Some Tuesday Phillies Links for You, September 27, 2011: Centurions, Coaches, Rosters, and Bonus Funkadelphia
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 27, 2011 7:45 AM EDT
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Projecting Phillies' postseason roster
Jim Salisbury's take.
Amaro said that outfielder Domonic Brown and relievers Joe Savery and Justin DeFratus would report to the Florida Instructional League to stay sharp in case they are needed later in the postseason.
Phillies should be hoping for Cardinals | The Phillies Zone | 09/26/2011
Enter the comment zone at your own peril.
Phillies Notes: Phillies like their coaches, but will all return? | Philadelphia Inquirer | 09/27/2011
I can't help thinking that having Ryne Sandberg near Chase Utley next year would be a good thing.
2011 Phillies Could Be the Greatest Disappointment in Philly Sports History | The Philly Post
Upon deeper reflection, shouting "Everybody Panic!" is probably not necessary.
Savery looks toward 2012 | The Phillies Zone | 09/27/2011
The door opens for... Clutchy McLoogy?
Despite pressure to deliver snow, Phillies excited - 2012 Bridgestone NHL Winter Classic
If Montgomery just flies Roy Halladay into town to stare down the clouds on December 31, it'll snow. Then by simply flicking a switch on his back, he can then melt it all off the parking lots.
Sather predicts Rangers, Yanks titles - NYPOST.com
Imagine you're an underendowed sportswriter from New York City who writes about hockey. Start typing.
Around the League (Around the League, Around the League...)
Braves Lose To Phillies; Cardinals Can't Take Advantage, Remain One Game Back In Wild Card Race - Baseball Nation
Baseball (blog) friend Grant provides a tidy wrapup of the NL wild card race if you didn't follow the action last night.
Boston Red Sox, Tampa Bay Rays Officially All Tied Up For Wild Card - Baseball Nation
If the Red Sox blow this, they'll join the 1964 You-Know-Whos in Epic Collapseland.
Ozzie: ‘They just let me go' - DailyHerald.com
Guillen likely will be the new manager of the Miami Marlins, who are reportedly going to send an actual player for him. Many "Please let it be me" prayers detected by God last night originating from the Marlins' clubhouse.
Heart, pitching, defense can't overcome hitting woes as Angels miss playoffs | MLB.com: News
How can the Angels possibly have had heart with Bobby Abreu still in their lineup?
Mariano Rivera: King of Postseason WPA - Beyond the Box Score
The Clutchiest McSlugger ever is a pitcher.
Bonus Funkadelphia (after the jump):
Phillies bring generations together | Courier-Post | courierpostonline.com
But brokering peace in the Middle East remains just out of their grasp, even with Hunter Pence. I'm down with the Generation X rage by the 42-year-old dad quoted in this article. Makes me think of my favorite musical memento from the last time the Phils won 100 games in a season:
Phillies Fever (via mcwalton24)
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I don’t remember all of the specific numbers in terms of who had the bigger lead entering September and honestly I am too lazy to look them up, but am I right in saying that if the Cardinals make into the playoffs, and the Rays make it in that what the Cardinals did is more impressive because they only had 3 head to head games with the Braves, of which they won all three, compared to the Rays who had 7 head to head games with the Sox and won 6 out of 7? In September that is?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Both the Rays and the Cardinals were 8.5 games back of the Wild Card on September 1. http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings/_/type/wild-card/date/20110901
I don’t think it really matters which one is “more impressive”, does it? It’s pretty astounding that either team is there at the end. It’s going to be absolutely humiliating for either the Red Sox or the Braves to not make it (which isn’t a bad thing, especially with the Braves, is it?)
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
On August 25, St. Louis were 10.5 (!!!!!) games behind the Braves.
On September 2, the Rays were 9 games behind the Red Sox.
Writer at SB Nation's Philadelphia Union blog, The Brotherly Game. Follow me on Twitter.
It’s really amazing. This is Why They Play the Games © I guess.
It’s also really hilarious. My Red Sox fan friends and family are FLIPPING OUT right now. But at least they (and the Barves, I suppose) have an excuse. They have been bitten straight-up devoured by the injury bug. Sucks to be them!
by LeepinLizardz on Sep 27, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
According to coolstandings.com (which has a pretty decent model imo), both teams were >99% to make the playoffs, and would join 4 other epic collapses that have exceeded 99%. The Red Sox were 99.6% and the Braves were 99.2% .
by Vaughn Haze on Sep 27, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Nate Silver’s got a good read posted on his blog:
by P. Incaviglia on Sep 27, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I have been critical (ok unfairly critical)
..of the Phils this year when they have had the occasional Bermuda Triangle week to 10 days. But 100 wins, when you look at Rollins, Polanco, Victorino, Utley, Howard and others going down at one point or the other this season, is by any definition a terrific season. They persevered (of course, with the aid of first-rate, pretty unbelievable pitching), and there is a lot to be said for teams that persevere.
Finally, one word about Cliff Lee. I think he gave up 6 or 7 extra base hits last night. It shows what a masterful pitcher he is, because he walks a very fine line. If his pitches are off the mark by very much, he does not overpower anyone. But his ability to pound the zone, get ahead of the hitters, and keep them off balance make him a truly masterful pitcher.
"I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it." Groucho Marx
I believe it was only 5 hits but yes, when you don’t walk anyone and strikeout a batter an inning you will be fairly successful
by FanSince1993 on Sep 27, 2011 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Looks like the Marlins (despite the rumors that they’d be dumb enough to trade LoMo here) are only going to give up a couple of marginal prospects for Guillen (not anybody on the 40 man roster). Less than what the Rays gave up to Seattle for Pinella a decade or so back.
Drove by the new Marlins stadium yesterday for the first time in about a month. It’s a nice looking stadium. Will be able to go to those Saturday afternoon games against the Phillies without fear of dying of heatstroke.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
I don’t really want LoMo here, do you?
by LeepinLizardz on Sep 27, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
YES
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Sep 27, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Vic is one year away from leaving too….
The only gripe I have about trading Managers is now Smuggles will probably package Sandberg in next years mega deal for Mark Reynolds.
Team Kafka.
"When life gives you lemons, don’t make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don’t want your damn lemons, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life’s manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I’m the man who’s gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I’m gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" - Cave Johnson
Clearly we will trade Sandberg to the Dodgers for Ivan DeJesus, Jr.
by Cormican on Sep 27, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’m scared. Frightened.
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Well, Vic is a year away from free agency, that doesn’t mean he’s leaving.
Players looking to cash in on free agency don’t normally donate $1,000,000 to build a boys and girls club in their current teams backyard. Vic wants to play here. And he won’t be greedy about it.
25.8/106 "Winter is coming" -Eddard Stark
But he might not stay or free. I’m not saying it will happen, just saying I would take LoMo on my team regardless of personality issues.
Team Kafka.
"When life gives you lemons, don’t make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don’t want your damn lemons, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life’s manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I’m the man who’s gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I’m gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" - Cave Johnson
There would be no place to put him. Even assuming an outfield spot opens up when Vic’s contract expires. Could you imagine an outfield of Pence, Morrison, and Brown? Defense would be an adventure. Don’t forget we need a spot for Mayberry somewhere too. And I’m not even touching LoMo’s potential personality issues.
by LeepinLizardz on Sep 27, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Trading managers for players is so bizarre to me. I wonder what Charlie Manual would fetch on the open market. Maybe he’ll be Amaro’s trade bait at the next deadline.
by The Howling Fantods on Sep 27, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
rumors? I said that as a joke last night, but there are actual rumors?
Remember when Chase Utley was good at baseball
by DirtyWaters on Sep 27, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I have to note that after spending 2 straight nights watching games on MLB with the Yankees announcers (my god, I wanted to stick a drill in my ear to make it stop) and the Barves gaggle of idiots with microphones, I feel so much better about Sarge, T-Mac and Wheels.
I like baseball with Bolt Thower. It’s awesome when a big play syncs with the breakdowns. I do make exceptions for Sarge and the play-offs. Honestly I don’t miss the SOUNDS OF THE GAME one iota.
I switched to a combination of Sodom (Agent Orange, specifically) and the new Anthrax album by the time the 6th inning wrapped up. For some reason I’ve always been luke warm on Bolt Thrower, despite liking plenty of similar Death Metal bands.
Suprised with Bolt Thrower. It has alot of appeal to peeps from the Crossover era. You can tell they draw alot from early Brit. punkmetal outfits like Broken Bones and English Dogs (take a trip in the way back when machine. How about that album cover.)
And Anthrax has a new record out? I wasn’t the biggest fan but I always had mad respect for them – Ramones of Metal – one of the hardest workin’ bands out there.
100 Wins
Love saying that.
Stay tuned.
Might as well just hand them over.
by All ur Aces R Belong to Us on Sep 27, 2011 11:05 AM EDT reply actions
Brookover piece is brilliant
“So Jaime is Garcia is good, especially against the Phillies, but, um, Roy Halladay is good too, so don’t worry. Oh yeah, and Cliff Lee.”
by FanSince1993 on Sep 27, 2011 12:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Savery
I dont believe for a second that Savery is only being sent to Clearwater “in case”. He’s gonna get a shot again today and tomorrow to show his LOOGY ability.
He won’t be on the roster against the Cards or Arizona, based on their LHBs. But if we face Atlanta or The Milwaukee FIELDERS in either round I’d put his chances for the 11th spot very high if he proves effective today and tomorrow.
25.8/106 "Winter is coming" -Eddard Stark
It’s probably the weirdest prospect progression I’ve ever seen. He was basically written off entirely just a few months back, made no one’s top 30 list of Phillies prospects last offseason, and probably would have missed most people’s top 100 Phillies prospects lists (if anyone were so anal-retentive to compile one). To see him now as a possibility for the playoff roster is pretty amazing.
For the record, I’d rather have Savery on the roster than KK.
After watching the ball clank off Clankbnez’s glove last night I would rather have Pods up here as a late inning defensive replacement.
Heck, forget Pods, JMJ would be an improvement defensively, and wouldn’t hurt you as a hitter the way Pods would, in the vent a game were tied and went extra innings.
I like having a late inning drag bunter threat as well. Pods skill set is good for late inning low run scoring environments when your playing for a run vs. maximizing your runs.
I’m hopeful Pete Orr makes the roster over Valdez, to serve as pinch runner. Besides we can’t put Pods on the Post Season roster anyway.
why?
He was in the organization on the 31st of august. He only would need to be added to the 40 man roster.
You’ve got contreras spot available.
25.8/106 "Winter is coming" -Eddard Stark
I’m pretty sure the rule is that a Pitcher needs to replace a pitcher. So unless someone goes all victory and breaks Mini Mart’s arm. Pods is sitting this October.
But Pods is left handed and can sac bunt like a champ.
by LeepinLizardz on Sep 27, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Ibanez would like to remind you that he’s Hot Raul right now and should be for the postseason, according to experts on the subject.
by LeepinLizardz on Sep 27, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
But Cold Raul is always lurking right around the corner
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
His Name is Mudd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo-WjUjzV_Q
@boknows71
Yes, but Joecatz says we have Hot Raul through the playoffs. He hasn’t really been wrong yet…
by LeepinLizardz on Sep 27, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t want Joe to be wrong, trust me.
Excuse to use Cold Miser picture.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
His Name is Mudd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo-WjUjzV_Q
@boknows71
This is true. But I would rather have Hot Raul than Scott Pods on the roster.
"You should send him an edible arrangement of chocolate strawberries...If I were the disciplinarian, that would work for me."
by LeepinLizardz on Sep 27, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Well, you heard what happened, right? They’ve been arguing all day because a fair amount of folks are, like, “So what? It’s part of hockey. Want to change it, change the culture,” which is partially true, but the other side is “intolerance is intolerance” which is also true. I’ve been trying to post but something’s wrong with the site for me today and I can’t post anything.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Briefly. I know they fought and from what I read I’m guessing Avery accused Simmonds of using the “F” word. Sounds like Simmonds isn’t exactly denying it.
He isn’t denying it and really can’t because it’s caught on camera. But I bet Avery called him the n-word first. Doesn’t make either word right, of course.
by LeepinLizardz on Sep 27, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m thinking this issue might have more traction if Avery weren’t Sean Avery. It doesn’t make what happened right, but I have a harder time getting incensed about it.
What kind of plane is it? Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big ol' Tylenol.
Don’t forget to mention that Avery was also caught on tape last night tell Giroux he was going to f-ing kill him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-rGud48R5E
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
His Name is Mudd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo-WjUjzV_Q
@boknows71
But I bet Avery called him the n-word first.
I hate Sean Avery as much as the next hockey fan but I think this is a pretty reckless statement.
If Avery did indeed say that then Simmonds would and should come out and say it. He didn’t. And I doubt it’s because he is taking the moral high ground. Chances are Simmonds was still pissed about the perceived sucker punch that he thought Avery threw and he went over the line.
doubleh is right, if this was anyone but Avery it would be a bigger deal.
If Simmonds did indeed use the “F” word then he needs to be dealt with.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Would Simmonds come out and say it? He didn’t want to address racial issues when he was hit with a banana. It was wrong of me to accuse Avery of provoking Simmonds, but it’s not exactly a stretch.
I agree that Simmonds should be spoken to privately. But where does it stop then? Do you discipline every player that uses any offensive word? That could quickly get out of hand. I guess it would be good for Simmonds to apologize, and then anyone else who gets caught should apologize too. I don’t think fining Simmonds would stop other players from using it.
"You should send him an edible arrangement of chocolate strawberries...If I were the disciplinarian, that would work for me."
by LeepinLizardz on Sep 27, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Would Simmonds come out and say it? I think he should. But if the Flyers tell him not to then I guess he has no choice.
Do you discipline every player that uses an offensive word?
Depends on the word, and depends on what the NHL wants to do. If they seriously want to change the culture then yes they should. But that’s my opinion.
Would fining Simmonds stop other players from using those words? No, but it’s a start.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Regardless, Simmonds is making it very hard for me to not to spend large amounts of money to get his jersey.
Team Kafka.
"When life gives you lemons, don’t make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don’t want your damn lemons, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life’s manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I’m the man who’s gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I’m gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" - Cave Johnson
Spending large amounts of money and hockey….no effing way. This is the only thing hockey that doesn’t require you to part ways with a kidney.
And that’s fine. I certainly won’t accuse you of hating gays because you own the jersey of someone who supposedly used the “F” word. Nor do I think Simmonds hates gays if indeed he did say the word that people are accusing him of. We’ve all said things we probably shouldn’t have and I don’t think that saying those things is indicative of who we are. Now if someone went on a rant and used the word repeatedly, say like Michael Richards(comedian) a few years ago, then I might be quicker to pain the gay as a blatant racist/homophobe.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I just think its a non-story. I’m sure its not the first time he’s used the word to another player, hell, I’ll bet it wasnt the only time that word was used during the game last night. The only reason its even on the news is because Avery loves bitching to the media.
Team Kafka.
"When life gives you lemons, don’t make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don’t want your damn lemons, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life’s manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I’m the man who’s gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I’m gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" - Cave Johnson
But he didn’t bitch to the media. He didn’t bring it up. It was caught on camera and the media asked him about it. Again, I hate Avery but I would be willing to bet that given his stance on gay rights, he would have rather it not be brought up at all. Not to mention, he never said the word himself. The media asked him if Simmonds said what they thought he said and his response was yeah or something of that nature.
It’s a story because it was caught on camera.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Simmonds wasn’t caught on camera saying the F word. Avery was caught on camera saying that he was going to “kill Giroux”. He said in the locker room to a ESPN-NY reporter that Simmonds called him the F word. Simmonds actually denied using that exact word to Gary Bettman today, but did say he did refer to Avery in that convex. No camera caught Simmonds say anything. The NHL did ask the reffs is they heard anything though.
So yeah, its a story because Avery made it a story.
Team Kafka.
"When life gives you lemons, don’t make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don’t want your damn lemons, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life’s manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I’m the man who’s gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I’m gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" - Cave Johnson
You are completely wrong. Simmonds was caught on camera saying the word. The reporters heard it because Avery was mic’d. After the game the reporters asked Avery about it and Avery confirmed that Simmonds said it. Avery did not go up to a reporter and rat Simmonds out. He didn’t bring it up, the reporters did. Do your research.
And yes camera’s caught Avery saying he was going to kill Giroux, however what he said was a lot more involved than that and he essentially said that he doesn’t want to kill Giroux but that if someone doesn’t control him he was going to kill him. He didn’t just come out and say he was going to kill Giroux.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Guess Dreger, LeBrun, and the NHL believe me sources over yours ;)
Team Kafka.
"When life gives you lemons, don’t make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don’t want your damn lemons, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life’s manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I’m the man who’s gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I’m gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" - Cave Johnson
Sources regarding which point exactly, that it was caught on camera or that Avery brought it up? Because I’ve seen a video of Avery being questioned after the game.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Well then the reporter should be fired. If the NHL couldn’t tell what was said a day after the incident, then how does this random reporter know?
NY media(just as bad, if not worse then Philly media) and Avery(who is known for saying whatever the hell he wants just for the attention). Tell me again why this is a story?
No discipline for Simmonds. NHL couldn’t substantiate what was allegedly said on the ice. A statement is expected soon.
So theres that.
Team Kafka.
"When life gives you lemons, don’t make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don’t want your damn lemons, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life’s manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I’m the man who’s gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I’m gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" - Cave Johnson
WAR Help
I am trying to figure out who the top player is at each position in reference to WAR, basically a WAR-Star Team.
Can anyone help me do so at BBR or Fangraphs?
Thanks in advance.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
His Name is Mudd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo-WjUjzV_Q
@boknows71
P Halladay
RP Kimbrel
C Avila
1B Cabrera
2B Pedroia
SS Tulowitzki
3B Beltre
RF Bautista
CF Ellsbury
LF Braun
DH Ortiz
per fangraphs, all of MLB.
Just out of curiosity, who has a higher WAR, Ortiz or Cabrera? If it was NL rules who would play?
Team Kafka.
"When life gives you lemons, don’t make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don’t want your damn lemons, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life’s manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I’m the man who’s gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I’m gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" - Cave Johnson
You’ll find there’s often a .5 to 1.5 difference in BBR and Fangraph WAR calculations. Fucking lovely aint it. I mean open forum is one thing but christ, some standards just need to be set esp. with one of your crown jewel stats.
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