in Tuesday’s came recap. But I never felt my arugment was irrational or I that I was “predisposed to disliking” him. I went back and forth with FM for a while, trying to rationalize my points. (Another poster took it to another level with him). I certainly wasn’t “sabre-bashing”, if he was referring to comments like mine.

by cyhamels on Aug 25, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha. I wasn’t aware of your previous “history.”

As regards to Herndon/Stutes, to me anyway it was obvious who was better just by Watching The Games With My Eyes. I am certainly not the most SABR savvy person (though I respect it) and even to me, Herndon always “looked” better. Even when their ERAs didn’t match up with what I was seeing.

I guess it’s easy to see Herndon generating groundball after groundball and not allowing too many baserunners. And easy to see Stutes generating deep flyballs and walking dudes. I dunno, Stutes always kinda made me uneasy, and he still does. It’s not that I dislike Stutes, because I don’t think that he’s bad at baseball, I just think Herndon is a bit better.

Let's go eat...a triceratops. /velociraptor'd

by LeepinLizardz on Aug 25, 2011 9:51 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I wasn’t referring to your comments, fear not.

by FuquaManuel on Aug 25, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing hipster can be cool

If you've got some hopelessly overmatched heroes fighting evil and some Imperial types marching, John Williams is your guy. You need a song to make people reach for a box of Kleenex, talk to Randy Newman. But if you want creepy atmospherics and spine-shivering chords to back up your casual death threats, you gotta bring in Danny Elfman

by SportingFanaticism on Aug 25, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s why trendster is better.

by Phrozen on Aug 25, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

To me that just sounds like someone following a trend.

I wonder will Fuqua publish an article next time something he argues is so obviously proven wrong?

If you've got some hopelessly overmatched heroes fighting evil and some Imperial types marching, John Williams is your guy. You need a song to make people reach for a box of Kleenex, talk to Randy Newman. But if you want creepy atmospherics and spine-shivering chords to back up your casual death threats, you gotta bring in Danny Elfman

by SportingFanaticism on Aug 25, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perfect for the dog days of August. I’m wondering what the second sentence refers to. To something about Herndon or another argument you made.

by phillyinportland on Aug 25, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing in particular – but no one is always right

If you've got some hopelessly overmatched heroes fighting evil and some Imperial types marching, John Williams is your guy. You need a song to make people reach for a box of Kleenex, talk to Randy Newman. But if you want creepy atmospherics and spine-shivering chords to back up your casual death threats, you gotta bring in Danny Elfman

by SportingFanaticism on Aug 26, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve definitely come around to ol’ “Hermy” as I like to call him. Stutes did well, but I never expected that to last. Herndon has impressed me though. No more “Herndon?!?! GAH”

Eagles next starting QB: "East-West Shrine Game Legend" Mike Kafka
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by bdawk4ever on Aug 25, 2011 8:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Great Work Fuqua!

Your second blog on this made me see both relievers differently, and, as one of the many who strongly preferred Stutes to Herndon, I began watching each more closely, looking to see if they would become who the numbers said they were. Thank-you for opening my eyes- I see both of them much differently now.

Also, I noticed that Herndon’s xFIP and ERA are very close to each other- how common is this?

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Aug 25, 2011 9:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Re: Herndon’s xFIP and ERA. That’s a good thing, right? It means that his ERA is right where it should be.

I’d guess that it’s pretty common among pitchers who are pitching to their true talent level.

Let's go eat...a triceratops. /velociraptor'd

by LeepinLizardz on Aug 25, 2011 9:42 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

It means that a pitcher is having essentially neutral luck, and really should occur given a large enough sample- I am just surprised to see it.

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Aug 25, 2011 10:21 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

it’s not terribly common, but xFIP is said to be the best predictor of future ERA

by Governator on Aug 25, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

In single season samples at least. And if a pitcher has true talent BABIP and HR/FB different from the average, his ERA and xFIP will probably never converge. Matt Cain for instance

by Governator on Aug 25, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

slowly coming around

i actually said to my friend the other day how surprised i was about herndon’s numbers being good. but i remember when he was sent down he had the worst stats for a RP in baseball. and i remember him being g-d awful all of last year but i believe players can rebound from atrocity (see devil rays 07-08). i think stutes’ problem is he’s been overworked (albeit he’s pitched only like 40 innings) but he’s had to deal w/more pressure being in the majors. i stil cringe when herndon comes in but i’ll save my death threats until after the season when i see his final numbers. also, can’t wait to get my mayberry shersey

by Sam H on Aug 25, 2011 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

you know what? he wasn’t god awful last year, either

by yolacrary on Aug 25, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he got better last year as the season went by, particularly in terms of missing bats.

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Aug 25, 2011 5:24 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Yep, and this was basically the main point of FM’s series of articles the last time around. Herndon showed potential last year to be a good pitcher and now he has developed to the point where he can be declared one.
Beyond even any DIPS interpretations of Herndon’s 2010, what gives you the justification to call his year “god awful”?
His 4.30 ERA? Because that’s not exactly god awful in my book.

by philsandthrills on Aug 25, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Low ERAs Noticed

It is perhaps also worth mentioning that Stutes now has the highest ERA on the current staff except for Michael Schwimer’s 4 IP/4.50 ERA. Stutes’ ERA+ is 104, so the lowest man on the staff is better than league average for ERA.

by phillyinportland on Aug 25, 2011 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

How do the ERA+ numbers for the rest of the group stack up?

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Aug 25, 2011 8:22 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Impressive, of course

From Bastardo (ERA+ of 268) and Halladay (151) to Herndon (110) and Oswalt (110) they are what you’d expect from a team with an ERA+ of 126.

by phillyinportland on Aug 25, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The craziest thing about that ERA+?
Worley: 146
Lee: 143

by Phrozen on Aug 26, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Holy Toledo- Bastardo has an ERA+ over a hundred points better than Halladay. Wow. Just wow.

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Aug 26, 2011 12:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And another thing....

You defended Herndon at his lowest point and Stutes’ highest point.

I honestly thought that you were a bit crazy, because Stutes was pitching in high leverage situations and Herndon was confined to mop up duty.

Since then, I decided to give Herndon another shot and chill out. (something that this blog has done to me on numerous occasions). Herndon has done fantastic and Stutes…meh.

Color me impressed….

by 5FOR1TRADE on Aug 25, 2011 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Yet, Manuel and company continue to relegate Herndon to mop up duty and allow Stutes to come out in higher leverage situations.

Now I understand that part of Stutes getting higher leverage opportunities was a function of Madson being on the DL, but should Herndon get a crack at some higher leverage innings (mostly thinking spelling Madson and Bastardo when they need time off?)

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Aug 25, 2011 8:25 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Since then, I decided to give Herndon another shot and chill out. (something that this blog has done to me on numerous occasions). Herndon has done fantastic and Stutes…meh.

Yeah, get used to that (re: the blog changing minds). It happens a lot, which is just one thing that makes this blog awesome and what evokes an appreciation of advanced stats from me, despite my lack of math comprehension.

Let's go eat...a triceratops. /velociraptor'd

by LeepinLizardz on Aug 26, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I completely agree!

by 5FOR1TRADE on Aug 26, 2011 5:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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