Parting Ways With Rowand
For months now, I've been on the fence, or rather on both sides of the fence, about whether or not the Phillies should re-sign Aaron Rowand. On the plus side, there's his (now-official) Gold Glove defense, his right-handed power, improved on-base skills and clubhouse presence. On the minus side, he's 30 and an injury risk, he'll command at least four years for at least $10-11 million per year--and maybe much more--and as always when signing a non-superstar free agent, there's a very significant chance you'll wind up paying for what he's done, not what he will do.
I'm getting off the fence. The Phillies should offer Rowand arbitration and a hearty and sincere thank-you for a job well done, and move on without him.
The latest rumors have Rowand seeking at least a four-year deal for $52 million. Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated is on record predicting Rowand will get four years, $56 million. That's $13-14 million a year for a non-superstar's age 31 through 34 seasons.
It's hard to believe he's going to be worth it. Baseball Reference has among Rowand's top comparables Eric Byrnes, whose three-year, $30 million deal would have been palatable for the Phillies, and then Hank Leiber and Wally Judnich, both of whom were finished in the game by age 32. His next two comps are guys I've actually heard of: Shane Mack, who was done as a regular after his age-30 season, and Kal Daniels, an absurdly talented outfielder who couldn't stay healthy and retired at 29. Further down the list are Casey Blake, Mike Lamb and Milton Bradley--all good players, but none of whom are remotely worth $13 million per season.
The projections out for 2008 aren't overly optimistic about Rowand replicating his outstanding 2007 numbers. ZIPS projects him for a .276 average, with .339 on-base percentage and .444 SLG; Bill James has Rowand hitting .287/.347/.473. (Thanks to TGP contributors MattS for posting these numbers, and phatj for formatting them, here. Matt's own projections have Rowand at .290/.349/.473.) With Aaron's strong defense and other contributions, that's arguably worth $13-14 million... but presumably it goes downhill from there.
Were the Phillies possessed of unlimited financial resources like the Yankees or Mets, and/or had no other centerfield options--as some evidently believe to be the case--it might be worth taking the chance anyway. But they aren't, and they do. Committing $50 million or so to Rowand bears a serious opportunity cost, blocking the team from adding another impact player this winter and impairing their capacity to do so in future seasons.
At the same time, they've got Shane Victorino, whose bat plays adequately in right field but very well in center. Shifting Victorino to center, of course, creates some vacancy in right. If Rowand doesn't come back and Victorino takes CF, it looks like Jayson Werth will have some or all of the right field job; the team is confident that Werth can sustain his level of production in a larger role. I'd prefer they match him up with a more potent platoon partner than Greg Dobbs, and it should be possible to do so through trade or free agency, this winter or during the season, at a much lower cost and shorter commitment than Rowand will require.
I'm not saying the Phillies shouldn't want Rowand back at any pirce. If he'd take a three-year deal for less than, say, $38 million, that's probably a good call. Even if they could get him for four years, $40 million, it's close enough that the move could be positive. But that ship probably has sailed, and at this point Rowand would be foolish not to explore a seller's market. If he signs somewhere for five years, $60 million--and I don't think that's an impossibility--more power to him, and I wish him well against 28 teams. We'll move on with Victorino, two high draft picks, and salary flexibility, and hopefully it works out for everybody.
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by FTN414 on Nov 9, 2007 12:40 PM EST reply actions
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I am not at all certain that Rowand (who's also injury prone) is any better of a hitter than Werth in a straight-up comparison. They're certainly in the same ballpark.
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He may end up close to .800 than .750, but it's almost a lock that he'll be on the DL at least once, and he's going to strike out a ton. If his walk rate dips, a good chunk of his value does too.
by FTN414 on Nov 9, 2007 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
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You've mentioned Werth's two biggest weaknesses: (1) his propensity to get hurt, and (2) his high strikeout rate. However, Rowand isn't great in these areas either. He may not be as injury-prone as Werth, but he is still pretty injury-prone. And Rowand will strike out a bit too. Per 500 ABs, Rowand can be expected to punch out about 100 times, Werth aobut 150 times, so we're talking about a difference of 33%. That's significant, but not mind-boggling.
As for the walks, I think your interpretation is just flat-out wrong: Werth's walk rate most certainly does offset his strikeouts, if it doesn't overwhelm them. In every phase of their respective careers, Werth has shown that he can be expected to draw walks twice as often as Rowand. We're talking about 65-75 walks over a full season, in comparison to 30-40. That has a bigger impact on getting on-base than the impact of striking out an extra 50 times and multiplying by BABIP, etc.
If Werth's power is "nothing to write home about", then neither is Rowand's. They've posted nearly identical homer rates throughout each of their careers. Rowand obviously homered a lot more often last season, but one season is one season.
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- .140 ISO, 39.2 XBH%
- .160 ISO, 28.9 XBH%
- .163 ISO, 36.8 XBH%
- .206 ISO, 38.1 XBH
Werth would be an adequate center fielder offensively, but I don't think he has enough on the corner, especially because he can't be relied on. I don't see how you can even come close to justifying Rowand and Werth to be similar injury risks.
Werth's PA's since 2003
51
326
395
0
304
Rowand's PA's since 2003
170
534
640
445
684
Werth would be ok as a platoon guy, but to count on him to be a consistent run producer is pretty silly, and will likely come back to bite us.
by FTN414 on Nov 9, 2007 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
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I don't know what you mean by "cutoffs." When it comes to walk rate and strikeout rate, the ultimate question is: who gets on base more often? The answer is Werth. As for power, I think your analysis should go back further than just the last two years.
I didn't say that Rowand and Werth were similar injury risks. I said that Werth's disadvantage in that area is not as great as it would normally be. I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't mischaracterize my arguments.
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Does that make him injury prone? I don't know but it doesn't seem so to me. He did injure a wrist last season too. I'm not even sure it was the same one. He might be injury prone and maybe he hurts his wrist every year. But maybe he just had a run of bad luck. It's not like he has hamstring problems or knee or shoulder problems that constantly keep him out of the lineup.
I think his low plate appearances are attribtable to him not being a starter as much as his injuries. Last season he would have had a ton of ABs if he was a starter. He didn't miss much time due to injury with that one DL trip.
Werth is a very good athlete. He runs well. He has power and good strike zone judgment. was out for a long long time and came back and had a very fine season. He's not a youngster but he's had his career delayed by injuries. He is another guy who can be a late bloomer.
I expect him to have a lower average but more power if he gets a decent amount of ABs next year. The Phils have the ability to have 4 or 5 good outfielders next season if they don't resign Rowand. They'll have some dough to pick up a guy like Jenkins or even a one year deal for Andruw.
I'd hate to sign Rowand to a 4 year big $$$ contract and have him have a 2006 type season next year and be all washed up in the third year of the deal.
I think Rowand is a fine player and he might have another year or two like last seaosn in him. But I think there are other ways to get good production out of the outfield rather than giving a long term big $$$ contract to a non superstar player in his 30s.
by smitty @ The Good Phight on Nov 9, 2007 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
History....
by Homer on Nov 9, 2007 2:07 PM EST reply actions
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of course, his defense is indeed terrible, and he can't really play anywhere except LF or DH. there, his OBP/speed just isn't worth it.
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Our pitching will be better simply from having improved up-the-middle defense - Utley, Rollins, and Victorino would have to be among the best up-the-middle group in baseball.
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People are just wishcasting on Werth. The man has NEVER logged 400 PA's in a season, let alone the 600+ that an every day player would accumulate. You can blame it on whatever you want. The fact is, he'll be 29 this year. The odds of him playing a full season are slim. If the Phillies are planning around him getting 600 plate appearances, they're simply being foolish, but I wouldn't put it past them. He might have a great skill set, but he's never been an every day player, and he's never played a full season. It doesn't mean he can't, but it means the odds of it aren't great.
We're not a small market team, I just wish we'd stop operating like one. We shouldn't have to rely on a big question mark in RF and a moderate sized question mark in CF, and a black hole at 3B, we should be able to find better options. That said, I don't expect it, and unless our team somehow manages to beat the odds again next year, we'll regress back into the 85-87 win range with the pitching staff we're likely to depend on. Things might change before Spring Training, but again, not holding my breath.
by FTN414 on Nov 9, 2007 5:48 PM EST reply actions
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I am nit HUGE on Werth, but I think he can certainly play a full season.
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I think Werth can get on base. I think he has power. I think he runs well, has a nice arm and can play the field. That's what tyou want from an outfielder I think. Whether he can get to 600 PAs is not even relevant to the discussion in my view. Youput together an outfield with Burrell, Vic and Werth and one more guy who can hit and you've got a good to very good outfield. I don't see anything wrong with this.
I liked your ideas regading Church and Jones and Headley Lamar in your other article here. I don't see the Phils doing that though. That doesn't mean your idea wasn't brilliant. But I think this thread is more about specualtion about what the Phils most likely will do. I could be wrong.
I can see them going with Burrell, Vic, Werth and one more guy who can hit. And that ain't half bad in my view.
by smitty @ The Good Phight on Nov 9, 2007 5:57 PM EST reply actions
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I also think it's possible, though maybe not likely, that a full spring with Manuel and Thompson shortens his swing a little bit and propels him to hit closer to the high end of that .750-.800 OPS range.
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Gillick has been pretty good at getting spare outfielders who can hit. Dellucci had a superb year in '06 and Werth last season. (Wade found Victorino as well so the Phils as an organization have done pretty well here).
Whether it's Jenkins or someone else, I think a 4th outfielder who can hit is doable. Then I'd like to see Jacobs or even T. J. Bohn given a chance as the 5th guy.
by smitty @ The Good Phight on Nov 10, 2007 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
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Goodbye!
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"Ken Davidoff says: If you need a centerfielder, this is your year. Rowand comes with a "grinder" reputation and off a career year.
Prediction: Giants. A five-year, $70-million deal."

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