Cole and Shane Bring the Pain: Phillies 3, Reds 2
by WholeCamels on Aug 29, 2011 11:11 PM EDT
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Shane Victorino continued making a case for his nascent MVP candidacy, ripping a two run home run in the eighth inning, putting the Phillies ahead after a strong return to the rotation from Cole Hamels, as the Phillies topped the Reds by a score of 3-2 tonight in Cincinnati.
The opening frames were dominated by pitching, with Homer Bailey and Hamels each completing one turn through the opposing lineup without allowing a baserunner. Each allowed his first hit in the fourth inning, both on defensive miscues -- the Phillies' on a misplayed grounder in the hole by Brandon Phillips off the bat of Chase Utley, the Reds' on a bizarre stumble in right field by Hunter Pence that resulted in a triple for Brandon Phillips, who would then score on a groundout by Joey Votto.
The Phillies would strike back in the fifth on an RBI double by Wilson Valdez, once again misplayed by Reds left fielder and New Guy in Town Dave Sappelt.
Hamels would complete six innings and was pulled from the game after 76 pitches, much to his own consternation; the left-hander was seen sharing some tense words with Charlie Manuel in the dugout. Still, he allowed just two hits, one (barely) earned run, striking out seven and walking none. His velocity was on the low side, sitting around 90-91 rather than 92-94, but he mixed in his offspeed and breaking stuff, locating all his pitches well.
The score would remain tied at one run apiece until the eighth inning, when Shane Victorino struck a two-run home run to right field to put the Phillies up 3-1. The Reds would strike in the bottom of the eighth, exploiting a couple of miscues by the Phillies' defense -- a misplayed hard grounder by Placido Polanco, and another bad throw from Polanco allowing the second run to score -- but Mike Stutes was able to get defending MVP Joey Votto to ground out to end the threat.
After allowing a leadoff hit to Jay Bruce in the bottom of the ninth, Ryan Madson was able to retire the next three batters.
Enjoy. See you tomorrow.
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Meanwhile, this pic was taken of Raul in the dugout today
We got the 4 aces for baseball, 3CBO in football, and the Russian Walls in hockey. Philly is no longer the blue collar losers, were primetime baby!
Good game, Lets eat
What killed the dinosaurs? THE ICE AGE.
by ThinMountainAir on Aug 30, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Terra Nova – just watch
If you've got some hopelessly overmatched heroes fighting evil and some Imperial types marching, John Williams is your guy. You need a song to make people reach for a box of Kleenex, talk to Randy Newman. But if you want creepy atmospherics and spine-shivering chords to back up your casual death threats, you gotta bring in Danny Elfman
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 30, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
They are trying to give him some extra rest and time to insure that he is moving well in the field. Manuel said he thought of starting him yesterday but decided to give him an extra day to rest.
Thoughts on Mayberry as the starting left fielder next year? He is sure putting together quite the audition.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 30, 2011 9:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I doubt he’ll start but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him platoon with Brown.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Aug 30, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
fresh of DL, he hadn’t started in over two weeks, get the bullpen some work. I don’t know, but those are the only explanations I can come up with.
It's only gonna get funner
by VanceinmyPants on Aug 29, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Phillies are saying it was just to try to ease him back in. Cole says that he was feeling good and that he lobbied to be allowed to stay in, but they wouldn’t let him.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 30, 2011 9:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mine too. Granted, I do not understand the run last night being on him (any out would have ended the inning, and I think a good throw by Polanco gets the runner at first). I would really like to see Herndon get a shot late in the game.
That being said, I loved that Manuel played to the leverage of the situation and not the inning last night in using Bastardo against the tough lefties in the seventh.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 30, 2011 9:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
THANK YOU
I was waiting to see someone acknowledge that move here.
Manuel bashing is the norm around here. It’s nice to see someone give the man props for a great call.
Manuel bashing is not the “norm”. There are plenty of games and threads where he isn’t bashed.
Imagine if Dusty or Tony were the Phillies’ manager…?
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
So much blood…
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Aug 30, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Our long national nightmare is over
Bonus points for identifying the quote.
And don’t tell anyone on TC I said this or they’ll go all David Cohen on me.
by phillyinportland on Aug 29, 2011 11:40 PM EDT reply actions
Sorry
I see someone else used this already. No intent to step on toes, yolacrary. The sentiment remains.
by phillyinportland on Aug 30, 2011 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions
"Dusty" Baker Namesake Mitch-o-meter Reading: Dusty Rhodes
Cole leaving the mound after the 6th inning…
I missed you….25 and counting
26 and counting...
by DirtyWaters on Aug 29, 2011 11:45 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
This one is epic just for the awkwardly close camera guy
We got the 4 aces for baseball, 3CBO in football, and the Russian Walls in hockey. Philly is no longer the blue collar losers, were primetime baby!
Good game, Lets eat
that must be channel 6 weatherman Adam Joseph with the camera phone
25 and counting...
by DirtyWaters on Aug 29, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
his forecast calls for long periods of SEXY.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 30, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is why I was hoping for the game recap title, “Winning, After a Fashion: Phillies 3, Reds 2” but alas, the power was out until just a few hours ago, and I was unable to send the blog lord message pigeon to Whole Camels.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 30, 2011 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Dark wings, dark words.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Aug 30, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I regret that I have but one rec to give for my Dancing Cole.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Aug 30, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
So anyone want to take odds that the Giants finish the season with a non-winning record? 20% is starting to look nonabsurd….
I don't know if I see that happening
But I can see them losing that division by more than 8 games.
It's only gonna get funner
by VanceinmyPants on Aug 30, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Charlie is damned if you do, damned if you don’t. If he lets guys go to long the fans, especially me, bitch about it, and rightfully so in some cases, and if he doesn’t let guys go long enough they bitch to him. Personally, I am ok with them easing Cole back into it a little bit. That said, Cole probably could have gone another inning but who knows, could have been a 10 pitch inning or it could have been 30.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I don't know a lot of people upset that Hamels was taken out
if it was just due to being careful with him. I think most were concerned that perhaps there was something wrong since the velocity wasn’t quite there and the PC was so low.
33 games in 31 days.
That’s at least 2 Kendrick starts, without any injuries to the rotation, or days in which Charlie rests a starter.
Hamels will have a least 4 more starts, which I think Charlie took into consideration. It’s going to be a long tiring month
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 30, 2011 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you nailed it there. Ol’ Cholly’s just keeping guys fresh for the stretch run, and getting them ready to steamroll into the playoffs.
"Fly Eagles fly..."
by 92-74-99-96 on Aug 30, 2011 8:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree, and I had no real issue with him coming out last night, but Cole clearly did. Which is fine. But it would be nice if Charlie exercised some of that caution with Halladay and Lee.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
And how about Oswalt. They fucked up once with him this season and haven’t exactly been consistent with his PCs since he’s been back. And Blanton who they really screwed the pooch with twice – they were just lucky to have gotten away with it last year. This year, oh, not so much.
Well I wasn’t including Blanton since his season is already lost thanks to their incompetence. As for Oswalt, you could definitely make a case for him as well.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
How can you be so sure it’s coaching incompetence at work here? Seriously, a lot of assumptions are being packed into such a judgment.
What would you call it? And they aren’t assumptions, they are based on patterns of behavior.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
no, the assumptions are that we have the information they had… I think you’re over-reading patterns
it’s not clear to me, for example, how the Phillies “screwed the pooch” twice with Blanton (I realize this is j reed’s line, but you more or less co-signed). He seems to be referring to last year and this year. I would agree that last year Blanton was left in games too long in the first few starts after his return from the DL, but he did have low pitch counts in those games. It affected his ERA more than anything.
As for Blanton’s year this year, we seem to be so sure that we know what should have been done with him, from the beginning. I submit that we do not, and that injuries are difficult. The fact that it took quite some time after his second DL-ing before they learned anything concrete tells me that the injury was somewhat mysterious. And we also know that Blanton withheld information from them. Perhaps he shouldn’t have come back the first time, but apparently for all they knew what he needed was some rest (like Hamels and his shoulder), and they did limit his pitch count in both of those starts.
Oswalt? I’d agree that you’d think his pitch counts would have been more limited in his first few starts upon returning. But then I don’t know. That’s my main point, we don’t really know a lot, don’t have all the information, and yet we act as if we know exactly what should have been done, as if it’s clear that the coaches are rank incompetents with no plan whatsoever.
Again, I’m not at all suggesting that these guys are above criticism, or that because they’re the professionals that we should just defer to them. But we go the opposite direction and don’t allow them any benefit of the doubt.
by yolacrary on Aug 30, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
frankly, I think he has exercised caution with Halladay and Lee… both of them have come out of games after 7 they easily could’ve finished; hell, Lee might have 8 or 9 CG SHOs if it were truly old school thinking going on
Waiting for dannijd to chime in on the game and the fact that I used a photo of a Reds player in the header, but then I realized that they won the game so it’s not likely that we’ll hear from her.
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Surviving… Baseball came back last night and I was too sick to stay up for the recap.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 30, 2011 10:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cole was a smooth criminal, amirite?
Let's go eat...a triceratops. /velociraptor'd
by LeepinLizardz on Aug 30, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
And good morning to you too.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 30, 2011 10:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Braves 8 back in the loss column, Giants 17 back in the WC loss column. Phillies with 32 games remaining.
Phillies on pace for 104ish wins, Braves for 96.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Aug 30, 2011 9:16 AM EDT reply actions
The Dude trying to fill Rob Neyers shoes at ESPN had some nice things to say about the modelling dude
If you've got some hopelessly overmatched heroes fighting evil and some Imperial types marching, John Williams is your guy. You need a song to make people reach for a box of Kleenex, talk to Randy Newman. But if you want creepy atmospherics and spine-shivering chords to back up your casual death threats, you gotta bring in Danny Elfman
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 30, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions
Dropped the “adequate” bomb, did he?
Not happy he got booed, but can’t say I’m surprised either.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Aug 30, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s such a prick.
Yes we handled him wrong, we did this when we should have done that. We opted for this even though we should have opted for something else. But in the end, Dom was adequate and that is all on him.
Oh really?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Almost has an "I told you so" air to it
One thing to remember is that Dom came up twice in moves that could best be described as against Amaro’s better judgment. He was brought up because he was the best option to replace the injured Shane Victorino, not because he was objectively ready. That he struggled was not particularly surprising, and only confirmed what Amaro already knew.
More interesting are some other statements made by the organization regarding Brown’s needing to take some time away from the game this offseason. Now perhaps this is the best thing for him- rest and clearing his head may allow him to come back next year ready to play, but coupled with what has happened in the last year may also show that the organization has soured, at least a little on him.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 30, 2011 2:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You are absolutely right actually. Brown was brought up because of Charlie’s impatience and insistence on another bat. It made a little sense last year but keeping him when Shane got back and not sending him back down made no sense whatsoever.
So while RAJ may have been right in not wanting to bring Dom up, to say, out loud that Brown did an adequate job is a slap to the face of a guy who doesn’t deserve it. If he wants to tell Charlie behind closed doors to keep his yap shut, or to do it privately then by all means but to criticize a guy who was misused, twice, and injured this year is a joke and RAJ is a prick for doing it.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
by EREX21 on Aug 30, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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