Rockies Offer Jamie Moyer Minor League Deal
Well, it doesn't say he accepted it yet.
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Jamie can do it
Fifty is the new thirty:
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jan 16, 2012 10:14 PM EST reply actions
My word, she looks scary.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Madonna or Slash - you decide
Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jan 16, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Also, he doesn’t have an annoying British-ish accent.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
True, but she adopted the accent 15 minutes after she moved there.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I guess, but it just falls in the line with the thinking that I find her pretentious as f***. I liked her better when she was just the Material Girl.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Yeah. It was slain pretty hard, too.
And I resisted the temptation to complain about Palin’s fake accent, too!
Oops.
The part I don’t understand is if it’s Pineiro (spelling?) over Moyer. With all these people RAJ has signed to minor league contracts, the idea that he would not sign Jamie is very, very, very annoying. Recall that a minor league contract is essentially no risk. This makes me feel like RAJ has turned the Phils into NL Overdogs, Yankees South.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Honestly, from an emotional standpoint I like Moyer better, but from a baseball standpoint, Pineiro makes a lot more sense by virtue of not being a 49-year-old coming off an injury. Yes, it’s just a minor league contract, but Pineiro has a better shot at being a useful replacement player than Moyer does. As much as I’d love Moyer to pull out another age-defying season, it’s quite likely that he’s no longer able to get MLB hitters out whatsoever, even at a subpar rate. Heck, we don’t even know if he can get AA/AAA hitters out at this point.
That said, I hope he has a great year in the big leagues, even if it’s not with Philadelphia.
by Rujasu on Jan 16, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Moyer wants to play in the Majors. I don’t think the Phillies can offer him that, and to stash him on the Minors would upset him.
I do want to keep Moyer around as a future coach for the organization somewhere in the system. I think he helped Hamels immensely, and I think he’s incredibly smart to be able to pitch this effectively (almost a perfect game remember) as a 47 year old.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
Moyer wants to play in the Majors. I don’t think the Phillies can offer him that, and to stash him on the Minors would upset him.
Would it, though? It’s not like the Rockies are guaranteeing him anything either. And I would be just fine with giving him a Spring Training invite and letting him audition for the rotation in the event that a starter or two goes down. I think Kendrick’s recent contract guarantees him first dibs on that spot, but you never know what could happen.
Some people don't think it be what it is, but it do.
by TheOrangeCone on Jan 17, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
I am not even so sure that signing a deal with the Rockies gives him a better chance. The Rockies hae set themselveces up to have a boatload of options in Spring Training, which means that Moyer at least may get something of an open audition to see where he fits. However, there may be less of a clear road for him to get back to the majors if he does not get the job out of camp, as he could find himself supplanted by some of the youngsters in AAA.
I also would not bet so much on Kendrick having first dibs on the sixth starter’s position- I think his role will look a lot more like it did this year- a sixth starter who is possibly more of a seventh starter, as he would get emergency starts and possibly spot starts, but may be supplanted by Pinero or some other option up from AAA if a starter goes down for an extended period. Part of the money thing is that Kendrick’s offer was not so much representative of what the open market would pay, but in recognition of what he would have received in arbitration (which is based on what he made last year, along with some other factors.
"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."
I love me some Old Man Moyer, but if I was Amaro I wouldn’t go near him. At his age, and coming off surgery, it has to be less than even odds he can be a useful pitcher again. And if you give a minor league deal to Pineiro or Pat Misch and they suck, you cut them and most people don’t even notice.
Would you want to be the guy explaining to the fanbase that you just fired Jamie Moyer?
People would understand. I tend to think the average fan is dumber than the average dumb person, but I think this is one situation in which cutting the guy loose—despite his sentimental value—wouldn’t draw the ire of more unlettered Phils fans.
by 88Lindros88 on Jan 17, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
So would the Rocky Mountain Air make Moyer’s fastball slower or faster?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I believe minimally faster, by virtue of less air pressure. That’s a total guess though, and I anticipate jreed will post a study with hyperlinks to Superchunk, Yrkoon and Black Flag videos and a picture of Charlie Murphy punching Rick James that will disprove my hypothesis, so take it for what it is.
I’d think that Coors would be the absolute worst place for him to go. I mean, it’s the worst place for any pitcher to go, but especially Moyer.
This. TP, you may be right about Pineiro>Moyer, but I can’t see how Colorado makes sense for Moyer in any case.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
I was only venturing a guess as to whether his “fastball” would gain velocity in the thinner air. I agree it’s a bad move, but if it’s the only offer he gets, then it’s the best move he can make. Frankly, a return to Seattle would have seemed perfect. They have a ton of young pitching and are probably second to only San Diego in terms of being pitcher’s parks. Alas, if Denver’s the only option on the table, you bite the pill and hope for the best.
OT, but I think all the philly.com complaints about the Phillies have finally been encapsulated in a doozy of a BR slideshow.
Just when you think it couldn’t get worse…
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
I made the mistake of doing just that. The first missed opportunity is “trading Domonic Brown.” The logic behind it is that Brown is “at great risk at becoming a bust quickly, and top prospects who are busts have a taint to them that causes teams to stay away from them.”
The god-awful syntax in the last clause aside, this is brain-stoppingly bad. That the next missed opp. is upgrading 3B makes this almost plausibly Kaufman-esque trolling of TGP.
Note from later in the article: “not trading again with Ed Wade” is two missed opportunities in one, given that he’s now on the Phillies payroll and Wade “can not even go to another team in the near future,” thus killing any chance of fleecing him in the future. LOL
He actually did. Also he said it was a mistake to sign Rollins without fully exploring SS options, that the Phillies should have signed another impact bat (with a picture of Cuddyer), and (in the same breath) that the Phillies missed out on getting younger. It was a real perfecta.
I’d also be remiss in not mentioning that he lists “not getting good news” about Howard’s ACL as a missed opportunity, which is all kinds of bizarre.
Heh. It does kind of seem like he reads us, doesn’t it? But maybe he just has the uncanny ability to be wrong about every single issue on his own.
I will give him this – this was the most predictable BR article I have ever had the misfortune to read, and it’s not close.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by alcatraz0109 on Jan 17, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
The great part is that any TGP regular could guess half the “complaints” without clicking on the link – upgrade 3B, trade Dom, get younger, get another bat (coughCuddyercough), etc.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by alcatraz0109 on Jan 17, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, thanks everyone for the summary…sounds like I would have lost brain cells had I actually clicked on the link.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Ah, you made me give in and click it.
I think you are confusing that I am saying this is a list that of things that SHOULD have happened. Instead it is a list of things that will not happen.
Ha ha.
My favorite
The article was just an assignment I was given so I took it to identify the consequences and missed opportunties based on the decisions they made, rather than a list of things I would have done differently.
Cormican:
Who would you trade based on the lines below? (the assumption being this player(s) is clearly a bust, and any you keep are clearly destined for stardom)
Player A = .245/.333/.391
Player B = .308/.324/.491
Player C = .196/.324/.373
Player D= .283/.377/.469
Angelina:
So, if you calling players by random letters you assigned to them, I think A is a bust. But not because of your three decimals, but more so because he’s going to be a bust.
Question for you though, why name him Player A and not D or B, as his initials would dictate?
Oh dear.
Angelina:
The one thing that I identified as a “missed opportunity” that I was dissapointed with and would have done differently is trading Brown. The stiff is nothing other than a soon-to-be bust to me, I don’t see any point in keeping him as his value plummets. I am not comfortable with him in the lineup and and I absolutley am not comfortable with him in the field. And it’s the whole attitude/hot dog thing he has about him that is what’s killing him. This team has too many good character and “gamer” type players for them to be screwing around with him. He’s just not someone you identify as a “Phillie” because he plays quite the opposite of one. Not a fit for this team, get rid of him when you can.
Another commenter responds:
In regards to Domonic Brown, you say that you are not comfortable with him in the lineup, but want to change the approach at the plate. Well Brown had one of the better strikeout to walk ratios on the club. He was working counts and getting on-base, which is something your advocating for.
Angelina:
Lol, no Brown’s approach to everything else so outweighs his hitting approach—which is misleading, I can break that down if you do not know why. His approach of being seemingly indifferent to winning baseball, playing and running like he does not care, has no pride, no desire to win, and plays the outfield like he’s standing in line for coffee.
To be specific, there are faults in the way that higher education is conducted in this country, but I think one of its salutary purposes is in teaching us that the truth is often counterintuitive and so you should always be willing to examine your intuitions and put them to the test. That lesson doesn’t seem to be filtering down to very many people, unfortunately.
His approach of being seemingly indifferent to winning baseball, playing and running like he does not care
I’m thinking of a player…
answers “whatever” to almost every question…
didn’t run out a ground ball that one time…
One more hint: it’s not Dom Brown…
Anybody want to guess?
Yeah but he’s totally different. You can tell just by looking at him. I can break that down if you do not know why.
You can tell just by looking at him
Dude, I snorted coffee out of my nose.
by topherstarr on Jan 18, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s good, therefore his apathy is excused.
Some people don't think it be what it is, but it do.
by TheOrangeCone on Jan 18, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
right on cue
Lee was traded on the same day in a move that was intended to “replenish the farm system.” The city of Philadelphia is much too smart to accept such an explanation for a move that was clearly financially motivated.
The Phillies knew that Lee was expecting a huge payday via free agency (ironically from the Phillies, but that’s another story), and they made the decision to get prospects for a guy that they would be unable to re-sign.
Lee is a Cy Young-caliber pitcher, but when he was shipped to the Seattle Mariners the city took it personally.
How dare our beloved Phillies trade away a guy that embodies everything that is great about our city? Blue collared and tenacious, he was a guy that just seemed to “get it” when it came to being an athlete in the greatest sports town in the world.
LOL
by taco pal on Jan 19, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Goddammit all…
Some people don't think it be what it is, but it do.
by TheOrangeCone on Jan 19, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
I admire and respect Jamie Moyer but there’s really no place for him in Philadelphia. Pineiro is a much better bet to contribute, even if you factor in the anecdotal “Moyer teaching the youngsters” angle.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
This, but at the same time I wish Moyer was still with the Phillies. Not so much that I think he is better right now than any of the six starters the Phillies already have but I just like Moyer. That and if he makes even one start this year it’s going to get a lot of attention. So while he’s not with the Phillies from purely a baseball fan’s perspective I’m glad he landed somewhere.
All things considered, I'd rather be in Philadelphia
by Veni Vidi Vici on Jan 17, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
2010
In Moyer’s last season as a Phillie, he posted the second-best K/BB ratio of his career.
Maybe he’s still improving.
Welcome back, Borg.
Some people don't think it be what it is, but it do.
by TheOrangeCone on Jan 17, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
You might try looking for him here.
Some people don't think it be what it is, but it do.
by TheOrangeCone on Jan 17, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, just got back from Istanbul this morning.
I heard the news, a gasp escaped me, and I went into a spiral. I thought that I would try getting away to clear my head with the myriad delights of the orient. Woke up in the gutter yesterday and didn’t know where I was. Tried asking a passing local, but trust that he was the one person in the whole city who doesn’t speak English. Jumped on a passing horse cart, and as the sun rose over the Blue Mosque, the call of the Muezzin was matched in the whole city only by the wails of loss issuing from my own throat.
Out several hundred dollars, with the hole in my heart still present—yea, bigger still, and growing ever larger—I resolved, in despair, to return home, pick up the pieces of my now-broken life, and try to move on. Relying on the good will of passing motorists, and with only a minor incident at the border, I made it back to Sofia as the sun rose on the first day of the rest of my life. As I trudged through my front door, I was greeted by the cheery sight of the white calligraphed P emblazoned upon the sea of red of my old, comfortable Phillies cap, and I was imbued with renewed strength. I went to my closet, removed my #50 jersey, and sat there on my bed, just holding it, running my fingers over the smooth red of the numbers and the rough, silky white of the fabric.
I sat there in remembrance of May 7, 2010, the only game at which I have welled up in a fountain of tears, and all the other sweet triumphs over the years. And as I sat in reflection, my emptiness slowly turned to happiness, and for the first time, I began to imagine that I could go on.
Thank you, Grandpa, for all the memories. You brought me many happy ones, and though they were tempered by an equal share of bitter ones, I will always love you for them. Wherever you pitch, whether it be the treacherous wasteland of Coors or the homely confines of the Cit, you will remain forever in my heart.
I am now, and will be forever, truly
Missing Jamie Moyer
Moyer for 5th Starter in 2012.
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Jan 18, 2012 3:44 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Excellent post
On the bright side, your sig is still applicable.
Another memorable day...
June 16, 2010…
Previous series Phillies lost 2 of 3 in Boston, with Jamie Moyer getting shelled badly on 11th June. Next to New York to play the Yankees. First game, Roy Halliday gets shelled. Oh No!…this road trip has the makings of a disaster! Phillies fall to 32-30.
Next game Jamie Moyer shuts down the Yankees…8 innings, 3 hits, 2 runs. Phillies win, and he becomes the oldest pitcher to beat the Yankees.
I don’t know about you, but it felt like a turning point to me.
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5295568
it did feel like a turning point to me, too… (though I believe it was noted, retroactively, that the true slumpmas was contained between Hamels’ wins over Boston, the second of which was in the third game of the series you mention above, just before Halladay got shelled in NY… but I don’t think we really knew we were out of it till the Moyer & Kendrick games)
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