Some Phillies Links For You, September 12, 2011: Almost Perfect, Vance to 'Pen?, Home to Houston
Club could clinch division title in Houston
From Todd Zolecki. How appropriate would this be?
Would You Rather: Diamondbacks or Brewers? | NBC Philadelphia
I don't think I have a preference here, as I think these series are way to hard to predict.
Brewers’ end skid and help psyche
"We realize we can play with them," Brewers right fielder Corey Hart said. "It’ll prepare us for later on."
He actually said this?
Vance Worley likely headed to the bullpen in Phillies' postseason
WIP phone lines blowin' up.
No Easy Answers In Race for Cy Young | Philled In
So it'll come down to the last few weeks. OK.
Oswalt, Pence will have homecoming in Houston
The Homecoming Dance is a stressful time of year for any youngster. Asking a friend to go with you, and hoping she'll be more than a friend? It's dicey. Best of luck to them.
What Would Howard Have Gotten? | Brotherly Glove
The last sentence features the most important takeaway: The Phillies operate on a different financial plane than all but a very few number of organizations in baseball. Even if it goes bad, this deal won't "cripple" the franchise the way something like the Vernon Wells deal did.
Centennial anniversary: Pete Alexander-Cy Young showdown
Whoopsie, this is a few days old but still cool, and involves Phillies great Pete Alexander.
Braves swept again, wild-card lead to 4-1/2
Oh mannnn delicious.
Brewers get back to playing like themselves
Please tell me that's his real name. Please tell me that's his real name.
5 questions with Sam Perlozzo | Cincinnati.com
My man was also third base coach for the Champion 1990 Cincinnati Reds.
EASTERN LEAGUE: New Hampshire downs R-Phils to take playoff series
Ahh well. Nice run, fellas.
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Too cute!
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Sep 12, 2011 8:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I really hope he goes by Mike.
Also, did anyone else see/hear/read that the Mets wanted to wear FDNY/NYPD and other first responder hats during their game last night MLB told them no.
Personally, if I were the Mets I would have done it anyway, but that aside, it is once again more proof that Major League Baseball just does not get it it. This was an opportunity to reach out to the fans a little bit without having to really do anything at all and they blew it. There is a reason baseball popularity is no where near what it was and it’s for simple things like this. It’s really sad.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
It was all over Twitter last night. Apparently the league threatened them with huge fines if they did it, so they didn’t. I think if was really put of line for the league to do that. It would have been a great way to show unity and support for the first responders, some of whom made the ultimate sacrifice ten years ago yesterday. Even the NFL (famous for botching crap) got this right!
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Sep 12, 2011 8:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Mets should have called Selig’s bluff. No way he gives them a huge fine, it would be an absolute PR nightmare, and for the Mets it would be a huge Marketing plus with the citizens of NYC that they still did it knowing it would cost them, because supporting the NYPD and NYFD is more important than money. They’re idiots for not doing it anyway.
I read that the caps were actually physically confiscated from the team prior to first pitch.
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by WholeCamels on Sep 12, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
So…whether or not a bunch of players wear special hats is important but an owner systematically raping/pillaging an historical franchise is OK?
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Selig remembers where he came from. The next generation of franchise looters must be allowed to operate unfettered.
Bob.
by The Dark on Sep 12, 2011 12:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But if they do it for 9/11, then someone would want to do it for Memorial Day…and Flag Day…and Shane Victorino Hula Skirt Bobblehead Night…and it would be CHAOS, MAN!!! Civilized society would end! Cannibalism! Anarchy! Unnatual acts!! AAAAGGGGHHHHH!!!!!
Seriously, MLB, get a grip.
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 12, 2011 8:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
On on hand, I agree it’s totally petty micromanagement from MLB; what do they lose by letting the Mets where those hats?
On the other, after having watched a full day of football (and, specifically, football commercials) yesterday, I could maybe use a break from the uncomfortable sight of companies exploiting 9/11 as a marketing tool.
Very true. Piazza’s home run is arguably the most memorable sports moment in the immediate 9/11 aftermath.
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by WholeCamels on Sep 12, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely true. It wouldn’t have bothered me seeing them in FDNY hats or anything like that. At least they represent New York. It definitely bothered me watching reebok (and Hyundai, and Hooters[!], and Verizon, and Bud) using 9/11 as a tool to sell more products.
by TMcAllister on Sep 12, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was an unwise decision in the sense that it predictably drew a lot of unnecessary heat on themselves that could have been avoided, but I didn’t really have big of a problem with it either. It’s just a hat. And I think it could be just as easily argued that baseball’s popularity is held back more by the opposite – because it has too much Americana and apple pie and tradition and tameness, and not enough subversion or cool. Not that what MLB did was “cool” either.
I agree with the notion that America is too apple pie but I think the bigger picture is that Major League Baseball just seems unwilling or unable to recognize what is good for the game, and what the fans are looking for.
In a vacuum this hat thing isn’t a big deal. But it’s because it isn’t a big deal that the MLB should have just allowed it. It was for one night. It would have made people happy, as well as said but it was one night and that’s it.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
As someone who was in NYC on 9/11
I have to chime in on this and say that at some point it has to be a day about perspective, and not anything else. That day was as horrible a day as any I wille very experience, but at some point it’s time to move on. I don’t disagree with the decision, but at the same time, its something that didn’t need to be broadcast over twitter either.
At some point it becomes overkill too. Example. I live in florida now. I went to my local supermarket yesterday, and in the bakery section they had cakes decorated with the4 FDNY logo on them.
IN FLORIDA.
I can think of nothing less apealing than sitting down to dessert with my family and celebrating 9/11 with a cake. It’s kind of the same thing with the hats for me, and its hard to really explain other than saying you had to be there that day to really understand.
I hope this doesnt come off as arrogant, cause thats not my intention, but more NYers and people who lived in NYC and where there that day feel like this than you can imagine.
25.8/106 "Winter is coming" -Eddard Stark
There isn’t a whole lot I can say to this because you were there, and I was not. And I certainly recognize that that gives us two very different perspectives on the event. I suspect however that how you feel is probably indeed how the majority of people in that area feel about the event, the aftermath and everything that has come since. Myself, I try and avoid the 9/11 topic at all costs. I refuse to see any of the movies made based on 9/11 and I did not watch a single second of coverage yesterday. Not to be disrespectful, or to act like I don’t care but like you said, at some point you have to move on.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to belittle or take away from anyones reaction to the event, or their own personal story, fellings, etc… That would be very jerky of me, or anyone who was there that day. It was definitely something that affected everyone.
That said, whenever it comes up, and someone knows I was there, and makes me tell them what it was like to be there, they almost feel obligated to give me their reccolection,
“I was driving to school on the Howard frankin in Tampa, and I turned around, and was so scared we were next b/c you, know, MacDill AFB is in Tampa…” Something like that…
I appreciate their story, but I don’t need or want to hear it. It’s very hard to explain.
I was the same way yesterday. I couldn’t get away from it as hard as I tried, and for me, the only thing that makes this year any different or special is that we got Bin Laden, and strangely, I didn’t hear that mentioned once, by anyone, anywhere.
Every year I’m reminded of that day, on the anniversary, and every year I kiss my kids a little longer, and hug my wife a little stronger, and pretend to tell myself I’m gonna do everything I can to be a better dad, husband, brother, son, frined and person, and not take things for granted. That usually lasts for a few days before life catches up.
This year I do want to try and be consciously better.
Thanks E.
25.8/106 "Winter is coming" -Eddard Stark
Wow. A 9/11 cake? How crass.
This is why 9/11 should never be a holiday.
As the years and decades go on, it would become nothing more than an occasion for a three-day weekend and a barbecue. Personally, I’ve never been fond of the day off for Memorial Day weekend, either. Those we’re supposed to be remembering deserve more than a country full of people heading for the shore or celebrating a three-day weekend.
I’m fond of days off and three-day weekends and barbeques regardless of when. But you make a good point.
me too, but for the right reasons, ya know? I remember it well enough (and will forever) that I don’t need the news to relive it every year, or for sports teams to remind me how shitty that day was. Show the memorial opening, cool. dedicate 4 hours of coverage to real time images of the disaster every year? not necessary. Remember, reflect, move on. Thats just me.
Granted, its a little more personal for me, but I couldn’t bring myself to book a trip to Disney world to celebrate 9/11 with the kids, cause they got a 3 day weekend, or go to the beach. That woud be wrong on so many levels for me.
25.8/106 "Winter is coming" -Eddard Stark
THIS
times a million. Not to get too off topic, but thats exactly what my wife said when we saw the cake. “Cakes are for celebrations and Holidays. Why would we celebrate today?”
Thats my big fear too, and why I kind of agree with MLB’s hat decision. No need to glorify. It’s not like we celebrate Pearl Harbor day every December 6th. I would hate to see yesterday turned into some kind of celebratory event EVER.
25.8/106 "Winter is coming" -Eddard Stark
I agree, but I really do see it becoming a national holiday at some point, which is just so sad.
It is such a fine line between solemn remembrance and commercialization. The needle moves too quickly.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Unfortunatley, so do I, and I really hope we’re both wrong about that.
It’s funny. In the days and weeks that followed in NYC, that was the biggest complaint. On September 10th, there was no sense of patriotism anywhere. By the 12th, Flags were flying everywhere, which was cool.
By the 13th, every street vendor was selling flags, and flag pins, and pictures of the buildings, and you’d look to your left and see a flyer on a powerpole, or in a shop window of a family, with “HAVE YOU SEEN MY DADDY” and you wanted to just punch the SOB selling the flags and the pictures and the pins.
I saw one guy go up to one of the vendors and turn his table over. The guy said “What gives you the right to try and make money of this tragedy?” the vendor says “I’m not trying to make money, I’m trying help people show support” and the guy said “then give em away!” and started handing flags and pins to people. It was ugly.
25.8/106 "Winter is coming" -Eddard Stark
Yeah, and it’s not like the country was ultimately brought closer together by the tragedy. Maybe at first, but in the long run, if anything, it’s become more divisive than ever. What really chapped my ass is when politicians used 9/11 to promote their campaigns.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I would hate to see yesterday turned into some kind of celebratory event EVER.
To me, I think there’s a minor distinction in that the Mets would be celebrating the Bravery/Heroism of the Police and Firefighters. I don’t find that offensive, and frankly it would be nice for them to get a Holiday (not 9/11, per se, but a day on which we think of Police and Firefighters as something other than the jerk who gave me a ticket and the guys in the big trucks).
I’ve always thought that Memorial Day should be “expanded” to include non-military civil servants who have been injured or killed in the line of duty (cops, firefighters, etc).
I think everyone can agree that a bakery selling FDNY cakes is pretty much the definition of exploitation…I was also kind of peeved at all the “never forget” commercials from various companies. (Anheuser-Busch, Southwest, Verizon, etc..) Most of the commercials on their face were well done, see Bud Clydesdales, but I just feel they are exploiting 9/11 even if they throw in the standard fundraising info at the end. What exactly was their message with these commercials?… We will never forget about this horrific tragedy. Buy our product and if you like our product or this commercial, please donate money to this fund to help the actual victims… How about instead of using money to exploit 9/11, these companies give that money to the charities themselves?…just a thought
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I remember several years ago (2006, I think), there was a commercial that was very well done. Black screen, white text, “Let’s take a moment of silence to remember…” Then after 20 seconds or so, the name of the company (IBM?) appeared on the screen. That was it.
Let’s take a moment of silence to remember…and after that moment of silence, consider purchasing our IT solutions for your business
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Well, yeah, but they didn’t mention IT solutions, purchased or otherwise, or anything else. They filled 30 seconds on national TV with a dozen words and a black screen.
Compared to all the other ones out there, that’s one of the best and least exploitative.
of course they didn’t mention that, but when they put IBM on the screen at the end they are implying it….the only way I’d be even somewhat okay with any of these commercials is if at the end it said something like…“IBM will be donating X amount for every product sold over the next year to XYZ charity benefiting the victims and their families.” Now granted, this would still be exploitation, but it would actually benefit the aggrieved.
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It’s the “you’re noticed by your absence, not your presence” kind of thing. I agree with the exploitation thing personally, but for some folks, they want to see their favorite products/entertainers/whatever say something/do something in remembrance. I don’t get it, but then I think a lot of this stuff reeks of egocentrism and a “look at me and at how patriotic I am,” much like those who are a little too fervent in their religious beliefs. It’s as if EVERYONE was trying to outdo one another on Twitter/FB yesterday. Me, I complained about the apparent lost art of tackling in the NFL. Of course, I’m then viewed as the insensitive one.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
I should clarify that if the bakery is donating proceeds from the cakes to help FDNY victims and their families…It would still be a little weird in that cakes are meant for celebrations, but I’d be more okay with it
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Did anyone see Bill Conlin’s recent column/article about Chuck Lamar? The one thing Conlin’s actually good for is getting the scoop on matters like this, and he strongly implied that Lamar quit in protest for not having a big enough development budget.
I don’t know if it was the hurricane, flooding, the Phils sweep of the Braves, or just the end of summer drawing near, but I’m still very surprised that The Resignation didn’t draw more discussion. Hell, the John Bowker pick-up got more press. But there was an obvious rift. The FOTW quote of “That’s my job. Develop ’em and wave ’em goodbye” might not be verbatim, but he sure sounds somewhat upset resigned to this way of doing business on as an ongoing concern.
by Boundforbeach on Sep 12, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was a fantastic article, if for any other reason than to confirm that Lamar was essentially driven out by not really being allowed to do the things that he was good at.
Say what you want about RAJ as a GM but he has been losing a lot of valuable pieces around him over the last few years.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Yes, although it’s noteworthy that (if Conlin was right) he wasn’t driven out because Ruben & co. were unhappy with him. It sounds as if Ruben had no desire to see him go and that it was Lamar’s decision to leave. Ruben, of course, is responsible for the philosophical decisions that made Lamar unhappy.
If all that’s true, I’m totally on Team Lamar. Player development is just as important when you’re a contender as it is when you’re rebuilding. If your own development people are that unhappy, then your budgetary balance between the big league payroll and the minors is out of whack. (Even if 98% of the fans don’t care a whit about it and if anything would like an even higher percentage of the budget to be blown spent on major league talent.)
This Team Lamar?
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by WholeCamels on Sep 12, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re right. I didn’t mean driven out in the sense that RAJ gave him an ultimatum or anything of that nature, but more along the lines of what you said, that ultimately RAJ made the decisions that in the end drove Lamar out. I doubt Rub made those decisions with that intent but the end result is what it is. But losing guys like Lamar and Arbuckle the last few years really bothers me.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I’m with you, Taco. For the fans who don’t care about player development and only care about “The Big Phillies,” how in the world do you expect Ruben Amaro to trade for major pieces if there are no trade chips? Money don’t mean much at the trade deadline.
Let's go eat...a triceratops. /velociraptor'd
by LeepinLizardz on Sep 12, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Player development is just as important when you’re a contender as it is when you’re rebuilding.
I’d argue it’s more important. If neglected while winning, it necessitates rebuilding when the MLB guys get too old and there’s nothing left to trade. If managed correctly, you can be the Red Sox and simply move in Ellsburys, Pedroias and Lesters when the older players retire. Or you can be the Rays and simply let starters walk at the end of their Arb years and call up Jennings, Hellickson, Price, Moore, etc.
On the flip side of that (and I’m in the same boat as you, FTR) though, If the organization is headed in one direction, and LaMar ahs a philosophy headed the other way, its probably not the worst idea to make a change.
That said, Losing Lamar, from a draft perspective, is going to be a bigger deal than anyone outside of this circle anticipate.
25.8/106 "Winter is coming" -Eddard Stark
I think it should be noted what Keith Law said in a chat about this the other day. He indicated that the word around baseball was that Lamar was on the outs and going to demoted/fired after the season and chose to resign now instead.
Considering that Conlin’s source is likely to be Lamar you are obviously going to hear a very favorable take from him on it. He’s trying to position himself now to acquire another job and having word get out you were forced out doesn’t help that cause.
Maybe Conlin is right, but I think this other side of the conversation needs to be addressed as well because in my opinion it holds as much validity.
That’s a fair point. Conlin has other sources in the organization though – ones that pre-date Lamar, in fact. On the other hand, Conlin’s kind of an idiot, but I don’t think he’s so big of an idiot not to crosscheck with his other sources.
I also think Law’s kind of an idiot, so that’s on both sides of the scale. If somebody else corroborates what he said, I’ll give it more weight.
Right. I am not a big Law fan (everyone knows hates the Phillies of course) but I am even less of a Conlin fan.
The thing that leads me to believe Law’s take more than Conlin’s is the timing. While I realize the minor league season is over so his work could be considered done for the season, the timing is still really awkward.
Typically stuff like this happens in October or November. If Lamar were to voluntarily leave, in my opinion he would have done that in the offseason when it would be less eye brow raising and would better position him to get another job.
But I agree… I would like to hear some corroboration.
And who knows, maybe Lamar knows something everyone else doesn’t. Maybe he knows Gillick is going to take the Cubs job and bring him along.
Considering Lamar was originally a Gillick hire this is a distinct possibility. Then we just have to hope history doesn’t repeat itself with the scouting department.
Let me tell you…it was bittersweet watching Travis D’Arnaud and Anthony Gose celebrating on the field after beating Reading last night.
At one point, Gose hit a grounder to the second baseman (I think it was the 2B and not the 1B) and he lollygagged with the throw. The whole time, I was yelling “Throw the ball! GOSE IS FAST!” And once the 2B realized Gose was almost at the bag, he rushed the throw and Gose reached. They scored it an error. The crowd booed and yelled things like “This is the playoffs!” as if the guy forgot the urgency of the situation. I just nodded sagely. I told you Gose was fast.
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Hey despite the loss, the R-Phils looked pretty good in the series against the FCs. Us playoff-starved Jays fans are living vicariously through our farm teams, something that you don’t have to worry about! Nevertheless, good luck to the IronPigs in their championship run!
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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 12, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s enough talent in the pipeline for the Jays to be pretty damned competitive in a few years. The AL East is going to be fairly insane.
Brett Lawrie single-handedly saved my fantasy team. It’s awesome to have a third baseman who hits a homer and steals a base every single night. I have nothing but love for the Blue Jays. In fact, my first ever fitted cap purchase was a Blue Jays cap with the old logo.
I’m rooting hard for the Fisher Cats to win it all.
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by LeepinLizardz on Sep 12, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The Blue Jays were my AL team before 1993, but then there were some hard feelings for a while. But I think I like them again now. I hope they get a decent ballpark someday.
The Skydome / Rogers Centre really isn’t as bad as people both in and out of Toronto make it to be. It has a good atmosphere with a good-sized crowd and a dull cavernous atmosphere with a small crowd. In my mind it is more than decent. Not stunning and beautiful, but definitely decent.
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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 12, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
And I do! The Phillies are my NL team and have been since 2007. I just don’t follow them at all until the playoffs.
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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 12, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
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by The Fish on Sep 12, 2011 11:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nope
> Vance Worley likely headed to the bullpen in Phillies’ postseason
> WIP phone lines blowin’ up.
Vance Worley doesn’t play for the Eagles, won’t even be mentioned on WIP.
by JamesFromPhilly on Sep 12, 2011 1:16 PM EDT reply actions
First things first, did Corey Hart really say that? HAHAHA! I guess winning one game of a 4 game series and avoiding getting swept at home by a Phillies team that started Pete Orr and Wilson Valdez in the same game IS bulletin board material and a totally sensible reason to feel like you can play with the Phillies. I lol’d multiple times at this.
And secondly, love the two picture captions the last couple days, the Psycho Thriller and FASTBALLZ Frankie were great.
"Don't regret the rules I broke, and when I die, bury me in smoke."
It wasn’t a very sensible quote but the purpose of it was to be self-motivational, not accurate. In any event, his conclusion is right, even if he gets there the wrong way. The Phillies certainly have the edge if they face in the postseason, but Milwaukee would have a decent chance to win too.
I figured that was the case, and while it was self-motivational, it just seemed ill-timed. I would’ve better understood it, no matter its accuracy, if he had said that after the Brewers took 3 of 4 themselves, or even split the series, but to say that after barely staving off a sweep seemed a bit much to me. Milwaukee’s a really good team and very capable of winning a short series, and of course we didn’t face Greinke, but seeing how the Phillies aces came in and basically shut them down, I just didn’t understand how that’s “playing with the Phillies.” I guess if we would’ve swept them but had a few close games, he still could’ve said that to fire himself up, no matter how right or wrong it was.
"Don't regret the rules I broke, and when I die, bury me in smoke."
for those out of market w/o gameday tv plan
Phils – Stros is the MLB free game of the night on the internets
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rest-of-year pitching matchups
Here’s how it looks now (Sun, Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sat). NLDS Game 1 is on the third Saturday.
This week: VW, RO, CH, RH, CL/KK, VW, RO
Next week: CH, RH, CL/KK, VW, RO, CH, RH
Third week: CL, VW, RO, CH, off, off, RH
So, as of now, Halladay is set to pitch Game 1 on six days’ rest. Lee would pitch the following day (Sunday), also on six days’ rest.
I think ideally, you’d want Halladay and Lee to pitch on five days’ rest instead. Maybe they should think about having someone like Scott Mathieson make a spot start next week.

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