To the Bullpen!
Imagine you have three starting pitchers with the stats below. The problem is that you have room for only two in your rotation. Which do you send there? (Italicized stats are projected.)
| Year | VORP | WARP3 | WinShares | ERA+ | FIP |
| 2004 | 26.1 | 4.4 | 11 | 105 | 3.77 |
| 2005 | 30.1 | 4.5 | 10 | 106 | 4.13 |
| 2006 | 13.6 | 2.7 | 5 | 93 | 4.60 |
| 2007 | 16.4 | 2.7 | |||
| Year | VORP | WARP3 | WinShares | ERA+ | FIP |
| 2004 | 9.4 | 3 | 6 | 83 | 5.80 |
| 2005 | 27.8 | 4.7 | 12 | 101 | 4.39 |
| 2006 | 29.9 | 5.2 | 11 | 102 | 4.98 |
| 2007 | 7.3 | 1.6 | |||
| Year | VORP | WARP3 | WinShares | ERA+ | FIP |
| 2004 | 11.6 | 3.2 | 6 | 90 | 4.12 |
| 2005 | 8 | 2.5 | 5 | 91 | 3.84 |
| 2006 | 6.4 | 1.7 | 4 | 94 | 5.43 |
| 2007 | 11.8 | 2.1 |

Pitchers 1 and 2 have consistently contributed more to their teams than pitcher 3 has. And, looking into the future, pitcher 1 has the strongest projection as a starter. Pitcher 2 has the weakest, but a decent track record over the past two years. Pitcher 3 has the middle projection, but has had trouble in the past.
Based on these numbers, the best idea is to definitely keep pitcher 1 in the rotation, where he will pitch the most innings. Pitcher 2 probably gets the nod over pitcher 3 because of his past two years, although that's a more difficult call based on the pitchers' projections.
So, who do the Phillies send to the bullpen? Pitcher 1 of course. Pitcher 1 is Jon Lieber, pitcher 2 is Jamie Moyer, and pitcher 3 is Adam Eaton, the oft-injured $24M man.
With Eaton's injury history (according to Steven Goldman at Baseball Prospectus, Eaton "can be injured by such disparate forces as ennui, schadenfreude, and onion dip"), it probably won't be long before Lieber moves back to the rotation. At that point, the Phils will have their strongest group of starting pitchers. Before then, they won't.
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Re: To the Bullpen!
I've said from day one to keep Lieber, use him in long relief and as a spot starter.. he has enough experience to be able to do well in that roll... i have a good feeling about Liebe sticking around... i think he'll come up huge...
with Hamels' back problems it is never a bad thing to have a 6th quality starter...
it is a good problem to have...
TGF? - i've linked you to my blog... how about a double switch?
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by klkatz on
Mar 21, 2007 7:04 PM EDT
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by allentown on
Mar 21, 2007 7:25 PM EDT
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Jamie Moyer is 44. He has no comparables. Look at how his VORP and WARP3 are projected to fall off a cliff next year. While I don't have access to his projections for last year, I'd guess he was projected to pitch poorly then as well. I also believe that Jamie Moyer is one of those pitchers who consistently exceeds his FIP projections, much like a knuckleballer would (I don't have any data to back this up, other than that his FIP exceeded his ERA by an average of .46 runs over the last 3 years.)
Adam Eaton's projections are also skewed by his injury riddled season(s). I don't believe that projections systems can tell the difference between an injury and the year a player loses it.
That said, personally, I think Lieber will be about as good as a pitcher as Eaton will be next year. Signing Eaton was basically a mistake, though not necessarily an avoidable one, as I highly doubt Gillick could have predicted he could get Garcia. Nonetheless, let's imagine what that $8 million could have gotten us instead.
The following are outfielders that signed for 3 less than $3.5 million a year for 3 years or less:
Frank Catalanotto
Trot Nixon
David Dellucci
Rondell White (maybe)
Relievers that signed for 4 years or less at leass than $5 million a year:
Chad Bradford
Jamie Walker
Justin Speier
Octavio Dotel (maybe)
Now, some of those players would have required giving up draft picks, which may have not made them worth signing. However, if you pick a player from each of those columns above, I'd certainly take the pair over Lieber or Eaton.
by christonabike on
Mar 21, 2007 7:44 PM EDT
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by christonabike on
Mar 21, 2007 7:47 PM EDT
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by pacino on
Mar 21, 2007 9:56 PM EDT
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To the DL?
by dajafi on
Mar 22, 2007 12:12 AM EDT
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Still, I agree that this signing will affect my opinion of Gillick a lot. I have hated some of his trades and bad bench/bullpen signings, but he has shown some good moves now and then. His decision to put $24MM to three years of Eaton doesn't appear very good based on numbers, but if Gillick does have a good instinct for less tangible things, he would show it with signings like this.
by MattS on
Mar 23, 2007 5:58 PM EDT
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