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Down. Out?

Well, that wasn't much fun.

After a charge to the division title as thrilling as it was improbable, the Phillies find themselves a loss away from the offseason. Blame an offense that's gone uncharacteristically quiet, a middle relief corps that was characteristically awful, some bad decisions by manager Charlie Manuel, the pall of suck that hangs over every Philadelphia team in the postseason, or simply a scalding-hot Coloardo ballclub--but there is no more margin for error.

The key moment in today's 10-5 loss was Kyle Lohse serving up a grand slam home run to the least likely slugger in the Rockies lineup, second baseman Kaz Matsui. I hated the decision to pull Kyle Kendrick in favor of Lohse, mostly because I thought Kendrick had already clawed his way out of enough tight spots that he deserved one more chance, but also because Lohse isn't a reliever--and as such, it's a lot to ask that he come in with the bases loaded and the game arguably on the line.

Worse, going to Lohse there all but assured Jamie Moyer would pitch Saturday in Colorado--a matchup made in hell for the aged, flyball-prone lefty who relies on hitters being too aggressive and getting themselves out. The Rockies have drawn eight walks in the series thus far, and struck out to pitchers other than Cole Hamels and Brett Myers just eight times. It's hard to fathom that lineup doing itself in against Moyer.

If there's grounds for hope, consider that the top half of the Phillies offense woke up in today's game. Rollins, Burrell, Utley and Howard went a combined 7 for 18 with two homers, a triple, a walk and all five RBI. If they get off to a fast start Saturday, who knows what could happen.

But if they're to win, they'll have to become just the second team ever to lose the first two Division Series games at home, then win three straight, a feat accomplished only by the 2001 Yankees. They've got about 50 hours to prepare.

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Re: Down. Out?
I can't help but think that if mesa didn't suck so much, one of those 8th or 9th inning runners would have come in...

baaaaaaaaad decision to have him in there.  I didn't think I was going to need to worry about him.

by char6587 on Oct 4, 2007 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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It's beyond ludicrous that Mesa was in that game. Against a patient team with power, he's useless. I was almost not unhappy with the two walks he gave up, because I felt pretty sure things would be worse if/when they put it in play... if ever there was an argument against the uselessness of "experience" for its own sake, Mesa provided it today.

Also, I just hate that guy. Detest him. Never hated a Phillie quite so much. It's to the point where I'm almost gratified to see him fail.

by dajafi on Oct 4, 2007 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Even worse is that Condrey and Alfonseca followed him into the game and pitched at least passably well. Just a really bad decision.

by taco pal on Oct 4, 2007 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Out of curiosity, why do you hate him so much outside of the fact that he is a terrible pitcher?

I am sure you have your reasons, I do as well. I'm just curious.

by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I'll admit up front that it's largely because he was so absolutely atrocious for us in 2003, when there was little else wrong with that team. (Perhaps the blame should lie with Bowa, for using him even after it was clear he had nothing, but then, I'm not a big fan of his either.)

There's also this:

Mesa was involved in a longstanding feud with former teammate Omar Vizquel following the publication of Vizquel's autobiography, Omar! My Life On and Off the Field. In the book, Vizquel criticized Mesa's performance in Game 7 of the 1997 World Series: "The eyes of the world were focused on every move we made. Unfortunately, Jose's own eyes were vacant. Completely empty. Nobody home. You could almost see right through him. Not long after I looked into his vacant eyes, he blew the save and the Marlins tied the game." Mesa reacted furiously, pledging to hit Vizquel upon every subsequent opportunity: "Even my little boy told me to get him. If I face him 10 more times, I'll hit him 10 times. I want to kill him."[2]

And this.

Jose Mesa, a relief pitcher with the Cleveland Indians baseball team, was accused of sexually assaulting two women he met at a bar in the Flats area of downtown Cleveland. His trial began on April 1, the day before the Cleveland Indians opened their season in Oakland, California.

According to the prosecution, Mesa, 30, and his friend, David Blanco, 34, met two 26-year-old women in the Flats area of downtown Cleveland on Dec. 22, 1996. One of the women claimed that Mesa grabbed her purse and placed it around his neck refusing to give it back. In an attempt to retrieve her purse, the woman followed Mesa into his car and the two drove to a motel in Lakewood, a suburb of Cleveland.

The state said that sometime during the car ride, Mesa put his hands down the woman's pants and penetrated her with his finger. The woman's friend followed them in her car and arrived at the Lakewood motel. The women retreated into the bathroom of a motel room Mesa and Blanco had rented to discuss their situation. Mesa pushed open the bathroom door and refused to let the two women have any privacy. One of the women said that Mesa hit her face with the door, cutting her lip and injuring two teeth.

The two women accused Mesa and Blanco fondling them before they could leave the motel room. After the two women left the motel, they were stopped by police for making an illegal right turn on a red light. The police officer noticed bruising on one of the women's faces and asked if she was OK. She responded that she had been assaulted by Mesa.

The defense denied all allegations. Mesa claimed that nothing happened and that the two women had initiated contact with him.

The alleged incident occurred on Dec. 22, but Mesa wasn't arrested until almost a week later. On Dec. 27, police went to Mesa's home with an arrest warrant, but hesitated when they saw his children and other family members at the house. Police developed an elaborate ruse to lure Mesa to another location to arrest him. A female police detective called Mesa's cellular phone and posed as a woman eager to meet him. When Mesa went to meet her, the police arrested him.

The police found a 9 mm handgun in Mesa's car when they arrested him and charged him with carrying a concealed weapon. The judge agreed to defense motions to try the weapons charge separately.

Yeah, he was acquitted. And yeah, I don't hate Brett Myers, who hit his wife, nearly as much. (Though he's also not someone I'd choose to spend time with.) But Mesa just seems to me as repulsive a human being as he is a pitcher.

by dajafi on Oct 4, 2007 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Omar Vizquel published an autobiography?

by taco pal on Oct 4, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I knew about the Vizquel thing, but I had never heard about the sexual assault case.

Phillies have a thing for violent, wife beating relief pitchers: Myers, Mesa, Mateo, and Urbina (though urbina didn't beat his wife, he just went after his workers with a machete and a can of gas).

by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Don't forget Terry Adams.

by taco pal on Oct 4, 2007 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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So, now that everybody is hopefully back from the ledges, what went wrong with today's game that will not be fixed by replacing Mesa with Madson in the 2008 bullpen?

And is there any other team in this postseason (except perhaps these damn Rox) that would even think it was possible to come back from down 0-2, besides these Phils?

by das411 on Oct 5, 2007 1:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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I haven't looked it up, but yeah, I'm pretty confident that all eight teams in the postseason won three straight games at some point this year, two on the road.

It isn't over, it's just tough to see right now. Colorado isn't this good, and we know with absolute certainty that the Phils aren't this bad. But momentum and pitching are everything, and I have a lot of trouble seeing Moyer do better than, say, four innings, 5-6 runs allowed against that lineup in that ballpark. Even so, maybe the Phils erupt for 7 or 8 early runs and hold on to win 13-7; as the cliche goes, that's why they play the games.

by dajafi on Oct 5, 2007 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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So, do we know who's home plate ump for tomorrow night?  BP had a short series of pieces trying to determine who was a pitcher's ump and who wasn't.  Any chance we could get Phil Cuzzi back there?  Eric Gregg being unavailable.

by The Navigator on Oct 5, 2007 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I think the same crew umps an entire series, so tomorrow's ump should be Chuck Meriwether. I tried a Google search, but the results were inconclusive. He seems to have an inconsistent strike zone, but not necessarily in a way that benefits one side or the other.

by taco pal on Oct 5, 2007 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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It's a bummer for sure. Quite a let down after the run they made and even worse considering the way the Eagles have gone so far this year.

With the Eagles in a bye week and coming off an terrible loss, the Phils had an opportunity going into this weekend to steal this city... I fear they've squandered it. My guess is that they win game 3 in Colorado and go down in game 4.

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by JasonB on Oct 5, 2007 2:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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If the Phillies can manage to take Game 3, there'll actually be a glimmer of hope since Hamels will probably go (albeit on short rest) in Game 4.  A comeback from 2-0 would steal this city like nothing else - it would be even better than a sweep.  Not saying it's likely though.

by taco pal on Oct 5, 2007 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Game 5 back in Philly would certainly bring the spotlight with it...
Bleeding Green Nation Philadelphia Eagles Blog

by JasonB on Oct 5, 2007 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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