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The Phillies Have a Lot of Minor League Pitchers Under Contract

(Assumes the Opening Day big league bullpen will include Contreras, Herndon, Stutes)

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Guys who ended 2011 at AA or higher
Phillippe Aumont
Tyson Brummett
Nate Bump
Dave Bush
Chance Chapman
Michael Cisco
Tyler Cloyd
Justin De Fratus
Jacob Diekman
Scott Elarton
Jordan Ellis
Ryan Feierabend
Justin Friend
Frank Gailey
Jeremy Horst
Austin Hyatt
Chris Kissock
Pat Misch
Drew Naylor
Joel Pineiro
David Purcey
J.C. Ramirez
B.J. Rosenberg
Brian Sanches
Joe Savery
Michael Schwimer
Raul Valdes

Guys who ended 2011 at High A
David Buchanan
Brody Colvin
Trevor May
Jonathan Pettibone
Eric Pettis
Julio Rodriguez
Colby Shreve
Juan Sosa
Jordan Whatcott
Adam Worthington

I've never even heard of some of these guys.

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I assume a decent # are ST fodder likely to face the axe

by Cormican on Jan 27, 2012 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed, and a lot of them, like Scott Elarton, are guys where you’re just kicking the tires — it’s a 50/50 at best between “reasonably useful depth guy” and “will retire from baseball after or during ST.” If he turns out to be okay, they’ll have no trouble cutting ties with a guy like Nate Bump, who has been a textbook AAAA guy for as long as I can remember.

by Rujasu on Jan 27, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying this is an existential dilemma for the team. (Frankly, I just did this so I could click on it to keep track of all the names in the future.) I do think it’s odd though.

The one problem that I do think this could cause is that it might further encourage the Phillies to keep too many of these guys and thereby deny some of their lesser prospects a shot to move up. They’ve done stuff like this in the past, even with fewer of these filler guys in camp. It’s never burned them and it probably won’t, but the thought process is wrong.

I think your choice of Elarton is misleading, as he’s literally the only guy who fits the description that you said applies to “a lot of them.” Many of the other guys are cuttable too, obviously, but they’re nothing like Elarton.

by taco pal on Jan 27, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn’t Raul Valdes a lot like Elarton?

by Phrozen on Jan 27, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I would say no. Valdes pitched in the majors last year. He’s your typical borderline big leaguer. Sort of like Misch, except in relief.

Elarton hasn’t even pitched in the minors since 2010 when he posted a 8.24 ERA, and before that he hadn’t pitched since 2008. This is a true “take a flyer” situation, which is unique this year. I’d compare him to Ryan Anderson last year.

by taco pal on Jan 27, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I was really hoping Anderson would make it. Too bad that didn’t work out.

Some people don't think it be what it is, but it do.

by TheOrangeCone on Jan 27, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok. I thought Elarton pitched in AAA last year for some reason. Nevermind.

by Phrozen on Jan 27, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Some of them are filler fodder as well – Whatcott’s a 26-year-old in A+ that they used as their closer late in the year (45 games played, 26 games finished). I think he was the short reliver/setup man before that. Only 63 IP with a 1.254 WHIP and 6.6/2.6 K9/BB9 ratio.

Out of the three A+ prospects (Colvin, Rodriguez, May), I’d say Colvin’s the most likely to make the majors, Rodridguez is the most likely to have a long MLB career if he makes it, and May has the highest ceiling.

Colvin: 20 years old. 116.2 IP, 1.483 WHIP, 6.0 K/9, 3.2 BB/9
Rodriguez: 20 years old. 156.2 IP, 1.009 WHIP, 9.7 K/9, 3.2 BB/9
May: 21 years old. 151.1 IP, 1.242 WHIP, 12.4 K/9, 4.0 BB/9

I think Colvin’s numbers were deflated both by injury and some tweaks they’re trying to make to his mechanics (he has a cross-body delivery). He has a low-to-mid 90s fastball with ridiculous movement (sometimes uncontrollable), a good curveball, and a mediocre changeup. He’s also a true athlete, as he was considered a potential OF prospect with good speed and middling power.

I imagine most people here know I like Rodriguez. Low 90s fastball, mid 70s changeup, and a slow-ass curveball. He’s got a rather hinky delivery that seems to be deceptive. I don’t think he’ll be anything more than a #3 long-term, but if he can get more control, he’s got junkballer stamped on his forehead. Rodriguez had the second-lowest ERA and second-lowest WHIP in the FSL last year (the Mets’ Darin Gorski was lowest in both).

May…I have a feeling he’ll either be great or a complete and total bust. He won’t be a #4 or #5 starter. He’ll either be a #2, a closer, or top out at low AAAA. He’s got a 4-seamer, a curve, and a changeup, and appeared to be tooling around with a 2-seamer late last year.

One sleeper prospect is Pettibone.

Pettibone: 20 years old. 161.0 IP, 1.137 WHIP, 6.4 K/9, 1.9 BB/9
He’s almost the opposite of all the other prospects – great control, but only his fastball is currently a plus pitch. The fastball has a bit of sinking action on it, which batters have been driving into the ground. He had a 1.30 GO/AO ratio, which was actually the lowest of his career. Of the big 3 prospects, only Colvin was at that level of groundball creation.

Bob.

by The Dark on Jan 28, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2012/01/30/latest-contract-info/

Interesting info on Bush and pinero specifically.

"Sometimes, the balls that fall in are jam shots"...Hunter Pence, on BABIP

by Joecatz on Jan 30, 2012 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

list of position players, fwiw

Ended 2011 in AA or above:
C: Erik Kratz, Steven Lerud, Tuffy Gosewisch, John Suomi
IF: Hector Luna, Kevin Frandsen, Pete Orr, Freddy Galvis, Harold Garcia, Cody Overbeck, Albert Cartwright, Troy Hanzawa, Matt Rizzotti
OF: Juan Pierre, Scott Podsednik, Luis Montanez, Mike Spidale, Rich Thompson, Dom Brown, Derrick Mitchell, Steve Susdorf

Ended 2011 in High A:
C: Sebastian Valle, Kyle Lafrenz, Kevin Quaranto
IF: Jeremy Barnes, Gustavo Gonzalez, Darin Ruf, Alan Schoenberger, Cesar Hernandez
OF: Leandro Castro, Brian Gump, Jiwan James, D’Arby Myers, Brandon Tripp, Tyson Gillies

by taco pal on Jan 31, 2012 11:41 PM EST reply actions  

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