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My Paranoid Mets/A-Rod Scenario

[editor's note, by dajafi] Disclaimer: I wrote something very similar to the following on BSG, so if you hang out there and were reading the A-Rod thread, you've seen something pretty close to this already.

With the news that Alex Rodriguez is opting out of his contract with the Yankees--announced, in an all-time dick move, during Game Four of the World Series, when most of the baseball world probably didn't want to think about Scott Boras--the question is where he will go, and how much he'll make. For most of us it's well nigh inconceivable to walk away from $72 million guaranteed, but Boras has read the market right a lot more often than he's read it wrong. Someone will pay Rodriguez. (And at least two New York tabloids will go with the cover headline "PAY-ROD" when they do. Bet the farm on this.)

But who? The Red Sox might be a likely suitor under other circumstances, but they're not exactly hurting for talent after winning a second title in four years, and their fans are pissed at the timing of the announcement. The Angels? I think this is the most likely option, but their owner has expressed reluctance to sink a quarter of his payroll into one guy, no matter how good. San Francisco? That makes some sense, but they're already into Boras for another $105 million or so on Barry Zito, and they've just terminated a relationship with an all-time great slugger who seems always to find the "I" in team.

But there's another high-payroll contender out there with both means and motive to sign Rodriguez. And it's probably the last team any Phillies fan wants to see adding an all-time great in the prime of his career: the New York Mets.

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A logical reaction to this might be: "And where will they play him?" David Wright and Jose Reyes, the cornerstones of the Mets franchise, man third base, where Rodriguez has played the last four seasons, and shortstop, where he played his first eight seasons, respectively. Both are in their mid-20s, signed to reasonable long-term deals, and central to the Mets' marketing and identity.

But I think this isn't as much of an obstacle as it might initially seem, and that there could be interest and compelling motivation on both sides. Here it is:

  • In 2000, Rodriguez and Boras were seriously negotiating with the Mets before the team--then coming off the NL pennant--ended the conversation. Rodriguez himself was pretty disappointed when they pulled out. That was several Mets executive regimes ago--Steve Phillips was the GM--so bygones are presumably long since bygones.

  • Assuming the Yankees are seriously out of the A-Rod business, the only other team we know has the resources to pay Rodriguez AND keep the rest of the roster in good repair is the other New York club with a TV network, attendance in the neighborhood of 4 million, and a new stadium opening in 2009. The Mets aren't quite in the Yankees/Red Sox salary stratosphere, but they're close, and the only long-term salary commitments they currently have are for Reyes, Wright, and Carlos Beltran. They can afford A-Rod without having to scrimp elsewhere.

  • The Mets always, always, always love to stick it to the Yankees. For the team and especially their fans, the '80s were good because of '86, Doc, Straw, Carter, Hernandez, Lenny, El Sid and so on; they were great because, while those guys were dominating the spotlight, the Yankees were home every October.

  • The Mets could clear a space at shortstop for Rodriguez by trading Jose Reyes. Unthinkable six months ago, this is almost plausible now. Reyes's star is really dimmed in New York City--justifiably, I think--both from his terrible second-half performance and the many boneheaded plays and jerkish actions he made while crapping out at the plate.

  • But though the Mets' fans, and perhaps their decision-makers, think a good deal less of him today than they did last spring, I seriously doubt he damaged his trade value. There was no injury, he probably hit in some bad luck, and he's still signed to a contract that's staggeringly reasonable in comparison to the free market. Reyes could be the centerpiece in a huge trade for the Mets.

  • If you're Omar Minaya, you're worried about two things this winter. One is the rotation: with Tom Glavine gone, El Duque and Pedro Martinez old and/or fragile, John Maine and Oliver Perez as likely to repeat their September slumps as their May magnificence, and Phil Humber and Mike Pelfrey no closer to proven now than a year ago, there's very little to count on. Two is the growing perception that you aren't as brilliant as the Perez trade and Jose Valentin signing once suggested you were, and the well-grounded fear that your rep could take a second, career-threatening hit after The Collapse if you don't reshuffle the deck in some major way.

  • Signing A-Rod to play shortstop, then trading Reyes, Lastings Millege or Carlos Gomez and a third guy for Johan Santana or Erik Bedard presumably would address both concerns pretty nicely.

Likely? Maybe not. Some feel the Mets' 2007 problems were of chemistry as much as anything else, and Rodriguez is unlikely to appeal to those so inclined. And Reyes is far more likely to bounce back to or improve upon his 2006 performance than to replicate his lousy second half; having traded Scott Kazmir a few years ago, the Mets organization is still haunted by the prospect of dealing away superstar talent (though Santana clearly isn't exactly Victor Zambrano). But the Mets are going to do something big this winter, to get fans to forget about September and try to send out Shea Stadium with a third champion. Adding Alex Rodriguez would scratch multiple itches for them. And they know he can play in New York, at least through September 30.

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Re: My Paranoid Mets/A-Rod Scenario
They could always think about moving Wright to first and getting rid of Delgado. Wright isn't a very good defensive 3B anyway is he?
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by JasonB on Oct 29, 2007 9:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: My Paranoid Mets/A-Rod Scenario
Wright's a fantastic defender, I think. But this has been suggested somewhere on the interwebs. Frankly I think it would make more sense to let Rodriguez play first, if you're going that way, then dump Delgado's salary. But that still leaves their pitching issues.

by dajafi on Oct 29, 2007 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: My Paranoid Mets/A-Rod Scenario
moving Wright or Reyes to second would also be possible, at least if you believe Mets fans on those same interwebs.

this is also my great fear, so you're not alone.

by perfectdepth on Oct 29, 2007 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Didn't he lead the NL in errors?
He led the NL in errors his rookie year(24) and was tied for 3rd most(19) in 2006(among third baseman).

In 2007 Wright had the sixth most errors in the NL(not just 3B) with 21.

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by JasonB on Oct 30, 2007 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Didn't he lead the NL in errors?
Wright as a defender is prone to making the spectacular play and botching the routine one, particularly when it comes to throws. I don't think you move a guy off a high-value defensive position for that; he has the range to play shortstop, I think, and almost certainly could handle second (another possibility if they added A-Rod).

I have very little confidence in my own capacity to evaluate defense, and I haven't tracked down Zone Rating or any of those other metrics. But I suspect Wright would do pretty well by those standards.

by dajafi on Oct 30, 2007 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Didn't he lead the NL in errors?
I think the scenario you move him off is when you have a chance to replace him with a gold glover. Which would be A-Rod.
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by JasonB on Oct 30, 2007 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Didn't he lead the NL in errors?
A-Rod isn't a Gold Glover at third base.

by phatj on Oct 30, 2007 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Didn't he lead the NL in errors?
He could win one this year, but even if he's doesn't he's still a great defensive 3b.
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by JasonB on Oct 31, 2007 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: My Paranoid Mets/A-Rod Scenario
The x-factor here is how much (if at all) the desire to leave New York factored in Rodriguez's decision to opt out.

by WholeCamels on Oct 29, 2007 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: My Paranoid Mets/A-Rod Scenario
This might seem naive (and probably is), but one would think that ARod really wanted to leave NY.  The Yankees were very clear that they would not negotiate if he opted out.  (Here comes the naive part...)  When you are guaranteed to make $25 Million/year someplace but could make another $5M-$10M/year someplace else, I just don't see what the difference is monetarily.  What exactly is he buying/doing with that extra money?  It would seem that he just wants to leave NY, because the other option makes him a greedy, poor role model who is allowing another greedy, poor role model who is ruining the game represent him.  

And yes, I read the ESPN the magazine article on Boras and was not convinced one bit by his arjuments to the contrary.

by PhoenixPhilly on Oct 30, 2007 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: My Paranoid Mets/A-Rod Scenario
The extra money?  Really?  You don't see the difference in between having 150 million extra dollars?  Not everyone in ARod's family is going to play baseball.  Starting up an endowment that his kids, grandkids, and great grandkids can live off of is going to go that much further and stabilize that many more generations financially if he has more money.

Or maybe A-Rod wants to buy a baseball team.  For his grandkids?

by Matt Swartz on Oct 30, 2007 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: My Paranoid Mets/A-Rod Scenario
I think a big part of it was that he wanted to leave NY. I'm sure he'll get a raise while he's at it... but he needed to get out of there.
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by JasonB on Oct 30, 2007 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why A-Rod opted out (?)
I live in NYC and maybe have a different take on this. It's possible that you guys are right, but my strong sense was that he wanted to stay and become the hero of the city--at least until the playoffs.

Rodriguez talked constantly about the aura of being a Yankee, he was absolutely revered here by the end of the season, and he was in some sense a leader on the team--Cano and Cabrera were his proteges, not Jeter's.

But he didn't hit in the ALDS. He wasn't the reason they lost; Cleveland just had much better pitching. But I think the way it played out left a bad taste in his mouth. It's not that he loved Torre, but at least he knew Torre; he probably guessed that the next guy would be an ass-kicker, at least in comparison to Joe, and he might well have deduced that it would be someone connected to the 1996-2000 Glory Days (as proved to be the case with Girardi).

Again, maybe this is something you need to be in NYC to understand. But the Yankee fans fetishize those late-'90s teams, comparing them to the star-studded underachievers of 2002-2007, for their grit and chemistry and fundamentals and all the stuff we at TGP often disdain or, arguably, undervalue. Girardi, Paul O'Neill, Tino Martinez, Scott Brosius--not superstars, but guys who Played The Game Right. And guys who Won In The Playoffs.

He might have imagined that the pendulum would turn back and he'd be the despised guy of 2006 again. That, coupled with Boras's almost messianic push for ever-bigger and more grandiose contracts, probably tipped the balance.

But if they'd won the pennant or the title and he'd hit .350 in the playoffs with five homers, I'm almost sure he wouldn't have opted out.

by dajafi on Oct 30, 2007 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Why A-Rod opted out (?)
I live in Monmouth County and work in NYC. So I listen to WFAN a lot and I'm surrounded by Yankee fans. I agree that he wanted to be the hero of that team and he really did embrace the challenge, but I think he may have thrown up his hands after this past postseason.

I totally agree that had they won the WS he'd never have opted out, which tells me all I need to know about his motivation.

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by JasonB on Oct 30, 2007 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Why A-Rod opted out (?)
I could be wrong, but I think that if A-Rod was open to staying in New York, he would have at least talked to the Yankees. I suspect that the main reason for any bad taste in his mouth would be the media up there. Somehow, I doubt that jumping to the Mets would HELP with that.

As Phillies fans, we can only hope that I'm right on that count.

by Dalton Bouchee on Oct 31, 2007 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: My Paranoid Mets/A-Rod Scenario
I don't really see why they would move arod to first, when they could just move reyes to 2B.  this seems to be a much smarter defensive move for them I would think.  reyes is still so young and I think you're giving up on him way too early.  I don't see why they would trade him especially if you think milledge has even close to the same value

by char6587 on Oct 30, 2007 12:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: My Paranoid Mets/A-Rod Scenario
If I had my way in that scenario, I'd put ARod on second, only because he is getting older and Reyes will likely be a better defender than he over the next few years.  I am not saying it would fly in the ARod camp, but that would likely be the best defensive move of them all.

I still think ARod ends up in Boston pretty much replacing Manny.

by jonk on Oct 30, 2007 7:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: My Paranoid Mets/A-Rod Scenario
I dunno with how the announcement came out.  Boston's fans are pissed and I think their management isn't too happy either.  They might cruicify someone if Boston signs him.  Plus they have good young talent.  They don't NEED him.  I honestly wouldn't count out Detroit.  Makes a lot of sense, they have quite a few Boras players (one of the few teams he has a good relationship with), and they have already shown they will pay when it comes to his clients.  They pretty much went against Selig's wishes when they were signing prospects in the draft.  Plus with their recent success, they have great fan support.  Don't rule them out.

by foos05 on Oct 30, 2007 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: My Paranoid Mets/A-Rod Scenario
And yes, I know they picked up Renteria from the Braves...  but, I think they could trade Inge, and plop A-Rod at 3rd.

by foos05 on Oct 30, 2007 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: My Paranoid Mets/A-Rod Scenario
I think it's going to be the Giants...
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by JasonB on Oct 30, 2007 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: My Paranoid Mets/A-Rod Scenario
I would have to say no, simply because they probably won't compete for their division title let alone the World Series; even with A-Rod.  I think he's going to have to go somewhere that he believes can contend.  If the Angels will spend the money they are the perfect fit, but I doubt they will, so I'm sticking with the Tigers.

by foos05 on Oct 30, 2007 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: My Paranoid Mets/A-Rod Scenario
You think he needs a contender? If they offer him more money he'll sign. I think they would compete in that division with him.
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by JasonB on Oct 30, 2007 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

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