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Some Thursday Phillies Links For You, August 4, 2011: Li'l Roy and Strasjesus coming, Stairs going

Late late game tonight. Here are some links to tide you over.

Phillies:

Giving Kyle Kendrick his due
Giving Kyle Kendrick his doo-doo.

Ryan Howard, fastballs, and the fallacy of protection
This article summed up: "cum hoc ergo propter hoc".

Footage of Dom Brown’s IronPigs homer from Tuesday
I wonder if he was picturing Amaro's face on the ball.

Oswalt set to pitch Sunday for Phillies
With strikeouts plz.

Future Planning By Dealing Prospects
An interesting alternate perspective. The other options out there for next year aren't particularly sexy. 

Matt Stairs Retires
Adios, friend.

Elsewhere in baseball:

Scott Boras On Washington Nationals' Right-Hander Stephen Strasburg's Impending Return
*GULP*

Source: MLB could suspend Alex Rodriguez of New York Yankees for illegal poker
A-Rod believed to have been present at the poker game when Jackie Aprile shot Furio.

Diamondbacks Might Not Be Fantastic, But They're Real
Don't sleep on the D-Bags, Phillies fans.

The Animated GIFs Of July: In Which Every Living Baseball Player Is Terrible
Many baseball .GIFs.

Who Gets the Scoop? Number of Correct, First Reported Deals in July
Jon Sphincter takes the "if you throw enough crap at the wall, some of it is bound to stick" approach. 

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This blog uses a lot of Latin to describe the Phillies.

It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.

by Dr. Steve on Aug 4, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Venimus, Vidimus, Vicimus.

Hunter Pence will not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither does Carlos Beltran.

by Bud in TN on Aug 4, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey now……That’s my territory

Welcome to the City of Brotherly Love, now GTFO

by Veni Vidi Vici on Aug 4, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strasboners and ass hammering for everyone!!!

by Domonate on Aug 4, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Furio

RIP Sunshine

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Aug 4, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Sunshine had it coming. That guy was an annoying prick.

by FuquaManuel on Aug 4, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hated Jackie and his friends. I know you’re supposed to, but the sniveling spawn of the mobsters in that show were the worst.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Aug 4, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jackie was a Scarlet Knight for a semester, therefore, he is cool by me.

I've tried 'em all, I really have, and the only church that truly feeds the soul, day in, day out, is the Church of Baseball.

by Mace Chutney on Aug 4, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was by far my least favorite character, besides potentially Vito after his Johnny Cakes soujourn in season 6 (although that’s just because I hated the storyline, not really the character so much). The actor wasn’t exactly talented, and was the first prominent NJ douchebag in popular culture. He may have inadvertently started the Jersey Shore phenomenon as a result.

by The Howling Fantods on Aug 4, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, no. Daniel Bard, although I thought he was on the Sawx.

Celebrating over 50 years of slightly more Phils wins than losses: 1961-2011

by schmenkman on Aug 4, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Transpositional typos lead to interesting and amusing side roads around here.

by essman on Aug 4, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was going to go with an “Out, damned, Rock” reference, but thought it a bit of a stretch.

by Cormican on Aug 4, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

contradicting experts

not sure who to believe…Matt Gelb or Ricky Botallico

"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."

by DirtyWaters on Aug 4, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

No.

Welcome to the City of Brotherly Love, now GTFO

by Veni Vidi Vici on Aug 4, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Hunter Pence will not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither does Carlos Beltran.

by Bud in TN on Aug 4, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That Crashburn article sums things up well. I still think it was more than I would have wanted to give up for him, but I do think it is a better option than not acquiring him at all, given the options available to play Left next season. I don’t have time to articulate this well, but I felt Singleton was the closest the team had to a “sure thing” in the minors and Cosart always made me feel like I was watching them read off the lottery balls and the first 3 matched. It could clearly all go pear shaped the next 2 years for both.

by Cormican on Aug 4, 2011 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Don’t read the comments on the Gelb piece if you don’t want to lose IQ points.

What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.

by doubleh on Aug 4, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I was disappointed that thingfish didn’t at least appreciate the artistry and inventiveness that Matt showed with the made-up numbers.

Celebrating over 50 years of slightly more Phils wins than losses: 1961-2011

by schmenkman on Aug 4, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thing-Fish?

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Aug 4, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

thingfish’s comment was the first one quoted by chase8008 below.

Celebrating over 50 years of slightly more Phils wins than losses: 1961-2011

by schmenkman on Aug 4, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was seriously hoping that was sarcasm on his part.

What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.

by doubleh on Aug 4, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Philly.com hasn’t gotten with the times and thus the sarcasm font isn’t there yet.

A proud member of the Church of BaseBa'al

by WanderingMoses on Aug 4, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

My favorites

useless article. Do you expect us to believe that those numbers actually exist? Look at the irrelevance of them. Also what are Polanco’s similar numbers, or Utley’s. Nobody actually tracks these type of things. You made it up. Howard is hitting now specifically because Pence is hitting behind him. No other reason. Imbecile.

Remember when baseball statistics consisted of HR, RBI, average, ERA? Reading these things is like studying advanced calculus. W and L—those are the ones that matter. And the Phils are 5-0 with Pence (pretty damn good without him also) and cruising. All that matters, not these percentages.

by chase8008 on Aug 4, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

That first one’s great.

by Cormican on Aug 4, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Philly.com

Proof that the tri-state area is filled with nothing but miserable old men trying to get those damn kids of their lawns.

I haven't died. Right now I'm drinking a beer and eating fried chicken. What were you expecting, a funeral?- Yao Ming

by joetimek on Aug 4, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That first one sounds less than serious.

by yolacrary on Aug 4, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

just for my own edification, how are these numbers compiled? I know there is data about where the ball crosses the plate since it shows up on Gameday and other places, but how do they determine what the strike zone is? Do they use the Gameday box or something similar for all pitches regardless of the umpires decision? Do they try to determine the strike zone based on called strikes? Do they use the umpire’s decision for non-swings, and the Gameday box for swings?

by pretzalz on Aug 4, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s based on pitch f/x, which I think MLB provides, but I could be mistaken

by yolacrary on Aug 4, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wins? Losses? Average? Even RBI and Runs are arguably pointless stats.

It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.

by Dr. Steve on Aug 4, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Average, runs, and RBI are not “pointless” (or “meaningless”), they just aren’t terrible informative. Individual pitcher wins and losses are fairly meaningless.

by yolacrary on Aug 4, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they have value as a team’s rough sketch.

by j reed on Aug 4, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if you add up all of the individual pitcher wins and losses, you have a pretty good picture of how the team as a whole has performed…

by Phrozen on Aug 4, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually...

The “win” is pretty important. Reds lead their division in 3rd order wins. Probably won’t make the PS.

I've tried 'em all, I really have, and the only church that truly feeds the soul, day in, day out, is the Church of Baseball.

by Mace Chutney on Aug 4, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

How does one get these wins you speak of?

by taco pal on Aug 4, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mostly skill, partially luck.

I've tried 'em all, I really have, and the only church that truly feeds the soul, day in, day out, is the Church of Baseball.

by Mace Chutney on Aug 4, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great. What is the best way to measure skill? In what way, if any, can one maximize luck?

by taco pal on Aug 4, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best way to maximize luck: 1 inning World Series, then extra innings if tied after 1.

Not sure of the best way to measure team skill.

I've tried 'em all, I really have, and the only church that truly feeds the soul, day in, day out, is the Church of Baseball.

by Mace Chutney on Aug 4, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best way to maximize luck: 1 inning World Series, then extra innings coin flips if tied after 1.

Fixed.

by Phrozen on Aug 4, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dag. Two scat references in one links post? I’m losing it.

by FuquaManuel on Aug 4, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank you for calling him Jon Sphincter. I laffed and laffed.

Let's go eat...a triceratops. /velociraptor'd

by LeepinLizardz on Aug 4, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually a pretty good article on Crashburn Alley. No doubt that when Pence’s contract is up the market will be significantly better, or one of our outfield prospects will be almost ready for the bigs. Although I have a feeling Pence will be in red pinstripes for several years to come.

Time is not made of lines. It is made of circles. That is why clocks are round.
-Michael J Caboose

by TheOrangeCone on Aug 4, 2011 2:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t really want to buy out his arb and have him for 5+ years. Maybe I’m in the minority.

What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.

by doubleh on Aug 4, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

All depends how the kids develop and whether we get anybody via trade or FA between now and then. Either way, I wouldn’t work on anything for, at least, another year.

by Cormican on Aug 4, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Expect action

Syllogism practice:

(1) RAJ hates arbitration
(2) Hunter Pence will face arbitration in the off-season unless the Phils sign him to a deal
(3) (Your turn on #3)

Hunter Pence will not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither does Carlos Beltran.

by Bud in TN on Aug 4, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

(3) ????
(4) PROFIT!!

Time is not made of lines. It is made of circles. That is why clocks are round.
-Michael J Caboose

by TheOrangeCone on Aug 4, 2011 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’d rather have overpaid for Pence than be stuck with Werth’s contract.

I've tried 'em all, I really have, and the only church that truly feeds the soul, day in, day out, is the Church of Baseball.

by Mace Chutney on Aug 4, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who says we can’t have both when it’s all said and done?

What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.

by doubleh on Aug 4, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the Sopranos reference FM> If I wasn’t trying to watch the series over before this, I am now

Kudos to Gelb. I just hope he keeps his job and the proletariat doesn’t force him out of one

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 4, 2011 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Is it just me...

or has Gelb really gotten good recently, almost like he’s saying “F this, imma write what I know, and not worry bout the repercussions”?

25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!

by Joecatz on Aug 4, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

saying to yourself “fuck this fanbase, I’m not going to let them deter me from writing the truth” is a surefire way to win me over

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 4, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gelb

Seems to pirate SABR blogs and redistrubute to the masses.

I've tried 'em all, I really have, and the only church that truly feeds the soul, day in, day out, is the Church of Baseball.

by Mace Chutney on Aug 4, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm cool with that

In a way. Especially if he has the balls to tell all of Philly that Howard aint gettin more fastballs and pence doesn’t protect. I was kinda implying, though, that he’s been doing it much much more recently, almost like he’s found his voice.

25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!

by Joecatz on Aug 4, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not just you.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Aug 4, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Gelb is the bomb dot com.

Let's go eat...a triceratops. /velociraptor'd

by LeepinLizardz on Aug 4, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kyle Kendrick can doo doo but Jimmy Carter is smarter

by taco pal on Aug 4, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

That Dom HR was awesome. It would be nice if he was, oh I don’t know, still hitting in red pinstripes.

Welcome to the City of Brotherly Love, now GTFO

by Veni Vidi Vici on Aug 4, 2011 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone notice his swing was a little different? Usually he releases his left hand off the bat when he makes contact…this time he kept both hands on the bat and his follow through was roughly shoulder-high rather than above his head. Any idea what this does power-wise?

I haven't died. Right now I'm drinking a beer and eating fried chicken. What were you expecting, a funeral?- Yao Ming

by joetimek on Aug 4, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

So basically a Chase Utley swing? Keeping the bat in tighter means it will be moving a good deal faster. In physics, we call it conservation of angular momentum.

Time is not made of lines. It is made of circles. That is why clocks are round.
-Michael J Caboose

by TheOrangeCone on Aug 4, 2011 3:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Essentially. It looks like he used a lot more body than just arms and shoulders. Thanks for that explanation.

I haven't died. Right now I'm drinking a beer and eating fried chicken. What were you expecting, a funeral?- Yao Ming

by joetimek on Aug 4, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

we call it conservation of angular momentum.

You’re one of those people that doesn’t like to stick with just HR and RBIs, aren’t you?

Hunter Pence will not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither does Carlos Beltran.

by Bud in TN on Aug 4, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Screw your RBIs. In fact, to hell with all stats, sabermetric or otherwise. I’m getting to the heart of the issue here.

Time is not made of lines. It is made of circles. That is why clocks are round.
-Michael J Caboose

by TheOrangeCone on Aug 4, 2011 4:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh, I wouldn’t go that far. Angular momentum is, essentially, a statistic.

As are various measurements of muscle kinematics, hand-eye coordination and reflexes.

by Phrozen on Aug 4, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The animated .GIF thing is pretty funny. Joe Throwy, lol.

JOE TORRE. (interjecting) Yes, sorry, if we could please hold all questions until—
JOE MADDON. (interjecting) — was wondering whether we could see guys getting hit in the dong.
SELIG whispers in TORRE’s ear.
JOE TORRE. …yes. Yes, I can tell you that we have multiple .GIFs of dudes who straight up get hit in the nards.

What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.

by doubleh on Aug 4, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, it’s quality stuff. I remember watching that Randy Wolf one as it happened and thinking, “well, I’ve never seen anyone do that in a game before.”

by Cormican on Aug 4, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLBTR’s take on Rollins’ free agency… link

Celebrating over 50 years of slightly more Phils wins than losses: 1961-2011

by schmenkman on Aug 4, 2011 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Still worried, am I.

by taco pal on Aug 4, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Channeling your inner Yoda. I am, too, and the more I read articles like this the more I feel like dannijd.

What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.

by doubleh on Aug 4, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, nothing in the article is a surprise to me. Actually, it was somewhat hopeful in the sense that MLBTR estimates virtually the same amount we and others think it will take for J-roll to sign. That would work.

Remember, the RAJ comment was that he does not want “$20M players.” j-roll hopefully would want a lot less.

Could RAJ or J-roll miscalculate, given their egos? Sure.

Hunter Pence will not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither does Carlos Beltran.

by Bud in TN on Aug 4, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember, we need to put on a strong front in public. We can’t let her see us worrying about something, or else…

by FuquaManuel on Aug 4, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crap, you’re right.

by taco pal on Aug 4, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh noes

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Aug 4, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish someone would tell Evan Longoria that running out the groundout is faster than sliding into first base. Rays-Jays going to the top of the 12th in an absolutely NUTTY game.

A proud member of the Church of BaseBa'al

by WanderingMoses on Aug 4, 2011 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Grounder, not groundout.

A proud member of the Church of BaseBa'al

by WanderingMoses on Aug 4, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well it was a groundout.

by Phrozen on Aug 4, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cataldi was worse than usual this morning, going after Rollins for not running hard yesterday. Meanwhile, Victorino was given a pass on his recent baserunning adventures for being an ‘airhead’; Pence was praised for ‘playing the game the right way’. 610 is usually bad, but the thinly veiled racism today seemed noteworthy.

"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)

by bandwagonesque on Aug 4, 2011 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

No need to expand, really. It’s sad that he has been nominated for 2 Pulitzer Prizes.

What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.

by doubleh on Aug 4, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

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