Phillies agree to minor league deal with OF Juan Pierre
Yes, they sure did, per Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com.
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I think I need to re-read Fire Joe Morgan again. Pierre was their favorite (player) punching bag after David Eckstein and Darin Erstad.
Is Scotty Pods still on the roster somewhere?
If so, he better not unpack.
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If he agreed to a minor league deal, does it cost league minimum by definition if he makes the ML club?
Probably not. He might make the “veteran minimum,” which is usually a good bit higher than the minimum for rookies, but it seems a lot of these veteran MLC’s offer a nicely-sized bonus for making the team.
I don’t know how I feel about Pierre. Depth is nice, and while MLC’s are generally considered “no-risk,” I can easily imagine him being dead weight on the team and magically getting 300 AB’s. The man should never play in LF due to being a poor hitter, and I’m not sure he’s still adequate defensively in CF. (He never plays RF due to his awful throwing arm.) I can just see the guy putting up a flimsy .310 OBP while rarely hitting doubles and never hitting homers. Did he put up a positive WAR last year? I’m kind of curious about that.
just negative: -0.4 WAR.
oddly though, he had an awful UZR in 2011 (-9.2) after being excellent in 2010 (+12.4), so it might be fair to regress that 2011 number some. because of those two numbers, fWAR has him at +2.9 WAR in 2010 and -0.4 in 2010—I would bet that, given the variance in UZR, he wasn’t quite that good in the former and not quite that bad in the latter. maybe like a 1-WAR player each year.
by perfectdepth on Jan 27, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
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Well this is mildly interesting:
As perfectdepth notes, the difference in Pierre’s fWAR from ’10 to ’11 (2.9 to -0.4) was mostly because of the huge difference in UZR. But Pierre also took a step down in offense, with his wOBA going from .312 to .293.
But check it out. In 2011, Pierre posted almost the same walk rate that he had in 2010 (went from 6.1% to 6.0%). His K rate decreased by 0.6 % points. His BABIP was exactly the same. So his batting average increased by .004. His ISO also increased by .008. So what gives? How could his wOBA have gone down?
Turns out that the answer is, in 2010 he somehow was HBP’d a career-high 21 times, which raised his OBP by about 10 points. In 2011 he went back to a more typical 7 HBPs. Whatever he was doing in 2010 to get himself drilled so much, he should go back to that.
by taco pal on Jan 29, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Omar Moreno.
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I shot the Albatross."
by RememberthePhitans on Jan 28, 2012 8:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why are all these guys signing minor league deals with us? Don’t they know there won’t be room for all of them even in AAA? If I were them, the Phillies would be the last team I’d want to sign with. Maybe they just want to luck out and pick up a ring.
For me the bigger question is why are we signing them all? I understand its no risk for the most part, but It kind of makes me wonder if there are bigger concerns with certain people than we think…
"Sometimes, the balls that fall in are jam shots"...Hunter Pence, on BABIP
We always do that. The only difference is that we usually just sign enough to fill up all the roster spots at AAA (displacing all the C-grade prospects). This year we’re signing more guys than we have spots for and will probably end up having to cut a bunch of them.
Guys with MLC’s being cut isn’t unusual, though. Players don’t sign these deals worrying about how much room there is at AAA, they want to make the big league team (and Pierre has a chance to.) Not making the team, these guys may prefer to be cut so they can go looking for a better shot somewhere else. I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if someone like Pierre has an out clause to avoid actually playing in the minors.
I think that’s a little different. In that situation you have a better chance to make the team (since you have more time to wait for an injury) and if you end up becoming a FA it’s by your own choice.
But in this circumstance, some of these guys are going to be cut involuntarily, at a time not of their own choosing, for failing to make a AA/AAA roster. That’s a less desirable situation to be in.
One good thing about this
Jayson Stark @jaysonst
One thing about Juan Pierre: If #Phillies are tired of swinging & missing, he ranks No. 1 among active players in K/PA ratio (1 every 17.8)
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Amaro just told us that Mayberry and Nix will be the left field platoon unless Domonic Brown really wows them in ST otherwise he goes to AAA
Seen here
This is RAJ’s response to those who want Brown to play alot next season:
yikes...
Let’s say you’re a manager. It can be any manager, but if you want to pretend you’re a specific one — say, someone who reminds you of Foghorn Leghorn on barbiturates — go ahead. Now pretend you’re filling out a lineup card. Nix. Nix. You know that name, but you can’t remember if it’s Laynce or Jayson or Dayve or Paytrick …
But over there on the end of the bench is Juan Pierre. Speedy little fellow. Hits ‘em where they ain’t. He’s a real sparkplug who can get things going and distract the opposing pitcher. I’m not going to say that’s how all managers think. But a couple of them do, at least. And a GM who puts Pierre in the hands of such a manager is an enabler.
at this point, I’m kind of like “eh, fuck it”
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 27, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Where did this come from and why is it so true
Fare thee well, JM. In my book, you were the Greatest.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7890127&c_id=mlb
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Jan 27, 2012 1:14 PM EST reply actions
Oops meant that to be a reply to topher’s comment above.
Fare thee well, JM. In my book, you were the Greatest.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7890127&c_id=mlb
by Missing Jamie Moyer on Jan 27, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
So we dealt Valdez for a reliever and signed Juan Pierre. Oh, that’s right, Ed Wade is back in town!
Ok, both deals are admittedly blah, unless Charlie decides to play Pierre a lot(yikes), I just found it ironic.
Best comparable off the top of my head is Doug Glanville. Decent average, no power, poor plate patience, good at stealing bases. Good defender rangewise, lousy arm. Around the same time, he brought in Brian L. Hunter (not to be confused with Brian R. Hunter.) Brian L. Hunter also had a similar skillset to Pierre, while R. Hunter did not.
Following that, you had Ricky Ledee, Jason Michaels, and Marlon Byrd, none of which are really great comps.
And… oh yeah! He traded Byrd for Endy Chavez. Chavez was worse than Pierre, but I could see calling them similar.
Glanville’s arm stats are mildly above-average, actually.
I guess I can see Hunter and Chavez, but that’s just two guys.
Well, okay, I can believe that, but the arm thing is a pretty minor detail. Glanville isn’t a perfect comp to Pierre, but is anyone really?
Certainly Burrell and Abreu weren’t similar to Pierre in the least. I don’t think Wade ever had a thing for Pierre-like players either, but you asked when he’d ever signed a guy like that, and I do think Hunter, Chavez, and Glanville had the same general skillset. Decent average, no power, no walks, able to play CF.
Never did, but I seem to recall him having a hard on for Pierre himself for a while. Maybe I’m not remembering accurately but I seem to remember him speaking fondly of Pierre while he was GM. Mainly because it seemed like Pierre always killed the Phils in his prime and Ed always desired guys who killed us.
OH FOR THE LOVE OF
Current CSNPhilly Headline: “Juan More On The Bench”
As if we weren’t getting enough of this from BGN…
I officially hate this deal now.
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