Very Un-Dude: Nationals 6, Phillies 1
by WholeCamels on Sep 22, 2011 10:08 PM EDT
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Another split-squad Phillies team, another loss to the Nationals closing out the home portion of the Phillies' regular season. The Washington Nationals won 6-1, completing a four-game sweep, the first sweep of three or more games the Phillies have suffered all season.
We can keep hashing out the whole "these aren't the real Phillies" arguments and "no playoff team will have Pete Orr, John Bowker, and Ross Gload in the starting lineup" stuff, and those would be correct, smart things to say. But it's really dreadful baseball to watch.
We've been fans of this team for years now, it's a veteran roster that knows how to play and what's important. Let's just hope they remember all that stuff starting next weekend. One of the big problems with an aging roster is the tendency to, you know, age, and get tired late in the season.
Details? Roy Oswalt looked good to start out, allowing two runs in the third with two outs, thanks in part to another "Chase Utley doesn't trust his right fielders" play, nearly colliding with Bowker and allowing an Ian Desmond pop-up to fall in for a double. Desmond would then score on a Roger Bernadina single. Those two runs would be all the Nationals would need, as Brian Peacock flummoxed the Phillies lineup, allowing just one hit and lots of fly ball outs in 5 2/3 innings pitched.
Oswalt's night disintegrated in the eighth, with the right-hander allowing four runs, three on a Michael Morse home run. Oswalt's final line: 7 2/3 innings, six runs, four strikeouts, seven hits. But hey, his fastball looked nice for the first 100 pitches or so.
The Phillies scored their sole run in the bottom of the ninth, after a two out double from John Mayberry and a Carlos Ruiz single.
In good news, Joe Savery pitched a very nice ninth inning, needing just 11 pitches and collecting a strikeout.
The Phillies head to Queens for a three game weekend series with the Mets.
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And I sure as shit don’t roll on Shabbas!
No one knows what it means, but it's provocative! GETS THE PEOPLE GOING!
by Eaglesadvocate on Sep 22, 2011 10:12 PM EDT reply actions
Also, Davey Johnson is a giant douche. A pitching change with two outs in the ninth with a six-run lead? THAT is fucking bush league right there. I wish LA was on the radio tonight—I’d have loved to hear his take on it.
Davey Johnson? Do something douchey? Well I never…..
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Sep 22, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
he has a rep for not getting along great with his players or with management. Now given he’s had some real doozies for owners in the past (Marge Schott and Peter Angelos) but it’s still the rep he has.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Sep 22, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
his own team was booing him
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by DirtyWaters on Sep 22, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You have a speak n spell with titties as a word?
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Sep 22, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your grandfather was Cthulu? Must make for awkward family reunions, having a family member who is outside of time, and the giant tentacles, at the dinner table? Jeez.
Man and the territorial pissing. Cthulhu vs. Satan. Whoa. It’s an event to say the least and the sacrifice always gets ruined.
I’m afraid to ask who your mother and grandmother are. I’d make some suppositions, but, like I said, I’m afraid.
Actually it's more like the Unholy Trinity. It's complicated...like Catholicism. (see Holy Ghost)
Anyway, the Unholy Trinity are “They Who Cannot Be Named”. So we call them
DOOOMMMMEEEDDDDDD
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Sep 22, 2011 10:29 PM EDT reply actions
sort of a dream scenario…..the phillies take one of two from the Mets, then the Braves come in with the wild card still in doubt. The Phillies sweep the Braves, knocking them out of the playoffs and setting the team record for wins.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Sep 22, 2011 10:29 PM EDT reply actions
Eh. I’d rather sweep both series, but that would work two. I just don’t think I can stand an 8-game losing streak.
Me either.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Sep 23, 2011 7:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’d much rather the Braves make the playoffs because A) I don’t want to face a team like the Cardinals in the NLDS with 2 pitchers more than capable of shutting down the Phils offense and Albert Pujols B) I think it is more embarrassing for the Braves to hang up another wild card banner in their stadium after being boat raced in the playoffs
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by DirtyWaters on Sep 22, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
ack no more banners for the Braves. Remember earlier this year after their 10,000th win when they literally mowed 10,000 into the outfield grass? Who knows what they’ll do if they win the 2011 Wild Card.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Sep 22, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
a constant reminder of 2nd pace is a beautiful thing…it looks ridiculous next to their 14 straight
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by DirtyWaters on Sep 22, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
place that is
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by DirtyWaters on Sep 22, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope. The word was “flat.”
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Angels-Jays heading to the 12th inning. By the way, what happens if a pennant race ends in a three way tie?
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Sep 22, 2011 10:37 PM EDT reply actions
rock-paper-scissors
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by DirtyWaters on Sep 22, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Angels lose, they’re down by 3 now in the AL wild card.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Sep 22, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
cooked
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by DirtyWaters on Sep 22, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
saw he was put on the restricted list and went back to the DR…what happened with him?
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by DirtyWaters on Sep 22, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
not impressed
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Sep 22, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Was also a year or two older than he said he was. Also, apparently, the team has known this for some time?
WHAT THE FUCK MARLINS?
why would he go through all that trouble just to take a year off of his age? I mean if you’re going to create a fake identification and all that at least take four or five years off your actual age.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Sep 22, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
oh wow…If all this ends in the Phillies signing Nunez (or Oviedo or whatever his name is) I don’t even want to think of what that will do to the smug meter.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Sep 22, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
he may have had his fill of Juan Carlos’s
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by DirtyWaters on Sep 22, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by alcatraz0109 on Sep 22, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
seriously? JC?
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by DirtyWaters on Sep 22, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Romero ring a bell
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by DirtyWaters on Sep 22, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Ooooohh. Yeah, sure. I never made that connection, not at all. Name fail, evidently.
Still, I think Leo Juan Carlos Nunez Ovideo is a tad better than Romero.
But not as good as Madson (pleeze Ruben- I don’t need a new pitcher for Christmas… Just keep Cole and Rollins, andMadson, and I will be overjoyed)
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Sep 22, 2011 11:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Overjoyed is right for those 3. I’ll be satisfied with Jimmy and Cole (losing Madson will of course suck). Losing either of those two though will be very very sad for me.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Sep 23, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
ah-ha!
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by DirtyWaters on Sep 23, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah…. we got him in the 2nd cliff lee deal right?
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Sep 23, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Sep 23, 2011 7:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Holy Danny Almonte, Batman
(stay tuned for tomorrow’s mitch-o-meter)
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by DirtyWaters on Sep 22, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
what
I didn’t hear this…* gets out from under rock and goes to mlb.com *
Let's go eat...a triceratops. /velociraptor'd
by LeepinLizardz on Sep 22, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Oops. Good going, Marlins. That’s a bigger screwup than your new logo.
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by LeepinLizardz on Sep 22, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
debatable
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by DirtyWaters on Sep 22, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And I thought that would be difficult…
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Sep 22, 2011 11:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe that’s why it’s just now coming to light? He just doesn’t want to be caught wearing that new logo, even if it means giving up his career.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Sep 22, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
WOW. That is an AWESOME story. It actually makes me a little bit happy that this kind of thing can still happen in a world where you can be traced at all hours of the day through you cell phone, credit card, social security number, EZ pass, etc.
Also, I understand that MLB can’t tolerate this kind of thing systematically and needs to address it, but part of me almost thinks more power to Nunez/Oviedo. Presumably he lied about his age because if teams knew the truth they would have thought he was too old to be a legit prospect and had no future in the big leagues. Guess what? He was right and they were wrong!
ever see the movie, “Sugar”? The plight of Latin American baseball players in chasing their baseball dream is really a fascinating and IMO under told story
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by DirtyWaters on Sep 23, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Was listening to 97.5 (I should know better)… all these fans were calling in and saying how Utley sucks and Howard and Ibanez get all of this undue flack that Chase gets a pass on. Chase’s overall fWAR (3.6) is so much higher than Ibanez (-1.2) and is a good bit higher than Howard(1.6). I think people forget he’s a middle infielder—we were spoiled with godly Chase for so long that this good chase we have seems bad.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Sep 22, 2011 11:16 PM EDT reply actions
true, but he does get a pass…and comparing him to other 2nd baseman around the league is much different than comparing him to other 3 hole hitters
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by DirtyWaters on Sep 22, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I am getting deeply disturbed about his newfound ability to not hit. Everytime he seems to begin to break out he goes 0 for 5 or gets beaned in the skull or whatever and it’s back to square zero.
He’s still a great player, but I hope his hitting recovers somewhat.
I agree with both of the above… I love chase and hope he gets back to his old self. But his production is still not far out of line with what he’s being paid was my point above.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Sep 22, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
As do I. I was listening to the very early part of the pre-game show and someone mentioned that Utley’s swing this year is very different from what it has been- instead of having a very compact swing and driving the ball, he appears to be slapping at the ball.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Sep 22, 2011 11:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that was Ben Davis and he may have a point that he is swinging more with his upper body than with his legs
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by DirtyWaters on Sep 22, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I’m hoping that he can get things done enough in the playoffs… and that he can let his knee chill in the off season and hopefully recover fully.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Sep 22, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
save that post to use again this time next season
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by DirtyWaters on Sep 22, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That frown is especially relevant because I basically did say the same thing last year… it’s possible he won’t ever be the old Chase again… however, I stick by saying he’s still a key part of this team. If his offense continues to decline then Charlie will need to consider moving his spot in the lineup.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Sep 22, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the really sad part is that even if it’s completely apparent that it’s the right move, Charlie still won’t make it.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Sep 22, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
So… Utley should hit where?
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Sep 22, 2011 11:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I think Charlie sticking by his guy for now it’s terrible, but I agree with VVV that he will probably stick with chase longer than he should down the line in that spot and it will make people resent him.
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Sep 22, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
it is sad that you need to be the “s” because there are so many people who would say that not in jest…
by Cole_Hamels_Can on Sep 23, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I have wanted him to flip Utley & Victorino in between Rollins and Howard for awhile against LHP
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by DirtyWaters on Sep 23, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Before Victorino’s hitting fell off a cliff I wanted the same thing.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Sep 23, 2011 7:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Me too. :,(
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
by dannijd on Sep 22, 2011 11:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That recap photo reminded me….I was at the game last night and the Phanatic shot a hot dog out of the stadium, clearing the roof on the 3rd base side….anyone ever see that before?
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Phils lose, Cards lose, Giants losing, this is turning into a very good day for the Barves.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Sep 22, 2011 11:56 PM EDT reply actions
So, my only hope out of this is that RAJ can see that a little more creativity and scrapheap picking can produce a better bench. It’s been my only gripe and this team is so good I feel guilty for whining about it. Although the issue may be more complicated by Chuckles and how he uses the bench. There are times when I wonder whether or not bench players want to play here because they really only get to play when the regulars are injured or in a situation like this.
I think having a platoon situation at 1-2 positions is a good thing when you have several all-star caliber everyday players and this rotation. I wouldn’t mind seeing that next season in LF with a day off every 10 games for each infielder…I know that won’t happen though
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by DirtyWaters on Sep 23, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
My blood is still boiling about that Wayne Simmonds banana incident tonight. He really handled himself with class and dignity answering questions about it after the game. I will really enjoy rooting for him in the orange and black.
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he grew up 2 hours away from where that game was played
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So Wikipedia says he’s of Black Nova Scotian descent, meaning his ancestors fled the U.S. on the Underground Railroad and his family’s been in Canada for generations. Fascinating stuff.
Hockey’s going to become really diverse over the next few decades, what with Canada’s demographic changes. It’ll be interesting to see.
the best part of the whole thing is that he still scored on the play
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That’s great.
What’s with the banana? I get that there’s a racial angle, I just don’t understand it?
yeah it’s actually becoming really common in Euro soccer games because so many of their players are coming from Africa. IT’s a really bad trend obviously
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Sep 23, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not to sure about the diversity angle. You guys are way better equipped to discuss class and economics, in particular race/class dynamics, than I am but when you take into account it’s cost as well as it’s climate limitations (in terms of kids being able to play without a rink i.e pond hockey or backyard rinks) the money/class issue comes to the forefront. Here’s a link discussing the current issues Canadian families are having dealing with the most costly team sport. And yes, I never got to play because of money and I’m still bitter about it. Also when you consider Aumont’s story there’s an obvious reason why someone his size and presumably athleticism isn’t an NHL blueliner.
Sorry about the formatting of the linked article. At least on my puter the entire article is slammed into one skinny column.
Hockey is stupidly expensive, and it keeps getting worse.
I played youth hockey, for several years, before being told by my parents that I could choose between hockey, or baseball and the trumpet. I chose the latter, and glad I did. I wish I could have done all three, though, but I understand why that was not an option.
well, if you’re trying to play ice there’s limitations. Foot hockey/roller hockey is more economically feasible, with the latter requiring a trash can, hockey stick, and hockey ball
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 23, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
a big "IF"
but if this recent stretch of less than stellar play continues over the final 6 games and by some freak occurrence the Phils happen to get swept in the 1st round….Would Charlie Manuel’s job be in jeopardy?
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I don’t think Savery can be on our postseason roster, can he? And if he can… can we trust him?
Our bullpen used to have me feeling extremely confident. Now I am nervous about everything.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
by Dr. Steve on Sep 23, 2011 1:41 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If BABIP is an individual statistic
…..why are so many Phillies slumping together? Hard to win when top of the lineup is 0 for the week (slight exaggeration)
Bullpen is a mess except for Madsen. Right now it is like watching American Idol outtakes of failed auditions.
Even if playoffs are a crapshoot determined partly by luck, Phils need to play better
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by BenDerDonDat on Sep 23, 2011 5:47 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Here's what I think. An admittedly worthless opinion, but still.
I was at the game last night. It was a fun time, even the part where we lost. At least we didn’t get shut out again.
Anyway, we don’t care about the Nationals. They can’t hurt us in any meaningful way and if they feel good about sweeping us, good for them. The Cards… eh, that’s a slightly different story, but at least the Phillies did their part to make the WC race on our side of the league more interesting. Honorable? Probably not. You’re welcome, National Baseball Media!
The Phillies don’t like the Mets and they have a real chance of shutting the Braves out of the postseason themselves. If the offense can’t turn it on in these last few games, that’s when I start getting very worried.
Also, this is what happens when Ryan Howard is not in the line-up.
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