The Good Fight: Phillies 9, Giants 2
by WholeCamels on Aug 6, 2011 1:55 AM EDT
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It had been brewing for awhile, but the building tension between the Giants and Phillies finally came to a head tonight in San Francisco, with benches clearing in the sixth inning after Giants reliever Ramon Ramirez drilled Shane Victorino in the back with the score sitting at 8-2 Phillies. Ramirez and Victorino, along with Giants catcher Eli Whiteside, who tackled Placido Polanco in the ensuing scrum, were ejected, and face likely suspension upon review by the League. Link to the video here! Also go here to Zoo With Roy for a handy .gif, and a nice photo of pube-head Eli Whiteside. Video after the jump, at least until MLB rips it off YouTube.
Victorino didn't take the incident very well, shoving the umpire in an attempt to get back into the pile. The exact origin of this particular beef is unclear, but it looked like Victorino flipped his bat after a solo home run in the fourth inning. In any event, the Giants were real mad for some reason!
So anyway, the game! Vance Worley had another great outing, going seven innings and allowing two runs, striking out six and walking just one. Giants starter Jonathan Sanchez was, well... Jonathan Sanchez -- 4.2 innings, seven hits, and five runs, including Victorino's solo shot, and a two run blast by John Mayberry Jr. in the fourth that put the Phillies up 4-1. Mayberry has truly emerged as a viable fourth outfielder of late, or a possible nice trading chip.
New Phillie Hunter Pence also went deep in the seventh inning, a long solo blast that made the score 9-2, where it'd remain.
Each Phillies' starter had at least one hit, including Worley. With the two hits, including the home run, off Sanchez, Victorino's OPS versus lefties is probably up around a jillion now.
With the victory tonight, the Phillies have guaranteed themselves at worst a series split, and with Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain pitching on Saturday and Sunday, it's nice to have those wins in the pocket.
Also: GIANTS ARE A BUNCH OF BUTTFACE SORE LOSER BUSH LEAGUE JERKS.
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McCovey Chronicles will see you all behind the flagpole at recess
by Lies and Perfidy on Aug 6, 2011 1:57 AM EDT reply actions
I'm going to do a sucker punch like Placido
glady whitey tackled him before Pablo does a gaby sanchez on palanco.
My brother knows karate!
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 6, 2011 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Soon You Will Be At Peace...
A proud member of the Church of BaseBa'al
by WanderingMoses on Aug 6, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that's what Sergio Romo was yelling at Victorino late in the brawl
I could be wrong though, it might have just been BRO BRO BRO BRO CALM DOWN BRO
by Lies and Perfidy on Aug 6, 2011 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I want to rage
Right. Now.
"He's a bum...this one stinks...this jerk can't play."-- A father teaching his daughter the Phillies lineup from the program roster, the Vet, c.1998
Como estan bitches...
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
by EREX21 on Aug 6, 2011 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This was like a baseball game directed by Michael Bay.
In any event, Hunter Pence has crawled up into my icy heart and nuzzled in there like a YouTube video of a cat hugging a bunny.
Also, here’s a gem by Stephen Colbert from today’s MLB Twitter takeover:
It’s about time we taught basic manners to baseball’s mascots. Philly Phanatic, put on some pants! #Colbert
"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews
by Senor Octubre on Aug 6, 2011 1:58 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
They also say that they’d rather play meaningful games late in September than be up 10 games in the division, so somehow this loss is a good thing.
"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews
by Senor Octubre on Aug 6, 2011 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, I shouldn’t generalize. One person said this. I just thought it was funny.
"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews
by Senor Octubre on Aug 6, 2011 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Every game is meaningful.
Winning gets you into the playoffs. If it wasn’t for the LOLadres last year, the Giants would had missed the postseason. They are just talking out their asses.
This game really didn’t mean much…the next 2 games are the ones that matter. I said before the series that it would be nice to get to Lincecum or Cain and tonight’s scuffle has only enhanced that thought.
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
I could care less what it means for them
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
maybe, not sure
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
The San Diego Padres
Seem like a good start.
… You said want, not expect.
by JamesFromPhilly on Aug 6, 2011 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The Padres
are only good for sucking. Can’t count on them for nothing. I wanted the Padres to win the last game last year for that 3 way tie but no they stunk up the place like the usual.
Pathetic Padres
You’re right about last season. They had a golden opportunity to make the playoffs despite having lost 10 in a row and they blew it.
by phillyinportland on Aug 6, 2011 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
You should. Bad as their offense may be, they’re a far more formidable playoff opponent than the Diamondbacks, and personally, I’ll always root for an easier playoff path for the Phillies.
Well, the Braves were pretty good last year. Not sure if they were definitely better than the Giants, but it wasn’t the obvious gap that the Giants vs. D’backs one I laid out above.
This year, incidentally, I’m pretty sure I’d root for the Giants — from a “root for the easier playoff path” perspective, I mean, because from an “I hate this team and want them knocked out of the playoffs” perspective, I’ll root for the Giants over the Braves 11 times out of 10.
I'm surprised that
Cody Ross didn’t throw his bat at anyone in the brawl.
He’s done it pretty much every other time I’ve seen him this year.
by JamesFromPhilly on Aug 6, 2011 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions
He's also done it pretty much every other time you haven't seen him.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 6, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, shit...
I already have the Mitch-o-meter ready for tomorrow….does this mean I have to change it to “East coast – West Coast Rapper fueds” or “BJ Penn opponents”
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
No BJ Penn opponets. I really like the sport but the MMA package is just garbage, down to crap rap/metalcore bands the fighters enter the cage to.
I was just kidding about changing it
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
It has something to do with this
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
If there was any doubt that the Victorino beaning was intentional it was dispelled by Whiteside’s little ‘I wanna hit someone’ dance. What a douche. Posey never would’ve done that. So he shoots at the legs of a man with bulging discs in his back and can’t take him down? Add on top that Polanco was obviously rushing to restrain Shane and seemed totally shocked that there was suddenly catcher attached to his calves. Well played Eli.
by FanSince1993 on Aug 6, 2011 2:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
couldn't agree more
Not only is he a bad catcher in the first place, he made that entire situation worse than it had to be, and is lucky Polanco didn’t turn his kidneys into jelly after he took his very bizarre dive. It will be compounded by getting suspended, and the Giants will be effectively catcher-less for 5 games or however many it will be.
And yes, Posey does what any good catcher does- gets in between the hit batsman and the pitcher and walks him down the 1B line.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 6, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Literally just saw this whole thing now.
And it makes me glad I was at last night’s game, and not tonight’s. Giants fans were generally a friendly and agreeable bunch, but a benches clearing brawl probably isn’t the best thing for opposing fans.
Really, really strange event, at least as far as I can tell. I know Victorino’s the most obviously hated Phillie, but it didn’t look like he obviously flipped his bat, and he didn’t lollygag around the bases. Would really like to know the motivation for the beanball, because if it was just a “We hate Victorino, and we’re down by 6 runs so now’s our chance!” situation, then I’ve always thought that was a pretty bush league rationale.
Jimmy Rollins stole second while up 6 runs. I bring that up because that has been the most theorized rationale I’ve seen. Call me paranoid, but up 6 runs in the 6th inning is not a time where you stop being aggressive.
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Never stop, never stop fighting till the fight is done. Here endeth the lesson.
by lpfist on Aug 6, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
So do I want the Phillies 32 year old, over worked, 7th among SS in WAR at 3.4 who has been bothered by a knee bruise to steal a base in the 6th inning of game with a 6 run lead against a team that has an offense tailored for low run scoring environments and is highly unlikely to stage a comeback. No I don’t esp. with the post season looming.
I do. If it’s the 9th, probably not. if it’s 19-2, definitely not, but 8-2 in the 6th is not the Mt Everest of leads.
The WE before the steal was a hardy 98%. After the steal it was still 98%. So that’s risking a possible out and injury of the one of the best defensive SS who is also batting well for piece of mind. I’m an advocate for the running game but in this stituation the risks outweigh the gains.
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I guess that just like with pitchers, my idea of an acceptable risk is higher than most others. Sure, that steal was unlikely to contribute to a win, but the sixth inning is a little too early for me to start slowing down.
I don’t think it violates any unwritten etiquette or is necessarily gratuitous, it’s just not the smartest play.
I love to watch it. as for the rest of it, i’m just going to have to trust that JRoll is a smart guy and doesn’t need a cone collar to protect him from his own self.
You make a good point. I think I agree, though not sure.
Although I must admit that after Jimmy walked in the 8th, I was hoping for him to steal there just as a giant FU to the SF bench. What’s the point of following the “unwritten rules” when the other team’s already beaned you? I wasn’t being 100% rational though, obviously.
I do think their was gamesmanship stuff going on with the steal. And more than just the flavorful yet subtle middle finger swagger. Gamesmanship can have more concrete strategic value beyond the psychological – namely testing Eli’s arm and looking for tells given the potenial for an post season show down. My reservations are rooted primarily in how Cholly rests his players in particulalr Rollins. If I felt confident Rollins would receive more consistent rest then it would allay my fears of a fatigue related injury.
I was hoping he’d get the day off today, since Utley, Howard, and Ibanez had all gotten off days this series, plus it’s a day game after a night game. But no such luck. It’s all 8 regulars today.
Maybe tomorrow?
I agree, they still have 4 more at bats…however, they have only scored more than 6 runs at home once this year in an entire game.
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
The past offensive output of the other team, no matter how futile, should not factor into whether or not you stay aggressive on the basepaths. And up 6 with the opponent still having 12 outs to work with, that is not the time to stop attacking. Now if it was a 16-run game, then yeah, don’t swipe 2nd, but 6 runs in the 6th? That’s too little, too early, and I’d be shocked if there are people that disagree with that.
Writer at SB Nation's Philadelphia Union blog, The Brotherly Game. Follow me on Twitter.
Did you miss the “I agree” part? I wasn’t justifying a retort, but rather pointing out their futility.
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
I was agreeing with you, just elaborating further. Sorry if it came across otherwise. :(
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....
I’m just not crazy about Rollins, who is still dealing with that knee bruise, to take the risk because we know Cholly " Elmyra " Manuel prolly won’t rest the him way he should even without the knee bruise.
1] Name the Transformer voice in the first link.
2] Determine Elmyra’s Pilayer Abuse Points
Jimmy Whimmy is my puppy wuppy.
3] Enjoy some Justice For Buttons
Correction. Sheesh
*I’m just not crazy about Rollins, who is still dealing with that knee bruise, taking the additional risk ….
Ever wonder what Eli Whiteside does on his off days?
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
and on the days he plays
he just plows Placido Polanco’s butt to the ground.
I thought it was Jeff Van Gundy
"He's a bum...this one stinks...this jerk can't play."-- A father teaching his daughter the Phillies lineup from the program roster, the Vet, c.1998
Well...
He certainly tries, but he doesn’t always succeed
by The Mad Hopper on Aug 6, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Couldn’t see PtB anywhere on the video.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Aug 6, 2011 2:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
supposedly
he left the bench and the beat writers are saying he’ll be suspended.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 6, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Correct.
Rules state that a disabled player can not enter the field for any reason during a game.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
ya i saw Oswalt in the MLB vid out there getting some action
"World Champions...World F***in Champions" -Chase Utley
He was out there, but not really doing much. Just sort of milling around on the outside. Cracked a smile at one point.
Did Rollins’ steal upset the Giants? “No,” Charlie Manuel said. “I think us hitting them upset them.”
Boom
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by JasonB on Aug 6, 2011 2:36 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Yeah It seems to be the Giants’ strategy to bean the Phillies whenever they can’t get the Phillies to stop hitting. I mean even after the brawl Schneider got beaned (probably unintentional) and they threw four straight inside pitches at Howard. All of this when there was on retaliation from the Phillies. With all this talk of baseball etiquette, the Giants have shown none.
Welcome to the City of Brotherly Love, now GTFO
by Veni Vidi Vici on Aug 6, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
CHARLIE BURN.
"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews
by Senor Octubre on Aug 6, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Pence’s slash since joining the phils:
.367/.394/.667
pretty fucking good… hoping that regression doesn’t kick in too soon.
His walking wouldn’t make everyone better by offering Pence-tection
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Aug 6, 2011 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
You can’t walk into people’s hearts.
Celebrating over 50 years of slightly more Phils wins than losses: 1961-2011
Pence runs in full speed… like he did tonight getting Shaners back.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Aug 6, 2011 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
vic's slash
against LHP this season, after last night….
.368/.478/.737 1.215 OPS, and a .368 ISO
Bautista is at .363/.500/.738 for a 1.238 OPS with a .375 ISO
no one else is even close.
25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!
Is Whiteside old or does he have light gray frosted tips?
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
He’s had gray hair since highschool. I think he’s in his early 30s.
by Lies and Perfidy on Aug 6, 2011 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
"Looks like he's still got his edge."
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Aug 6, 2011 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Keith Hernandez sickens me almost as much as Mitch Williams. Especially when he bashes his own player for being robbed of a hit.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
the line you're looking for here is
“No play for Mr. Gray.” And when he gets the letter from the commissioner’s office, there won’t be.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 6, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
“Your beard is weird”
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
Tell that to Brian Wilson. No one fears the beard when you sound like Zack Galifianakis.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
Giants fan here
god I hate Hunter Pence! Dude is good! Hopefully Timmy and Matt CAIN can find a way to stop him. I like this rivalry =)
I like the rivalry too. What’s the best guess as to why they threw at Victorino?
Celebrating over 50 years of slightly more Phils wins than losses: 1961-2011
In order of believability
3) Calling for a steal up by 6. Unwritten rules, etc.
2) Ramirez was wild and it was unintentional.
1) Everyone was angry and it’s Shane Victorino.
by Lies and Perfidy on Aug 6, 2011 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions
- is the only reason that makes any sense to me
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
I know this sounds homery, but it’s really not Bruce Bochy’s style. I don’t think I’ve ever seen the Giants throw at a guy when down by a lot.
Usually, we can rely on one of our pitchers to hit a guy by accident just fine.
by Lies and Perfidy on Aug 6, 2011 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you sure that isn’t Lies and Perfidy…
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Aug 6, 2011 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions
No, seriously, one of the reasons I picked this username is because it has a built-in out clause if I say something patently untrue. And I never get to use it!
by Lies and Perfidy on Aug 6, 2011 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree and I don’t think it was Bochy’s doing…but there can be no doubt that pitch was intentional and that fact was only cemented by Eli’s little tribal dance
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
Can you explain?
What’s with the whole “rectum face” thing. I just read the recap at MCC and I really don’t get the Victorino hate. Is he your version of Cost Ross?
by FanSince1993 on Aug 6, 2011 3:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In Tim Lincecum’s first start, Victorino was picked off trying to steal second. He went onto the infield grass to run into Omar Vizquel; Omar was called for interference and Mr. Face was awarded second.
by Lies and Perfidy on Aug 6, 2011 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember that
But really?! That’s all?
by FanSince1993 on Aug 6, 2011 3:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Giants fans alternate calling us classless and calling Vic names like rectum face. It’s another unwritten rule for SF that you can be classy and tastelessly immature at the same time, I suppose.
by EastFallowfield on Aug 6, 2011 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
immature no doubt
But cut them a break, there’s a lot of focus on that part of the anatomy in SF.
You could view it as a bit of a cultural difference…in fact, coming from a San Franciscan, “rectum face” could actually be the utmost in flattery. It’s a backhanded compliment, it is, and our Shane is a beautiful rectum face that was ready to choke a bitch last night.
FABULOUS. LOVE IT.
by delco_T on Aug 6, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
ChopMaster
you can suck it long and suck it hard, thank you.
might as well say something racist and go for the trifecta.
Continuous improvement through procrastination since 1973.
I don’t know what racism has to do with anything I posted.
All I can conclude is that my post was construed as homophobic, which was not my intent whatsoever. When I worked in the creative community, many of my co-workers were gay and there was much self-deprecating humor. Maybe that’s the kind of banter that should be kept within a personal network, not made public on TheGoodPhight, I don’t know.
Perhaps it’s a generational divide as well. I am old enough to remember my gay friends dropping like flies when AIDS first rocked the center city community. I am more concerned that I may have stepped on their memories rather than violated a sports blog’s boundary of acceptable speech.
No offense meant people.
If I had a dime for every time someone on a blog has suggested San Francisco is lousy with gay people, I’d be on a yacht getting drunk instead of in my mom’s basement reading this.
Anyway, if your second comment is serious, you might be interested in We Were Here, a recent documentary about the survivors of the AIDS crisis, 20 years later. It’s really excellent and pretty liberating for those of us who watched it unfold.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 6, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
can't access link right now, work blocked
but I will check it out later, thanks.
I do recall our sick friends being turned away from medical facilities because their personnel feared infection. That comfort and solace for those suffering was not easily obtained, save for some center city churches who ministered to the afflicted.
I didn’t realize that the SF gay meme was really that hurful, maybe like the Philly fan “D” battery shot is so played out and tired in these parts. My apologies to anyone dismayed by my comment. Now I must excuse myself because one of my deceased friends whom I referenced would be absolutely horrified at the condition of my shoe wardrobe, I have to go shopping to update…
I can relate to this in some ways. My mom worked in the fashion industry so her colleagues and friends were mostly gay. My dad skipped out on us for a good 12 years and being a single mom in the 70’s, her support system defaulted to her friends and co-workers which meant, I was raised, in part, by the gay community. It was awesome. How many 7 year olds listen to Grace Jones? I also know, well use to know, the entire Donna Summer song book. Disco, whadda gonna do. Still, I love my divas eventhough, I’m a death metal and hardcore fan at heart (that transition didn’t go down to well, esp. the hair experiments). Besides, as a zealot in the ranks of KISS Army, my lifelong love affair with Metal began.
My mom’s assistant / best friend was gay and we grew so close that she became an older sister, the sibling I never had. She and her partner, an artist, played an instrumental role in cultivating my creative and artistic sensibilities. They exposed me to art and a way of questioning the world that I might not otherwise been privy to given my family’s blue collar background. And such great music – from Coltrane to Prince to Kraftwerk and Devo but esp. Bowie. She was such a Bowie fan. Space Oddity, Star Wars, Ace Frehley and Silver Surfer = Sci-Fi geek molotov cocktail. I remember one Halloween, I went as a mummy but we designed the look after the harelquin costume Bowe wore for the Scary Monsters record. Another year I went as Elvis Costello.
Alot of my mom’s friends survived the indignities and the beatings of the Rizzo years. They were thick skinned and did not offend easily however, there were quite a few that, once the line was crossed, who ever was the guilty party, had better run for the fear of grievous bodily harm. Perhaps, as you said it’s generational. The written word often needs the proper context of consenting individuals for things operating on that level.
Lastly, I also remember those dark years too, the dread when the phone would ring at an odd time ….so many people, so many people I grew up around who helped shaped me – it’s was like a fucking warzone. As teen it was quite the reality check. Once I got my hands on my first Dead Kennedys record, the Reagan hate had a voice. A new world suddenly opened up to me. I don’t think you stepped your friends memories. AIDS is still killing people. A poignant reminder is necessary tribute. Awareness is evolution.
that’s pretty fucking funny
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 6, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
No, that's not all
And I’m not interested in finding it, but there’s a lot of “Arod slapping the ball out of the glove” level douche that exists. It’s not just Giants fans that find him an unconscionable douche, most everyone does. Also, his face looks distinctly like a rectum.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Can we call Buster Posey Rectum Knee?
Because that knee, Cousins sure rectum, haha.
I should go to McCovey Cove to tell that. That’s cool right? I mean, you’re here talking shit.
by JamesFromPhilly on Aug 6, 2011 5:12 AM EDT up reply actions
You mean his ankle? Still I’ve heard that they are a little emotional about it which is understandable to a point.
Talking shit?
You might be taking this too seriously. Anyways, it’s things like this that make other teams hate him, and you guys love him. It’s perfectly understandable if you take a minute to think about it rationally.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Yeah, Victorino will pull the odd play like that, and that’s certainly what makes him so hated by opposing fanbases. Maybe I’m biased, but I don’t think that was as much of a dirty elbow as Cerrone intimates — I think Victorino was trying to make any sort of contact with Reyes to draw an interference call, rather than actively try to elbow him.
Also, speaking of rectum faces, Cerrone… I mean, that guy just sucks.
I just can’t wrap my head around the hate for Shane. Usually I can understand why fans hate a player on a Philly (though sometimes i think they are wrong). But with Shane, I just can’t. He just seems like a regular baseball player. I never never see the so called douche things that he does.
Now the Giants are just filled with douches, started with Ross.
Eagles next starting QB: "East-West Shrine Game Legend" Mike Kafka
Flyers: Sigh
Phillies:Gah enough with the injuries!.
I can see it, sort of. It’s like there HAS to be hated player on a team like this, because they are so good. When you go down the list of starters, Howard, Utley, Polanco, Ibanez, are pretty hard to hate.
That leaves Chooch, Rollins, Vic, and the RF of the day.
Chooch is hard to hate too, really,
I think eventually Pence will get a lot of hate, but our other RF’s got enough hate from the Philly fans as it is….
So you’re down to Vic or Rollins. Rollins has a coolness to him, and Vic is kinda goofy, and plays HARD, so…
It’s Vic by default.
25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!
There's a lot of Utley hate at McC due to the ball tossing incident in the NLCS.
I, on the other hand, thought it was hilarious and it made me like him even more.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 6, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I definitely get the hate for Victorino. Does anyone really think he wouldn’t bug the crap out of you if he was on another team, let alone one of our rivals?
So I don’t get the hate for the “rectum face” thing. I honestly think it’s kind of funny.
by PhillyFriar on Aug 6, 2011 11:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. I really don’t have a problem at all for the hate.
I have some friends who absolutely hate Chase Utley because… well he’s pretty good. That’s it.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
it’s pretty clear that Utley leans into pitches to take the HBP; even did it last night in the AB right after the brawl (was it the first pitch?)
I can see people not liking that
Well, a lot of players hug the plate now. Difference is that Utley is a relatively quiet guy who does what it takes to get on base/win the game. It’d be one thing if he was obnoxious and flamboyant about what he does but he really doesn’t create much noise. He just plays the game, good or bad. I can see people not liking him because of the way he breaks up DPs and stuff, but no one brings up actual reasons for hating him… besides that he’s really good.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Well, a lot of players hug the plate now.
I have never understood why pitchers act like doing so is a horrible thing to do. The player is allowed to stand as close as he wants so long as he is still within the batter’s box.
Heck, when I played as a catcher when I was young, I deliberately stood as far back as possible to screw with the opposing catcher. I knew how much it pissed me off, especially if we had an ump who liked to crowd the catcher, so I did it to the other guy – as long as it’s within the rules, I’ll take every damn advantage I can get.
Bob.
Vic is viewed by many as a pretty dirty player, as is Utley. They both play hard and will do anything to get on base or get an extra base. Vic does it with a little more flair so I understand the loathing and it’s totally fine with me.
If someone hates you, it means you’re doing something right.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
But they HUSTLE! And have GRIT! Isn’t that the only thing that ever matters?
I can understand why they’re not universally loved, to be honest, but with Utley, it’s more of a reserved dislike. He doesn’t have a demeaning pet nickname or anything. Victorino, though, might as well be named Saddam Chih-minh Jong Hitler Stalin Pot Nero bin Laden for all the loathing that’s levelled at him.
Seems uncalled for.
It’s more creative than Dicktorino, that’s for sure.
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Anyone else get the feeling that the biggest grin on the field was Roy Oswalt’s? Looks like Roy likes some of that country feudin’.
by phillyinportland on Aug 6, 2011 3:03 AM EDT reply actions
I love Rob’s smile… like in Cinny last year:
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Aug 6, 2011 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Man oh man. Of all the pictures of Roy O I didn’t want to see is him running an excavator with the cab windows all open, no goggles, doing demo work. That can be a recipe for disaster.
Of course, I still envy the man like hell, and I don’t wear goggles in an excavator either, so whatever.
Funny you should say that. I think that he aggravated his lower back when he went to assist in the tornado recovery; both from lifting things (manually) he prolly shouldn’t have and extended hours operating the excavator – dozers and adult Tonkas are called “kidney breakers” for a reason.
Oh yeah. I loves me some operating when given the chance, but it is hard on my back—I can easily imagine him hurting himself that way. Especially given what a pitcher goes through in the normal course of business.
I knew a guy (I guess i still know him, technically) who was running a Cat 322 (medium-sized excavator) with the front window open and really no safety gear. He used the bucket to pick a generator off of a truck, the chain snapped and a link or fragment of a link hit him in the face. He’s blind in one eye, now.
They put those windows on those machines for a reason.
Is that Whiteside’s touch of gray on the ground?
by FanSince1993 on Aug 6, 2011 3:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Was anyone else nervous as hell when Bochy then put Guillermo Mota in the game of all people?
I was having flashbacks to this and, more vividly, all the Mike Piazza nonsense.
Does anyone have a link to whatever Tony Bruno said? I heard he called ramirez an illegal alien or something?
by FanSince1993 on Aug 6, 2011 3:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sorry, Tony, but I gotta give you a bum bum bum bum for that.
"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews
by Senor Octubre on Aug 6, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as I hate the Giants
I can’t bring myself to hate their fans. Why? I’ll feed you, baby birds. It’s just, McCovey Chronicles makes me laugh so hard. Can’t help it. Still hate Sanchez, though.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Aug 6, 2011 3:49 AM EDT reply actions
This.
While, as I said above, I’m glad I wasn’t at last night’s game, the Giants fans around is were very friendly and accommodating on Thursday. There’s bad apples in any bunch, but I haven’t found Giants fans to be a particularly obnoxious breed of fan, and as you said, McCovey Chronicles is too damn funny to hate Giants fans as a whole.
Now, the team itself has a bunch of guys that bug me, starting with Jonathan Sanchez, Cody Ross, and the recently added Orlando Cabrera, and now you can add Ramirez and Whiteside to that list. But that’s not a reflection on the fans.
by PhillyFriar on Aug 6, 2011 11:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
-8
…San Francisco’s run differential after last night. That’s not going to get it done, and Arizona is going to win the NL West.
Continuous improvement through procrastination since 1973.
Arizona will win the West? Ah shit. We might as well trade David Ross to the Giants, seeing that all Eli Whiteside does is bounce like Tigger.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
Well the Phillies have given the Diamondbacks two gifts so far this week. Gifts that the Diamondbacks have rudely rejected.
Welcome to the City of Brotherly Love, now GTFO
by Veni Vidi Vici on Aug 6, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
> Carlos Beltran didn’t agree with Rollins’ steal.
"You can ask Jimmy Rollins about that. I would not have done it," San Francisco’s new slugger said.<
Um, yeah, and that would explain alot about why the Mets are like 20 games out.
OMG Carlos Beltran is the worst person at shit-talking EVER.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Aug 6, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And, if I recall correctly, a number of Beltran’s teammates sided with Utley.
Yeah, what WC said.
by PhillyFriar on Aug 6, 2011 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, Beltran...
in order for you to be in that scenario, your team would have to first have a lead of 6 runs, and you would also have to be on base. Good luck with both of those things
by The Mad Hopper on Aug 6, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Hard to steal when you have no knees.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
By the way, what happened to Beltran’s arm? When Raul scored on him when the ball was hard-hit, that got my attention.
Yeah, IDK. Buyer beware on the NL team that opts to give him a long-term contract.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
That will be the Giants.
Brian Sabean’s M.O. is to wait until the useful years of a player are spent helping other teams, and then overpaying for multiple years so that Bochy can trot the player out while a better young player sits on the bench and learns gritty gamerness by osmosis.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 6, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
/chokes back a sob.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 6, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
wondering how Polanco's back held up
hoping he’s ok. if he’s not I think we can def expect more fireworks….if the Phillies weren’t upset about anything before, that’ll do it.
If they were up 6 and stole second, they and every sports talk guy and espn or mlb network would say good move keep trying to win. Phillies do it and we are shits so lets hit the guy that homer twice.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Aug 6, 2011 10:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
But you see the Giants are scrappy lovable underdogs™ who play for the joy of the game™ and win the right way™
Welcome to the City of Brotherly Love, now GTFO
by Veni Vidi Vici on Aug 6, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Is there any video of pictures of Doc giving someone a death stare?
I would be curious to see what he and Lee look like during a benches clearing push fest.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Not buying that Polanco was in there to fight
If he wanted to brawl, he would have pummeled Whiteside while he was failing to tackle him. Polly came in the break things up; it’s pretty clear to me.
yeah pretty much everything about Whiteside’s actions showed that he was trying to pick a fight. That or he was just hopping up and down because he really needed to use the restroom.
Welcome to the City of Brotherly Love, now GTFO
by Veni Vidi Vici on Aug 6, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
I agree with victorino, eli whiteside was the instigater in phillies giants brawl. No lie, eli deserves longest suspension
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mm hm.
Wait… but if Hymen said that I should believe the opposite right? I’m very confused.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Aug 6, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait… he’s supposed to be Asshole now instead of Hymen because Hymen is somewhat misogynistic right?
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Aug 6, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
? not sure what you’re saying. I’m personally gratified that many in national press believe whiteside was to blame. but obviously I (once again) brought up a taboo subject or ran over some sacred cow….so whatever it is, please accept my humble apology.
No it’s cool that they agree… Hymen is just normally wrong/making stuff up. But I guess even a broken watch…
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Aug 6, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
His below the waist tackle move definitely started the actual melee of it all. It was really friggin unnecessary as Polanco wasn’t charging to start a fight, he was charging to stop victorino.
How long of a suspension is Victorino going to get?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
I don’t know but I think he will get it for charging back in, not for his original objection.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Aug 6, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
4 or 5 games?
FWIW, We’ll have YayBerry in the field/lineup!
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
FOr the rest of the series
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by Fr. Orange and Black on Aug 6, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions
Francisco likely headed to the minors when Oswalt is activated
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
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"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
lol I was joking.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
I mean, slight exaggeration, but I find it interesting how many are willing to forgive Raul for his painfully slow start, while Francisco’s year at the plate has been derailed by a miserably low BABIP, and he doesn’t get any benefit of the doubt.
Raul is forgiven (by me) because his “miserably slow start” ended and he’s been hot. If i saw the same kind of production from Francisco I might feel differently about him. I just can’t get excited by what I haven’t seen.
So your response to an argument about BABIP and sample size is to insist on your right to remain pigheadedly ignorant. Great.
If Oswalt may be suspended (for being on field while on DL) would that affect activation? wondering if they will wait to see before taking that step?
I don’t think there is a chance this happens.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Aug 6, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably suspended for a game or 2. So yeah, it probably will if the suspensions are put in place today or tomorrow.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
but he can appeal and serve his suspension in between starts, so a non-issue
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
Francisco shouldn’t feel bad. The US economy just got sent down from AAA
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Aug 6, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
My cable guide says i get the Phils game at 4 on Fox (in the DC market) but im still worried ill get shafted and get the Sox/Wanks game instead…. anyone know of a coverage map or if the DC area will actually get the game?
Here you go. I do not know where in the DC area you are, but it appears as though DC itself is getting Phils-Giants today.
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thats awesome! i searched all over foxsports.com for that map. WTTG is fox 5 here in DC so it does look like we get it here. Thanks alot justin!
Interesting
My cable guide and the WTTG website both say they’re airing the Sox-Yankees game. Guess I’ll just have to turn it on to find out.
Comcast. Hopefully their listing is wrong. But the fact that WTTG’s website says sox-yanks too worries me.
yeah i just looked at that. i was thinking about visiting my parents (who have comcast in a diff part of fairfax), i may have to reconsider…. lol
I could be wrong, but I don’t think the carrier affects which game is shown. If it’s still WTTG it should be the same game, Comcast or not.
im pretty sure it is different. once it hits national broadcasts the rules change. think football games on sunday.
i forgot to include the assumption the different carriers are far enough apart in the region. aka southern maryland vs northern virginia.
My understanding is this:
I don’t think the carrier matters, just the station. WTTG is the DC Fox station. They decide their programming. Whoever the cable privider is (Comcast/ Cox/ Time Warner etc) has no say in what’s being aired.
Now, if you happen to move to a region which carries a different Fox station (say, WRLH Richmond) then this may affect which game you get because they may choose to air a different game.
So going to a region with a different cable provider would only have an effect if it causes you to be covered by a different local fox affiliate.
Lucky. Baltimore is getting the sox/yanks game. woopee
by Daniel Solomon on Aug 6, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I always get the shaft in Michigan
It's only gonna get funner
by VanceinmyPants on Aug 6, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but what does it matter to the O’s anyway? they’re 439856837265979159746397 games out of first
by Daniel Solomon on Aug 6, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Did anyone hear the Worley post-game interviews (both TV and radio)? Man, were they awkward. Especially the TV one with Sarge. That was mostly Sarge’s fault, but Worley is a quirky dude.
Jurrjens to the DL
link…they should have sold high
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
Interesting...
Madson activated, and Mathieson DFA’d….with an option left. Could have just been sent down, but they obviously want to free up space on the 40 man…
25.8/106 CURRENTLY HOT!!!
Well, that’s pretty much the end of Mathieson’s Phillies career.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Note: the comment 100 comments or so above about Francisco being optioned over Mathieson would not make sense until MLB determines what Vic’s punishment is.
I think the real complex part would be if Oswalt were suspended for being on the field while DL’d, and then how long the suspension would be. Can a player be replaced on the 25 man roster while in suspension?
Hunter Pence will not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither does Carlos Beltran.
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