All Good Things: Giants 3, Phillies 1
by WholeCamels on Aug 7, 2011 7:04 PM EDT
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The Phillies winning streak came to a halt at nine games, as Tim Lincecum pitched 7 2/3 solid innings to propel the Giants over a rusty Roy Oswalt by a score of 3-1.
The Giants battered Oswalt to the tune of 12 hits in six innings, but only managed three runs thanks to some poor baserunning, a heads-up play by Carlos Ruiz at home plate, and an overall lack of pop. Oswalt struck out four and walked two. Although his velocity was sitting around 91-92 for most of the game, the righty exhibited many of the problems he was having prior to his disabled list stint. While the Giants never had a "big inning," they had Oswalt pitching in trouble pretty much all day, scoring single runs in the fourth, fifth, and sixth innings.
The Phillies scored their first and only run in the third inning on a two out RBI single by Chase Utley, scoring Roy Oswalt from second base.
Hunter Pence failed to get a hit for the first time since joining the Phillies, going 0-for-4. Here I thought this guy was supposed to be good.
Ryan Howard went 0-for-4 and struck out three times. Three of Lincecum's five strikeouts game against the Big Piece.
Despite today's loss, the Phillies still took the season series from the Giants, four games to three, and await a possible postseason matchup.
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I only saw Oswalt’s last two innings, and obviously the 14 baserunners was… well, let’s go with “troubling.” But I don’t think it was a disastrous start: his velo was well up from what we saw in June, and he threw some good offspeed pitches. The problems were with command, which is probably what we’d expect following a layoff. Overall, I was at least sort of encouraged.
He was still hitting 91 late in the game. Hes a slow starter,always has been. As long as the velocity is there, he’s fine. I don’t care if we lose every game he starts between now and October, as long as he’s lights out by then.
But this is another reason (combined with the off days in august) why a six man rotation, like some have been suggesting is not only dumb, it’s borderline asinine.
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Sorry, iPad shorthand
There has been some chatter about going to a six man rotation to keep innings down for the postseason from the fan base.
As it stands, with a. 5 man rotation, every starter would get 3 games with 5-6 days rest between, and 1 on normal rest between now and the first week in September as it is.
Oswalt always needs a few starts to find his spots, and get his command back. But his velocity was still good at the end of the game, which is a great sign.
Basically, I’m not worried, and don’t care if it takes Oswalt five weeks to get into shape, as long as he’s ready by the postseason.
Did that do it?
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I think I understand. I don’t really see going to a six-man rotation as a patently unreasonable or asinine idea though. I think reasonable people can disagree on it.
At least in September, the Phillies ought to consider it, just because of the lack of off days. I know that’s not what you were referring to though.
Septembers a totally different story, especially after the first braces series, depending on where the standings sit. I was referring to theele who are calling for it NOW. With 6 weeks left in the season, and a ton of rest already built in to the next four times through.
Even september, though, you only have like 10 days of regular rest, and then another off day. But I’m not opposed to a spot start right before Atlanta if you want to keep them on five days.
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the only argument I’ve heard for a 6 man rotation that is somewhat interesting is to get the pitchers out of their routine. Halladay, Lee, and Hamels are all creatures of habit and you rarely have normal rest for the playoffs. I don’t know if I agree with it, but it is interesting.
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
Yeah, I'm not worried.
I didn’t expect that we’d win a game against Timmy with a pitcher that had a fairly long stint on the DL. He definitely showed rust, and it’ll probably take him a game or two more to really regain his command, but is there really a better time to do that with the lead the Phillies have?
If it means anything, we hit off Timmy today. Or, hit better then we have in the past.
We got the 4 aces for baseball, 3CBO in football, and the Russian Walls in hockey. Philly is no longer the blue collar losers, were primetime baby!
Good game, Lets eat
Not so fast
Seven hits and one earned run is better than they have done this season, but none of the hits went for extra bases.
The Phillies have hit Timmy better in the past:
NLCS Game 1, Six hits (including two doubles and two home runs) three walks, three ER,
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
I saw most of the game, and I agree with the first two commenters on Oswalt. His velocity was encouraging, as were several swing and misses. Just a little off on his command.
Granted the umpire not giving him the corners did not help either- there were a number of pitches today that were “balls” that really looked like strikes.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
I didn’t get to see game. Somebody tell me was Howard striking out on those obvious balls in the dirt by tim.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
if they were obvious, Lincecum wouldn’t have so many strikeouts… also, no, I don’t recall that his Ks were on balls in the dirt
I know people get annoyed with the strange viewing angles on ESPN, but Lincecum is one of those pitchers where I would love to watch him pitch from behind the plate- he completely mystifies batters, and I would love to see what they see.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 7, 2011 8:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I remember that camera. Catchercam or something. Terrible. Very shaky, and hard to see what was going on.
This is why my ideal camera would be fixed (probably built into the backstop or something) the angle of seeing what thecatcher sees would be great, but all of the jiggling from the catcher’s movements would make me seasick.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 8, 2011 8:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I mean obvious as in you just know the change up is coming. How doesn’t he try to guess by now and not swing just take.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Aug 7, 2011 9:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thing is, being able to tell a changeup is coming is very difficult with a good pitcher- the pitch is thrown out of the same armslot and with the same motion as a fastball- the only difference is the handgrip, making it very difficult for a hitter to know it is coming other than by guessing right.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 7, 2011 9:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He does guess. All the time. More times than not he is wrong.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
So are most hitters- thus why .300 is a good batting average.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 8, 2011 8:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
My point was that Ryan gets jumped on a lot for the strikeouts, and people (not necessessarily you) bring up that he is guessing wrong, but other hitters can go in there, strike out (or pop-up/roll over) all afternoon and they are not held to the same standard. I am sorry if I offended.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 8, 2011 9:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Three Ks, at least two were on dirt balls, but he did make contact in his last AB. Unfortunately, the contact went right to someone in the outfield.
were they balls in the dirt? I didn’t think so… maybe the first; the second was a fast ball, third was a tough changeup, not in the dirt… his flyout was a ball he knew he could have handled
First AB: struck out swinging on a slider. Curveball, slider, to a 2-0 count, then missed ball 3 (slider) fouled off a fastball, fouled off ball 4 (slider) missed ball 5 (slider)
2nd AB 3 straight fastballs. Swing, miss, swing.
3rd AB 5 straight change ups. Swing and miss, ball in the dirt, fouled off ball 2, another ball, and swung and missed on what should have been ball four.
So Timmy went junk in the first AB, got him to swing 2-0 at ball three, then he went aft a fastball and missed, and came back with junk again.
Then he totally F’d with him in the second AB by throwing him fastballs. He was late on the first one, caught the corner with the second, and got him to chase the third.
By the third AB Howard had no idea what was coming, and they went all change ups. Totally f’ed with his timing. He had no chance.
The fourth AB? Ryan looked at a fastball, and a change, and guessed slider on 2-0 and was right, but got way under it.
That was pure pitching folks. Pure get in the batters head and mess with his mind pitching.
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they aren’t obvious…they’re change-ups and damn good ones at that…however, at some point it would be nice to start looking off speed against Lincecum and stop making his job so damn easy. I have a FanPost coming where I charted every pitch that Lincecum throws against the Phils over the past few seasons and the results so far make me scratch my head.
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
Yeah, Lincecum’s change-up is really good. Some say it’s better than Hamels’, even though Hamels has been throwing it for way longer.
Looking change-up might be a good strategy. Is it necessarily that hittable if you’re looking for it? Will they be able to at least foul off the fastball if they’re not ready for it?
the thing that gets me is he only throws 40% fast balls and sometimes even less than that…plus, almost 1/3 of those fast balls are out of the zone…it is crazy. I don’t know how or how quickly he would adjust to a different approach, but it would be nice to make him adjust.
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
Some would say that the Lincecum we see now is already a result of adjustments, much as the Cole Hamels we see today is. Both went through a period of really having two strong pitches (fastball- changeup), then had a period of struggling, at least in the results department (probably not completely caused by only two good pitches), and developed a third good pitch (a slider for Timmy and a cutter for Cole). This third pitch has managed to make them even more devastating by adding to the bag of tricks- the more choices that are on the table, the harder it is to guess correctly what is coming in time to swing.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 8, 2011 8:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
See above
The way he used it against Howard today it was unhittable, because HE WAS looking change up the first two ABs. it’s all timing, and lincecum and Hamels change ups actually look like fastballs out of the hand, and then BOOM.
It’s all about when you throw em. He had Howard LOOKING for it the first two ABs. And he only got one. Bythe time he used it in the third AB, Howard was so messed up timing wise, he didn’t stand a chance.
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But before we get too mad at Ryan Howard, think about this...
Change the words “Tim Lincecum” to “Cliff Lee”, “changeup” to “curveball” and “Ryan Howard” to “the entire Nationals Lineup”, and you get Lee’s complete game shut out against the Nationals earlier this year- much more fun when you are watching someone else be made to look silly. Yes, Ryan Howard got fooled by Timmy, and it looked absolutely nauseating, but you do not get Cy Young awards in Cracker Jack boxes- you get them by being excellent- I for one tip my hat to Timmy.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 8, 2011 9:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It occurs to me that the two offensive performances vs. Cain and Lincecum in Philadelphia and the two offensive performances vs. Cain and Lincecum in San Francisco were pretty darn close to identical.
I think Charlie was using this as a rehab game for Lil Roy. I think (like a borg would konw) he left Roy in a bit too long but maybe just wanted him to get his pitches against big league hitters. Also Roy was being squeezed a bit in the strike zone, although ump was consistent about outside corner for both pitchers.
That said, Timmy had Ryan’s number. Sorry we lost, and although The Collective expressed a lot of frustration on game thread (but her that’s what it’s for – We think), realized we won the series, Lil Roy with big league intro. The Collective would be ecstatic if all Phillies series were won.
"We are the Borg. Resistance is futile."
not just a physical rehab, but a psycological one as well. going up against Lincecum? tough. but not a must-win.
Agree and as frustrating as it was for us. Given the number of hits off Roy O not many runs scored. So yes getting Roy into his playoff or bust mentality. I mean given the number of hits off Roy…not many runs scored.
"We are the Borg. Resistance is futile."
Roy got really lucky today- double plays (loved Rollins jumping OVER Panda), Chooch’s two tags, and slow Giants baserunners kept this game from being much worse.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 7, 2011 8:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he got unlucky too. not saying he wouldn’t have given up a lot of hits in any case. but his BABIP today must have been far above average.
That it was- his BABIP was .500 (12 balls in play fell in for hits, while 12 more were turned into outs (2 of them into double plays). This number does suggest a certain amount of bad luck on balls in play. The San Fran lineup also seemed to really figure him out- on their first run through the lineup (up until the first out in the third, they had 3 hits, two on ground balls that found holes and the ground rule double fly ball. After the second inning, Oswalt would induce only three more ground balls, two of them on bunts from Lincecum. Meanwhile, all of the line drives came in the third or later (6 line drives, all of them falling for hits). While there were only two extra base hits for the Giants today (both ground rule doubles), they were hitting the ball well in the late innings.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
By the way
It seems as if Chase Utley is 4 games away from tying the organizational all-time 2B record:
Sherry Magee was actually a damn good baseball player. sort of a deadball era Bobby Abreu, although he was probably a better fielder, considering that he filled in a shortstop and second from time to time. his 1910 season was amazing: a .331/.445/.507 would be impressive in any year, but the league average in 1910 was all of .256/.328/.338. some folks have argued for him as a Hall of Famer; I don’t know about that, but he was definitely a great Phillie.
(and yeah, I know: joke = killed!)
by perfectdepth on Aug 8, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Bring back BAEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW!
"We are the Borg. Resistance is futile."
by Borg_Queen on Aug 7, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah KK should get the start rather than Oswalt in the playoffs…
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Aug 7, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The Gut clashed with the Book again
Javier Lopez comes into the game with 1st & 3rd and 2 outs in the 8th…
GG: “Hey Chuckles, don’t you think we should counter with Francisco?”
Charlie: "Who’s that?
GG: “Ben…Ben Francisco…as in right handed hitter off the bench.”
Charlie: “Nah…like, Raul, like…he’s been swinging the bat real good.”
GG: “Did you not get that Joecatz fanpost I sent you?”
Charlie: “Cats…I hate cats…damn GG, like pay attention like to the game.”
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Aug 7, 2011 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
playoff percentage must have dropped from 99.95% to 99.94%…panic time
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
by DirtyWaters on Aug 7, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
next series
Phillies @ Dodgers
Braves @ Marlins
Brewers @ Cardinals
Giants vs. Pirates
D-Backs vs. Astros
ESPN decided to go with Angels-Yankees on Wednesday Night Baseball, instead of Brewers-Cardinals.
Tue: Marcum vs. Jackson
Wed: Wolf vs. Lohse
Thu: Gallardo vs. Westbrook
Interesting matchups- considering the tight nature of the race and the events of the last series, it will be interesting to see if the series can be handled without peacekeeping forces.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 7, 2011 8:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bad decision on ESPN’s part- where is the rule that states the Yankees/Sox have to be on there a million times a season?
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 7, 2011 8:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
unfortunately the rule is called ratings
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
Fuck Boston
and ESPECIALLY fuck the Yankees.
Then again, we don’t have to deal with those idiots.
T-Mac and Wheels might suck, but at least they’re OURS.
Hope springs eternal? I would really love national broadcast rules for baseball that were more similar to the ones that exist for football, limiting the number of times the Yankees, Red Sox, etc. could be the nationally televised games, and giving some of the other teams a chance.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 8, 2011 9:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So it would take an extremely unlikely confluence of events, but we could theoretically see a playoff without Atlanta or San Francisco? The standings for second would have to look like this:
Milwaukee
Arizona
St. Louis
Atlanta
San Francisco
"What's gonna happen is that you jerk off the ball. You almost want to let this guy here jam you, and if it comes, it comes." Gary 'Sarge' Matthews
by Senor Octubre on Aug 8, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
or
Arizona, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Atlanta, SF
St. Louis, Arizona, Milwaukee, Atlanta, SF
Arizona, St. Louis, Milwaukee, Atlanta, SF
Milwaukee, St. Louis, Arizona, Atlanta, SF
St. Louis, Milwaukee, Arizona, Atlanta, SF
any of the above with Atlanta and SF reversed
Milwaukee, St. Louis, Atlanta, Arizona, SF
St. Louis, Milwaukee, Atlanta, Arizona, SF
The Collective can’t complain about Timmy. He is a good pitcher and threw well tonight. When he was not pitching at CBP,he was signing autographs until they pulled him into the visiting club house.
"We are the Borg. Resistance is futile."
Yeah, he’s one of the best. Sure, I’d have liked a sweep, but honestly, I’m not surprised at the loss. Still, if anything, our offense has demonstrated that it can, in fact, win at AT&T.
Also, we outscored them 24-14 this year…that’s pretty impressive.
Yes. I think Charlie looked at it like a Roy O rehab game. Tim was really good and for a while Roy O matched him. Though Roy O was either trying to get the ump to give him a corner or ump was squeezing Roy. While I cannot tolerate Wilson, I do like Tim. He always seems gracious to fans and I care not if partakes in REEFER MADNESS. LOL
"We are the Borg. Resistance is futile."
I love Timmeh. I want one.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Aug 7, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I have liked him a bunch since his Big Time Timmy Jim Espn commercial… and, you know, he’s an awesome pitcher.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Aug 7, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
several friends of mine have crushes on him, enough so that i found it perplexing at first. then it dawned on me. he’s an athletic joseph gordon-levitt.
Mitch Kramer from Dazed and Confused
Proof:
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Aug 8, 2011 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
where’s my frat paddle?
"Have you seen this Perez guy pitch? I'm a pacifist, but I've never seen anything so violent look so beautiful."
Definitely- I had said coming into this series that I would be happy with a split.While I am a little disappointed that they lost, I am overjoyed with the outcome of the series as a whole.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 7, 2011 9:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I do respect Timmy’s abilities. He keeps it up a few more seasons, he’ll go down as a great pitcher. I just wish we could hit him, dammit.
There is a book on him. It’s called let him throw pitches. But no one seems to want to follow it…
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
LOL
you realize that of the 33 batters Lincecum faced last night, we only swung at the first pitch 7 times, and 5 of them were from Pence and Howard, right? They were being pretty patient.
Our guys looked at the first pitch 10 times, and looked at the first 2 pitches 15 times.
12 were called strikes, he evened it to 1-1 8 other times, and only got behind 2-0 5 times all day. Rollins walked once, Howard K’d once, and we swung 2-0 and put the ball in play the other 3 times.
We let him throw pitches. He just basically threw mostly REALLY GOOD ONES.
25.8/106 "Winter is coming" -Eddard Stark
Thanks for checking that out- I can’t check pitch sequences on AtBat, and thought I did not remember a ton of first pitch swings from the less swing happy portions of the lineup.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 8, 2011 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no, impossible!
The Phillies are the ONLY TEAM that hasn’t solved Tim Lincecum!!!
http://www.thegoodphight.com
Missed the game after the first inning… not bad, all things considered. Oswalt throwing 91-92 is a good sign, and like Joecatz said, I think he’ll get his command back after a couple tarts.
Plus the 3-1 series win is a good omen, I think. Shows we can beat San Fran, now that we have Pence, of course. I can’t even imagine how one-sided this series would be without him.
Or nubile tarts.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Aug 7, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Tom Wolfe (I think in Bonfire of the Vanities) described “Lemon Tarts” as well as the “Bottomless Pitt” in one of the great set pieces he could write. The book as a whole didn’t really do it for me, but the vignettes could stand on their own.
Motorhead: \m/ \m/
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Aug 7, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Aug 7, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Oswalt’s average fastball was 92.6 last year. It was 91.2 this year before he went on the DL.
So if he’s averaging, say, 91.5 right now, he still has a ways to go before he’s fully back. Not saying it’s anything to be worried about, but his velocity isn’t where it needs to be yet.
I have no idea what he averaged today, but I picked up on him hitting 92 a number of times.
Good point, though, if his velocity is still diminished, he isn’t “fully back” yet, pun intended.
Were you watching on TV or play by play on AtBat or Game Day?
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
I listened to the first couple innings (I guess I lied earlier) on At-Bat radio, then had to go outside in the snow. SNOW! FOR CRISSAKES! You ever watch Ice Road Truckers? I’m at Atigun Pass right now.
Anyway, I heard Franzke and LA talking about Oswalt hitting 92 quite a bit, how it was a good thing.
I asked because I know that the TV showed it as 92, but AtBat was showing a lot of pitches that rounded up to 92 (91.6, etc.)
Snow- in AUGUST?!? Does it ever stop?
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
Oh, sure. Atigun is at about 3,000’, which coupled with being almost 200 miles north of the Arctic Circle means it can snow here anytime. Usually doesn’t stick, though, and I’d be surprised if it’s not gone by Tuesday.
I wasn’t actually looking at At-Bat, just listening, so I can’t vouch for what it showed on the screen.
Not only are they slow
but we are spoiled with fast working pitchers
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
They all take pitches. I think it’s great. Smart baseball. Though sometimes a first pitch swing isn’t a bad idea if that’s all your gonna see. Sometimes being aggressive pays off.
It’s more than that though. Their pitchers seem to take forever to throw a pitch, and the batters tend to step out of the box more often.
I’m not saying it’s a bad baseball, but man is it irritating to watch sometimes.
it’s gamesmanship stuff. Neither side will let the other determine the pace of the game. How much it helps you win I don’t know. It’s kinda rough on the fielders I’d imagine.
Yeah, I understand completely why they do it. But that doesn’t make it less irritating when theres over a minute between pitches. It also doesn’t help that I’m annoyed that the Yanks/Sox game is on again in the first place.
Technically the pitcher only gets 12 seconds (I think) by the rules. Don’t think they enforce that one bit.
I gotta admit that I like watching their games. Yeah it’s overhyped but the games are always intense.
It is 12 seconds, but the time does not start until both sides are ready (pitcher has the ball, and the batter is in the box ready for the pitch). Thus, it is really hard to get to the point where the rule engages, as batters seem to step out of the box if it is more than a few seconds between when they get in the box and the pitch is thrown
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
And I forgot the other kink in getting it enforced- it only applies when the bases are empty.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 8, 2011 10:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah it drives me nuts too. Not to mention, what is the one thing the non-fan will say about baseball? That it’s too boring / slow. It’s no wonder theyt feel this way, because all they ever see are the Yankees and the Red Sox. Maybe if ESPN ever showed a game with other teams they might actually have a shot of growing popularity.
well the phillies are tied for 7th in walk rate. I’m actually surprised how many NL teams are at the top of the rankings. I’d have thought the DH would have a greater effect. I guess the math seems to work out that having pitchers hit only decrease the team BB% by about 0.05. Anyone know where you can get team stats for things like length of game, pitches/AB, pitches/G? I looked but couldn’t find it. Somehow I doubt that ‘they take more pitches’ is the explanation for why their games seem to take an extra hour.
The league avg is 3.79 Pitches per PA.
The Red Sox – 3.98 Pit/PA
The Yankees – 3.92 Pit/PA
When you combine those I think your going to add more time to the game. Plus the time in between pitches.
I haven’t timed the pitchers in between pitchers but it seems like each team pitchers’ take a bit longer in between each pitch than other teams.
I would love to see how long the pitchers take that qualifies as time under the rules- could the problem in the Red Sox/ Yankee games be as much with trying to get the batter in the box and ready to go as the pitcher taking his time to actually throw the ball?
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
Personally I don’t think batter should be allowed to leave the box.
With the Yankees and the Red Sox I think it’s the combined effect of taking more pitches and more time in between pitches by both batter and pitcher.
I’d allow the batter to leave, once, between pitches. So after a swing, he could readjust his gloves or whatever if necessary. None of this constant stepping out crap.
Although if that rule was put in place at Phillies games, Doc and Cliff would have us out in 90 minutes or less!
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
You act like that’s a good thing!
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 8, 2011 10:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was in and out during the game but it seemed like there was alot of first pitching swinging against Swalty. Was Ruiz just calling first pitch fastballs all game?
20 out of the 30 batters oswalt faced to be exact. Strangely though, only 10 of those 30 swung at the first pitch, and only 4 of them were fastballs. That included Lincecums botched bunt attempt.
25.8/106 "Winter is coming" -Eddard Stark
buster o practically orgasming over yankees/sox game. does he think he’ll be able to hang out w/ the cool kids if he kisses their collective ass enough?
Re: BoSox/Yankees radio
I was listening to that game on the radio while dealing with my Annual August Tomato Overload (making sauce). The ESPN crew (Sciambi, actually) actually started talking about BABIP and fangraphs. I should have been warned about that, since I think part of my thumb is still in the sauce. I was shocked to hear a mainstream broadcast get so saber-y. I loved Miller (on the tv broadcast and for radio playoffs), but he’d never go down that route. I may tune in more on Sundays if they keep it up.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Aug 7, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Fox even uses slugging percentage on their graphics now for hitters
It’s an older stat to be sure, but it is certainly a step in the right direction for them. Especially as I always had them pegged as less SABR-y than ESPN. At least some ESPN personalities would try on occasion to bring in SABR stats.
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most of the fantasy analysts use SABR stuff now, which I like
by phillies0100 on Aug 8, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you see about Daniel Murphy?
Season ending knee injury when he got spiked by the Braves’ 4th OF Constanza. Really, really sad to hear about this. Even the players I don’t like, I never want to see a guy get hurt.
It’s a real shame and I hope he recovers soon. Seriously, the look on his face was pretty upsetting, he was in an obscene amount of pain. :/
by JamesFromPhilly on Aug 7, 2011 11:03 PM EDT reply actions
The Mets have had a tortured several years now. What did the Wilpons do that bought them so much negative karma? Since 2007, it’s pretty much been one thing after another. The Phillies have gone through periods of suck, but it’s getting to the point with the Mets that I would start to expect hangnails to turn gangrenous in the clubhouse.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Aug 7, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Just to add insult to the torture
Jose Reyes is having problems with his hamstring again, experiencing tightness in the same one that sent him to the DL last month.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
Strained hamstring for Reyes- Mets are trying to decide what to do with him.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Aug 8, 2011 1:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just watched on re-play
Ouch that play is just a shame. Sources are saying that he suffered a grade two tear of his left MCL. I wish him all of the best as he works to come back from this injury, and hope that he is back at 100% to start next season.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
At least it wasn’t his celebration finger.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Aug 8, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Reply fail to Reyes posting above.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Aug 8, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Four-game series success
There are three more four-game series scheduled this season: at Cincinnati, end of August; at Milwaukee, in early September; and at home against St. Louis 9/16-9/19. Another 3 out of 4 win against the Giants brings the team’s record to 20-4 in six four-game series this year.
by phillyinportland on Aug 8, 2011 4:31 AM EDT reply actions
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