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To the Bullpen!

Imagine you have three starting pitchers with the stats below.  The problem is that you have room for only two in your rotation.  Which do you send there? (Italicized stats are projected.)

Year VORP WARP3 WinShares ERA+ FIP
2004 26.1 4.4 11 105 3.77
2005 30.1 4.5 10 106 4.13
2006 13.6 2.7 5 93 4.60
2007 16.4 2.7
Year VORP WARP3 WinShares ERA+ FIP
2004 9.4 3 6 83 5.80
2005 27.8 4.7 12 101 4.39
2006 29.9 5.2 11 102 4.98
2007 7.3 1.6
Year VORP WARP3 WinShares ERA+ FIP
2004 11.6 3.2 6 90 4.12
2005 8 2.5 5 91 3.84
2006 6.4 1.7 4 94 5.43
2007 11.8 2.1

Star-divide

Pitchers 1 and 2 have consistently contributed more to their teams than pitcher 3 has. And, looking into the future, pitcher 1 has the strongest projection as a starter. Pitcher 2 has the weakest, but a decent track record over the past two years. Pitcher 3 has the middle projection, but has had trouble in the past.

Based on these numbers, the best idea is to definitely keep pitcher 1 in the rotation, where he will pitch the most innings. Pitcher 2 probably gets the nod over pitcher 3 because of his past two years, although that's a more difficult call based on the pitchers' projections.

So, who do the Phillies send to the bullpen? Pitcher 1 of course. Pitcher 1 is Jon Lieber, pitcher 2 is Jamie Moyer, and pitcher 3 is Adam Eaton, the oft-injured $24M man.

With Eaton's injury history (according to Steven Goldman at Baseball Prospectus, Eaton "can be injured by such disparate forces as ennui, schadenfreude, and onion dip"), it probably won't be long before Lieber moves back to the rotation. At that point, the Phils will have their strongest group of starting pitchers. Before then, they won't.

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Re: To the Bullpen!
Great analysis...  

I've said from day one to keep Lieber, use him in long relief and as a spot starter.. he has enough experience to be able to do well in that roll... i have a good feeling about Liebe sticking around... i think he'll come up huge...

with Hamels' back problems it is never a bad thing to have a 6th quality starter...

it is a good problem to have...

TGF? - i've linked you to my blog... how about a double switch?

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by klkatz on Mar 21, 2007 7:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: To the Bullpen!
Yes, the Eaton record is not a good one.  Certainly not seeming to be worth $24 mill.  This may be THE signing that answers the question whether Gillick is a doofus or a demi-genius at the modern GM game.  One can question the Rhodes, Nunez, Agon signings, but this is the deal where he really shoved a lot of his chips onto the table.

by allentown on Mar 21, 2007 7:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Unfortunately, the Phillies current situation is one that actually defies statistical analysis to a certain extent. Let's look at the pitchers invovled.

Jamie Moyer is 44. He has no comparables. Look at how his VORP and WARP3 are projected to fall off a cliff next year. While I don't have access to his projections for last year, I'd guess he was projected to pitch poorly then as well. I also believe that Jamie Moyer is one of those pitchers who consistently exceeds his FIP projections, much like a knuckleballer would (I don't have any data to back this up, other than that his FIP exceeded his ERA by an average of .46 runs over the last 3 years.)

Adam Eaton's projections are also skewed by his injury riddled season(s). I don't believe that projections systems can tell the difference between an injury and the year a player loses it.

That said, personally, I think Lieber will be about as good as a pitcher as Eaton will be next year. Signing Eaton was basically a mistake, though not necessarily an avoidable one, as I highly doubt Gillick could have predicted he could get Garcia. Nonetheless, let's imagine what that $8 million could have gotten us instead.

The following are outfielders that signed for 3 less than $3.5 million a year for 3 years or less:
Frank Catalanotto
Trot Nixon
David Dellucci
Rondell White (maybe)

Relievers that signed for 4 years or less at leass than $5 million a year:
Chad Bradford
Jamie Walker
Justin Speier
Octavio Dotel (maybe)

Now, some of those players would have required giving up draft picks, which may have not made them worth signing. However, if you pick a player from each of those columns above, I'd certainly take the pair over Lieber or Eaton.

by christonabike on Mar 21, 2007 7:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: To the Bullpen!
When there's a (maybe) next to a player's name, I meant, maybe do I wish the Phillies had this player. I meant to make that more clear.

by christonabike on Mar 21, 2007 7:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: To the Bullpen!
great stuff man, you really lay it out there for those who think this isn't a big deal.  It may be a small deal, but it's still a bad move.

by pacino on Mar 21, 2007 9:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To the DL?
With Garcia's injury concern as of earlier tonight ("bicep tightness"?), the team's inability to trade Lieber might be a relative blessing in disguise.

by dajafi on Mar 22, 2007 12:12 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: To the Bullpen!
The issue with this post is that there is no age listed.  Moyer is 44.  Lieber is 37.  Eaton is 29.  That makes this a little more defensible.  I don't really like the Eaton signing, but next year, the Phillies will have Garcia and Lieber possibly both leave as free agents, and Moyer will be 45.  The rotation would be Myers, Hamels, and three spots to fill.  I do kind of like the idea of having Eaton signed.

Still, I agree that this signing will affect my opinion of Gillick a lot.  I have hated some of his trades and bad bench/bullpen signings, but he has shown some good moves now and then.  His decision to put $24MM to three years of Eaton doesn't appear very good based on numbers, but if Gillick does have a good instinct for less tangible things, he would show it with signings like this.

by MattS on Mar 23, 2007 5:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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