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2012 Phillies Player Preview: Jonathan Papelbon - Goodbye Ryan Madson; Hello Lord of the Dance

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When I picked Jonathan Papelbon as a preview player for TGP this spring, I promised myself I wouldn't write about Jimmy Carter, the Bhagavad Gita, and meeting my cousin's first husband. Despite that promise, it's happening. Sorry folks. I will talk some numbers and do a Madson comparison, but I just can't duck the X factor here. Something about Jonathan Papelbon just demands that all the extraneous stuff comes out. It's a story of coming of age, loss of innocence, and regret, and it has to be told.

Papelbon's season with the Phillies will be viewed, fairly or not, through a green filter. The contract he signed didn't write itself, and he can't be blamed for it. Still, if he struggles, he will no doubt bear the fans' ire for a contract that Amaro wrote. As is the case with Ryan Howard, dissatisfaction over his piles of lucre really should be directed at the Phillies executive who was on the other end of the deal.

With the preemptive contract whining out of the way, what exactly are the Phillies likely to get this year from Papelbon, and how might his body of work compare to the closing services provided until recently by Ryan Madson, whom he is replacing?

Star-divide

Papelbon was born during 1980, as was Madson. This fall, both will turn 32. Papelbon will turn 36 following the last year of the contract the Phillies signed him to, assuming that year five vests. Accounts such as this suggest the vesting is likely.

It is fair to assume, given his age, that Papelbon has peaked and is in decline. The rate of the decline may be manageable, as the same linked article from Sports Illustrated does suggest that Papelbon may be productive for some time. In support of the proposition, it relies on the fact that he has been injury-free, and that he has been an elite closer since taking over that role for the Boston Red Sox in 2006, his second year in Major League Baseball. A selected sample of "elite" closers in that article suggests that pitching at a high level for 60ish innings a year is possible for a long time. The "elite" closers selected as comparables certainly were elite and most exhibited (surpise!) longevity. The link between durability and career "eliteness" is obvious, but whether Papelbon exhibits characteristics tending to productive longevity is less clear. Still, it was in SI, right? And like Fredo, all the guys at SI are schmart. Right?

The contract issues aside, what kind of pitcher are the Phillies getting, and what can they expect from Papelbon this year? This is a 2012 Phillies Player Preview and all, although by kvetching about his contract may suggest that I've got some issues with the team signing him for so long and so much. Still, he's a great player, ok? And he's likely to be great this year, whether or not he's great in 2016.

Papelbon essentially throws a two-seam fastball, a slider, and a splitter. His pitch mix, per Pitch fx, has changed since 2007 in ways described nicely at the Hardball Times in this article. While it reviews Papelbon at the end of 2010, the numbers he put up at the end of 2010 are reasonably comparable to his 2011 numbers, so his adjustments in August and September 2010 appear to have carried forward, though, as with all of the Red Sox, the end of the 2011 season was not pretty. His metrics compared to Madson (2011 and career):


K/9 BB/9 HR/9 Strand Rate xFIP
Madson 2011 9.20 2.37 0.30 80.7% 2.25
Madson Career 7.81 2.73 0.87 76.0% 3.68
Papelbon 2011 12.17 1.40 0.42 69.7% 1.53
Papelbon Career 10.67 2.41 0.65 79.9% 2.60

It is worthwhile to recall that Madson accumulated lots of innings as a mediocre starter during 2006, all of them degrading his career "reliever" numbers for K/9, xFIP, and walks. Papelbon had an early stint of starting, too, though. Madson also famously missed time from breaking his toe after kicking a chair, and as a result has missed time, though the soundness of his arm really hasn't been a question. Starting late in 2008, Madson turned it on and has been essentially a 9.5 K/9 -- 2.5 BB/9 -- high 2's xFIP pitcher since. He compares favorably to Papelbon, but Papelbon appears to be a better pitcher on the whole, and especially if 2011 was not a mirage or merely an example of the high degree of variability often captured in the season statistics of low-inning pitchers.

For his career, Papelbon strikes out batters at higher rate than Madson ever has, strands a higher percentage of runners, and has a lower walk rate and a lower HR/9. That said, Madson has walked fewer hitters, at least since 2009. Papelbon had walk problems in 2009 and 2010, but apparently fixed this in 2011. Papelbon also pitched in the AL where there are fewer "easy" outs, though in late games with the opponent behind in the NL, pinch hitters will come up rather than weak-hitting pitchers, so that likely can be discounted a bit. Also, while Papelbon pitched in the tough AL East, he obviously did not have to pitch against the Red Sox, lowering the bar. Still, if the walks are truly fixed, then it's reasonable to expect that Papelbon should be better than Madson. How much better, though?

In terms of WAR, the score is 4.3 vs. 6.2 over the last three years per Fangraphs (from whence all Madson and Papelbon data have come for this post). Reliever WAR can be a funny thing, given the high leverage situations, especially for closers, as well as the limited innings that they play. Keep in mind that Papelbon will pitch perhaps 60 - 70 innings this year of the 1,500 innings the Phillies can expect to play. Still, the consensus appears to be that Papelbon is likely to be a more valuable player, and the metrics bear that out.

Can the Phillies expect a 1 win upgrade from Papelbon over Madson? Maybe. It seems like it was an expensive way to buy a marginal win, but I can still be convinced that a really good reliever is valuable faster than you can say Antonio Alfonseca or Jose Mesa (v.2007). Taking Wilson Valdez (as a second baseman, at least) away from Charlie Manuel may have been more addition by subtraction for the Phillies than the addition by addition with Papelbon, but I certainly don't expect a drop off from Madson to Papelbon. Was it economically efficient? Maybe not, but in terms of raw talent and expected performance, it's hard to come to any conclusion other than that the 65 innings pitched by the Phillies' closer in 2012 will be marginally better than those pitched in 2011.

Whether Papelbon earns his $60,000,000.00 contract will not depend on his talent, which is real, but rather whether his health holds out. That same consideration is the main caveat for 2012 predictions for Papelbon. Whether the Phillies overpaid for him is a moot point at this stage, since the cake is baked. At this point, it simply remains to watch him pitch. And to cheer for him to get good results. Which brings me to the "intangibles" part of this post.

Something about Papelbon bugs me. I venture into this territory here knowing that my inability to articulate a rational basis for this will draw...attention. I alluded to my concerns at the top of the post, as well as the fact that the irrational part of me just won't shut up about it. In a nutshell, I never liked Papelbon's Irish step-dancing, doofus act in Boston. And now he's coming to Philadelphia, and I can't really avoid it. And Ryan Madson has left for Cincinnati, and he was just 100% awesome and didn't carry on too much, other than, say, when he was kicking chairs and putting himself on the DL, but that was, like, eons ago, so he's forgiven. Maybe I'm just feeling Red Sox-ism, but I don't think it's just that. At least hear me out on it.

This offseason, I felt a really unpleasant mix of emotions as the Madson/Papelbon storyline played out. The first was some uneasiness about what the Phillies have become. I am in awe of the financial juggernaut that they have created. It's not like they are the Yankees or Boston, and the owners do not have the absolute wealth of the owners of those teams, but that's a fine distinction if you are a fan of the Royals or Pirates, for instance. I remember the days when the idea of the Phillies spending money on real, actual talent was out of the question. The issue here isn't whether Papelbon is talented, but whether the Phillies paid a little too much for maybe a year or two more than they should have. And this is what I am reduced to whining about. How spoiled have I become? I've become one of the Four Yorkshiremen, talking about how tough it was in the olden days.

Ruben Amaro must feel, having lived through the bad old days himself as a player and executive, something like Robert Oppenheimer watching the Trinity test as he quoted the Bhagavad Gita: "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds." What I used to loathe, as a fan of a "have not" (or perhaps "would not") team, I now see from that same team. It may be my (baseball) middle class values still showing when I've moved to the gated community by the country club.

At the same time, going back to Jimmy Carter, I now sometimes feel lust in my heart. When I consider that the Phillies can go out and sign players like Papelbon, I start to pine (stupidly, mind you) for a purer, more innocent time - what I refer to in current events as the "halcyon days that never were of yore." I look across the street at teams like the Rays and I wonder what it would be like to have deep, young systems and costs that are controlled. I started browsing iTunes for versions of "Where Have All the Flowers Gone?" (Gone to Houston, every one...). And then I wake up and realize that I am really grateful that the Phillies have cash flow and can buy CLIFFLEE!!!s and Papelbons while at the same time keeping their good players (the old ones, at least). It has been easier for me to swallow when it's CLIFFLEE!!! rather than Papelbon, since Cliff Lee is so "gee whiz!" But the Papelbon signing was, for me, the moment the Phillies crossed the Rubicon, though that's grossly naive on my part.

After working through all the emotional turmoil, I am still left with the Phillies losing a draft pick and ending up with someone I fear may turn out to be not that different from Kenny Powers. I mean, the Phillies just got rid of the Lidge contract, right? And the Kenny Powers thing comes not from the (current) talent side (Papelbon is obviously not washed up) but from the side of just too much schtick, or at least schtick that makes my skin crawl. Again, I can't raise any specific objections on rational grounds. It's just that it is like the time one of my cousins brought home her fiancee for the first time to meet the extended family. I spent an hour with the guy, and I knew it would end up badly. I just knew it. Now it's ten years later and she's practically selling organs to pay the custody lawyer.

Papelbon gives me the same vibe as my cousin's ex. Maybe it's the goofy dancing. Maybe it's the uber slow working from the mound. Maybe it's the overly demonstrative manner (which rubs my Chase Utley awe *exactly* the wrong way). Maybe it's the fact he played for the Sawx. I don't know. Maybe when the Higgs Boson is confirmed, physicists can tell us that it is what explains the ability, as with animals fleeing volcanic eruptions or sensing earthquakes before the fact, to be able to spot a douchebag. And while my douche-o-meter is not always perfect, I fear that it may be on the money this time. The Force is strong in this one.

That said, I may learn to love Mr. Papelbon's colorful antics. I doubt it, but I'll try to tolerate him. As a Steelers fan, I learned to tolerate Plaxico Burress. Hopefully I can learn to live with them before I go full Conlin get completely irrational. I'd much rather have it be just about the numbers and getting people out. But maybe someone could pass along the following message to him before the year starts -- just a back channel piece of diplomacy: "A little less Brian Wilson and a little more Roy Halladay, okay?" Do that for me, Paps, and we're good. Baseball has to be good *and* it has to scratch the itches of my personal value system, ok? That makes it betterer. In any case, welcome to Philadelphia, Mr. Papelbon. Please try to act like you've made a save or two before, and we'll be good.

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“A little less Brian Wilson and a little more Roy Halladay, okay?”

Definitely.

Fare thee well, JM. In my book, you were the Greatest.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7890127&c_id=mlb

by Missing Jamie Moyer on Feb 12, 2012 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

Totally agree...

There is just something icky about Paplebon’s behavior… but I guess if he gets us through a few big jams I will learn to love him.

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Feb 12, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Mainly because Brian Wilson is so much of a douche that he wins both Douchebag of the Year AND First Runner-Up Douchebag every year.

Fare thee well, JM. In my book, you were the Greatest.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7890127&c_id=mlb

by Missing Jamie Moyer on Feb 12, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol...

Wilson does have enough Douchebag in him for the whole NL West, doesn’t he?

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Feb 12, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

My feelings with Paps is like yours, I love the player, but hate the person. Alas, I feel that a few good saves and a strong start, I can tolerate the douche-bag in him enough. Like they say, all closers are crazy, Papelbon just takes his crazy in the form of, well, you guy know:

His contract will always really suck, but thats not his fault. Anyone that gets a monster deal on a very competitive team would be nuts to decline. But like I said, a few games in, and we will probably look the other way from his antics anyway.

‎"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov

by JpH89 on Feb 12, 2012 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

F**K, I put that gif in mid post, and forgot to put a title at the top. My bizzy

‎"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov

by JpH89 on Feb 12, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok.. the antics are more than a little funny...

But it should be pointed out that he was not the only one who started it!

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Feb 12, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Teach us more about humor.

by taco pal on Feb 12, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I realize the “wacky relief pitcher” mantra has been beaten to death the last thirty years or so, but what annoys me is with Papelbon and especially Wilson is’t most definitely forced. Also, I can’t help but wonder if it played into his being overvalued on the FA market (hey bring this guy in! the fans will love him! the players love him! hell I love him! let’s offer him a contract!). While wacky relievers are a part of baseball, closers who work as slow as Papelbon should not be a part of baseball. Some Red Sox games this year I wound up yelling “get the game over with already!”

Sid Bream was out, Jeremy Giambi was safe, Pete Rose should be in the Hall, Walter O'Malley shouldn't, and the Expos should be in Montreal.

by Veni Vidi Vici on Feb 12, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

He could pitch a 5 hour 9th for all I care as long as he keeps up the numbers.

‎"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov

by JpH89 on Feb 12, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah I know….it was sarcasm.

Sid Bream was out, Jeremy Giambi was safe, Pete Rose should be in the Hall, Walter O'Malley shouldn't, and the Expos should be in Montreal.

by Veni Vidi Vici on Feb 13, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

My excitement about the Papelbon deal is reflected in my .sig.

GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal

by Bud in TN on Feb 12, 2012 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

Funny! So is mine!

"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez

Ruben Amaro Jr. Delenda Est

by Jose and the Contrarians on Feb 12, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Somewhat off topic, but...

Has your opinion of Ryan Howard’s extension changed any since Prince Fielder and Albert Pujols signed their mega-deals?

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Feb 12, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Great post, RTP. Pretty much my feelings exactly.

Also, those halcyon days? Try telling kids these days that we used to get pay the mill owner for permission to come to work excited when management signed a Type F free agent, and they won’t believe you. But we loved it.

by Phrozen on Feb 12, 2012 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

Through my grandfather I remember them...

He used to call the Phillies “The Strongest Team in the League” because it took a lot of strength to hold all of the other teams up.

I wish he would have lived long enough to see this team.

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Feb 12, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

…The Strongest Team in the league…

Oh man. Awesome. I have to remember that when the Phillies return to oblivion.

by Phrozen on Feb 13, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

And I’m sad now, thinking of it.

by Phrozen on Feb 13, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

What I’m wondering is whether Papelbon’s douchisms will be characterized by the talk radio set as blue collarness and/or winningness. I’m not sure.

by taco pal on Feb 12, 2012 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

There’ll probably be some “love of the game” thrown in for good measure.

by Phrozen on Feb 12, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m sure there’ll be a lot of “he’s just goofy” and “he’s more like a lefty than a righty” comments from Wheels. But while Wheels and the talk radio set are both annoying in their own ways, they’re not really the same thing.

by taco pal on Feb 12, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe when the Higgs Boson is confirmed, physicists can tell us that it is what explains the ability, as with animals fleeing volcanic eruptions or sensing earthquakes before the fact, to be able to spot a douchebag. And while my douche-o-meter is not always perfect, I fear that it may be on the money this time. The Force is strong in this one.

huzzah

by Wet Luzinski on Feb 12, 2012 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

over/under on the first blown save from Papelbon?

A.k.a. “Pap smear”?

Why look'st thou so?' -"With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross."

by RememberthePhitans on Feb 12, 2012 5:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Eyelids are kinda jammed here. I will say that he will either go on a Raulian early season tear or cough up the first two out of three appearances. I doubt there will be a happy medium with this guy, ever.

by Wet Luzinski on Feb 12, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I have nightmares that the season narrative will culminate in his last blown save coming against The Reds in game 7 of the NLCS, a 2 run HR on an 0-2 fastball to Joey Votto, followed By Madson mowing down Utley, Howard and Pence 1-2-3 in the bottom of the inning.

"Sometimes, the balls that fall in are jam shots"...Hunter Pence, on BABIP

by Joecatz on Feb 13, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I love this so much that, with appropriate attribution, I have made it my FB status.

by essman on Feb 13, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I know we discussed Papelbon’s new intro music a while back, but now I see we were going about it all wrong. Instead of trying to come up with a good song for him, we should have been trying to think of the douchiest song imaginable. Maybe something by Blink 182. I dunno.

by taco pal on Feb 12, 2012 7:05 PM EST reply actions  

The 90's idea is spot on

But the Papelbonian brand of douchebaggery suggests something more along the lines of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V6T0lJc3dU

Fare thee well, JM. In my book, you were the Greatest.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7890127&c_id=mlb

by Missing Jamie Moyer on Feb 12, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I recommend having that on in the background while viewing the .gif above.

by Wet Luzinski on Feb 12, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

This is like the music/dance counterpart to found poetry

Fare thee well, JM. In my book, you were the Greatest.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7890127&c_id=mlb

by Missing Jamie Moyer on Feb 12, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah. That song got a lot of play during the ’93 run, and while he would fit in nicely on that team, it does a disservice to the current era to mix the two, IMO.

by 88Lindros88 on Feb 13, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Douchey you say?

Settled

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Feb 13, 2012 7:55 AM EST up reply actions  

There are so many good choices. The Phillies could put up a new selection of five songs each homestand and have the fans text their favorite (standard text rates would apply).

by Wet Luzinski on Feb 13, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel the same way about Papelbon. I’d like him if he wasn’t such a complete nutcase. Now I’m afraid I might like him in spite of that.

Let's go Hawks! Detroit sucks!

by HappyHuman on Feb 12, 2012 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

If he is the right kind of nut, I might like him because of it...

Unfortunately, the chances of that happening are doubtful… I miss Mad Dog already… :,(.

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Feb 12, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

But the Papelbon signing was, for me, the moment the Phillies crossed the Rubicon, though that’s grossly naive on my part.

It was for me, too, but I think it’s because he’s replacing Madson, homegrown, still awesome, who would have been at least somewhat cheaper…. and for, what? a marginal portion of a win? I didn’t see it.

My only real problem with Papelbon himself is that it takes him ages to deliver the fucking ball to the plate. Just get on it with it.

by yolacrary on Feb 12, 2012 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

This. The combination of how much more Papelbon is making than Madson and the draft pick the Phillies lost will probably wipe away any gain the Philles have in signing Papelbon and dumping Madson. Old school baseball people and new school baseball people, SABR guys and anti-SABR guys or whatever you want to call it are in agreement on few things when it comes to what is valuable in baseball, but it seems that there’s agreement across the board that paying for Saves is a bad thing.

Sid Bream was out, Jeremy Giambi was safe, Pete Rose should be in the Hall, Walter O'Malley shouldn't, and the Expos should be in Montreal.

by Veni Vidi Vici on Feb 12, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

to be fair, I don’t think the Phillies could have signed Madson for anything like what he actually ended up getting; even the rumored 4/44 for him would have sat better with me, though I would have decried the misplaced priorities and overpay for closer role

by yolacrary on Feb 12, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

You read my mind...

"Valdez can pitch, Lee can hit... and pigs can fly."

by dannijd on Feb 12, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know if that was actually the moment the Phillies crossed the Rubicon but it was most certainly the moment where none of us could even try and deny it any longer.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Feb 13, 2012 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

also, um, good post an’ stuff

by yolacrary on Feb 12, 2012 9:24 PM EST reply actions  

Something just bugs me about the deal. I’m not sure how you’re thinking about it but, in my mind if he isn’t carrying the 11’ numbers through year 3 maybe 4 than I think we are getting hosed. I understand it’s not his fault that this deal was offered to him nor is it his fault for accepting it (you would be mad not to).

"Learning to eat soup with a knife"

by h2o_34_35_44 on Feb 13, 2012 12:27 AM EST reply actions  

Win the game, ride the bull, pull the tebow, I really don’t care. I don’t see anything wrong with the Kenny Powers acts. It’s funny, and as long as it doesn’t hinder the team, I’ll enjoy them.

I guess I just like colorful relievers, regardless of who or what they played for

"Start playing with some jam in here"

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

Cespedes to the A’s

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Celebrating over 50 years of slightly more Phils wins than losses: 1961-2011

by schmenkman on Feb 13, 2012 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

Uh...

Some people don't think it be what it is, but it do.

by TheOrangeCone on Feb 13, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

Well… good? I guess? We didn’t really need the Fish getting any better, if he ends up being anywhere near as good as the hype.

by TheLuckyOne on Feb 13, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting. $36M over four years. Are the A’s expecting to be relevant in four years?

by Phrozen on Feb 13, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

With a new stadium coming (maybe?) isn’t that the plan?

by FanSince1993 on Feb 13, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

well considering that the ballpark isn’t scheduled to open until the last year of Cespedes’ contract (and not to mention that’s the absolutely most optimistic estimation) I don’t think that has much to do with it.

Sid Bream was out, Jeremy Giambi was safe, Pete Rose should be in the Hall, Walter O'Malley shouldn't, and the Expos should be in Montreal.

by Veni Vidi Vici on Feb 13, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn’t his potential be just the type of draw you would want? (best case scenario not involving trading for prospects)

by FanSince1993 on Feb 14, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, you can borrow against future income.

by taco pal on Feb 14, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe they’re planning on a deep draft in 2015 after dumping him at the 2014 deadline. That would fit their modus operandi.

by 88Lindros88 on Feb 14, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

They do have a ton of good young pitchers and pitching prospects, so they could conceivably put it together within the next couple of years if they can somehow generate offense at a closer-to-average level.

Then again, it seems like everyone has a ton of good pitching prospects nowadays. The standards for pitchers keep getting higher every year.

by taco pal on Feb 14, 2012 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Wha…?

A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.

by doubleh on Feb 13, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s like a contractural blend of Jimmy Rollins and Joe Blanton.

by Wet Luzinski on Feb 13, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Jimmy Blanton. Sounds like a used car salesman or one of those tax attorneys who advertises on late-night TV.

by Phrozen on Feb 14, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Season over/under on Wheels describing Papelbon as 'goofy'?

I say 36 sounds about right with a ton of them coming in April/May.

by MG77 on Feb 13, 2012 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

Over. Even if he’s not relieving, he’ll get mentioned if there’s a potential save or if they discuss payroll.

Bob.

by The Dark on Feb 13, 2012 1:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

How about when Wheels first refers to Papelbon as “goofy” on the air. Before or after Papelbon’s first appearance in a ST game?

by topherstarr on Feb 13, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Before. Same for the first time he calls him “different.”

by 88Lindros88 on Feb 13, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

People have probably already seen this, but Papelbon’s fastball is the best in baseball (per one guy from fangraphs).

by FanSince1993 on Feb 13, 2012 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

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