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Pat Burrell's Good Bad Year

As an mlb.tv subscriber this year, I've had the varying pleasure of watching the game through the eyes of other teams' broadcasters. Some of them, like the San Francisco Giants duo of Duane Kuiper and Mike Krukow, are really, really good. Others (Arizona, I'm looking in your direction) not so much. But what's almost universal in other teams' discussion of the Phillies--and this is also true when the team shows up on ESPN or FOX--is that the first time Pat Burrell comes to the plate, the broadcasters will express some consternation that Burrell is having a poor season, failing to protect Ryan Howard, triggering the wrath of the Philadelphia fans, etc.

I think it's fair to say that this perception lingers within the Philadelphia sports world as well. When Burrell fails--as was the case in the 7th inning of the middle game of the recent Mets series, when he struck out pinch-hitting for Adam Eaton with one out and two men in scoring position--it's expected. (Thankfully, Jimmy Rollins got him off the talk-radio hook by following up with a three-run homer.) When he succeeds--as he did a night later against Billy Wagner, with a game-tying homer in the 9th--it's regarded as a fluke.

Burrell's full-season line to date, at least the stats they flash when he comes to bat, seems to back up this impression: he's 41 for 187 (.219), with 8 home runs and 29 RBI. His slugging percentage is just .401, not what you want from your top right-handed slugger pulling down upwards of $13 million.

But here's where it gets weird for me. It just doesn't feel like he's having that bad of a season. Part of it is the number I haven't mentioned yet: Burrell's .386 on-base percentage. That's driven by the 50 walks Burrell has drawn in 2007, second only to Barry Bonds in the NL. Part of it is that his numbers with runners in scoring position--Exhibit A in every offseason case made against Burrell--are pretty good: .277/.438/.489 in 62 plate appearances.

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And part of it is just the quality of certain at-bats I've seen--which I suppose is the risk of "watching the games," something I didn't have occasion to do nearly as much in previous seasons, before getting an internet connection fast enough to support mlb.tv. I'm specifically thinking of Burrell's first trip to the plate in Tuesday night's 7-3 win over the White Sox. He came up in the bottom of the 1st with the Phillies trailing 2-0, the bases loaded and two out. Chicago starter Jose Contreras had pitched himself into some trouble with a walk and a hit batsman following a Shane Victorino infield single, but he'd already struck out Ryan Howard and was in a position to escape.

Instead, Burrell got ahead in the count, worked it full--and held his swing when ball four floated low and outside. He forced in a run, Greg Dobbs followed with a two-run single, and the Phillies had a lead Cole Hamels could (and did) run with.

Burrell's linescore for the game was 0-2, 2 BB, RBI. Not spectacular, and the paper and Sportscenter focused on Hamels' gem and Chase Utley's big night at the plate. But it's not hard to imagine that if Burrell had been retired there, the whole game unfolds differently.

There's some reason to think that Burrell's unspectacular stat line thus far is a result of bad luck. The Hardball Times has him with a .250 BABIP (batting average on balls in play); the norm is around .300. His early line against lefty pitchers also seems flukish: at .167/.320/.350 before today's 0-2 against Sox starter John Danks, Burrell is about 260 points of OPS below his career averages facing southpaws. With some regression to the mean over the season's remaining 96 games, Pat should approach his usual numbers.

Or maybe the bounces will keep going against Burrell, lefties have figured out a way to consistently retire him, and the numbers will remain anemic. At this point, though, I can't remember many "disappointing" seasons that have looked better, or seemed more productive.

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Re: Pat Burrell's Good Bad Year
The walks and RISP hitting keep him out of the dismal category, but he is definitely not having a good season.  HR power off significantly and that is a very low batting average for him.  Forget the salary, the overall numbers are not good for a starting LF.

by allentown on Jun 13, 2007 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

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i've been arguing on a blog for a while that pat is just having an unlucky year.  his BBAIP for the past month or so has been 180 points off of his career.  he's been smashing the ball, but people are just making plays.

you can state today where fields makes a great play in the hole against a pat ground ball.

by Jamie @ The Good Phight on Jun 14, 2007 12:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Pat Burrell's Good Bad Year
True. Forgot about the Fields play.

He's hit in some bad luck, as the BABIP number suggests. It's the struggles against lefties, whom he's always smacked around, that I don't get. As noted above, I suspect it will even out, and for now it's not killing the team.

by dajafi on Jun 14, 2007 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

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2007 Pat Burrell = late 2005-06 Bobby Abreu?

by das411 on Jun 14, 2007 1:53 AM EDT reply actions  

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i think most reasonable fans' problem with burrell is his "presense" or "approach" at the plate. you often hear he is a "mistake" hitter or that line about him having about 40 good swings a year.

you cite two specific things he's doing well this year and one of them is the problem for most. while in your example, you illustrate how burrell's patience, paid off, it also shows what think is the single biggest gripe with him: the strength of his game is in some ways, just passing the buck.

instead of getting the hit that breaks the game open, most people see burrell as the guy who is happy to take his base and let somebody else (greg dobbs?) put the ball in play and drive in multiple runs. in this view, walks are for the speed guys, and hitting is for the big boppers.

not saying it's right as an observation, only saying that for some, the thought is that a 5-hole hitter should not be above average at walking and average or below at everything else.

by gr on Jun 14, 2007 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Pat Burrell's Good Bad Year
It was an inside pitch he walked on actually.  I was at that game.  His lefty line is flukish; his BABIP is an absurdly low .156 (.303 for his career).
Another thing I've noticed is Burrell often gets "unintentional" intentional walks.  Half of his walks have been just 5 pitches.  Half have of his 50 walks have also come with nobody on base, so he'd be 'batting' around .311 if he had singles with no one on instead of those walks.

Just another reason why batting average doesn't tell much about a player's ability.

by richard on Jun 14, 2007 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

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Burrell is really having a strange year. Looking at the The Hardball Times data that dajafi referenced, there are a few other items that stand out. His ground ball % is down from previous years. For a slow footed slugger, this should be good news. Also, his infield fly % decreased dramatically from last year. However, these positive trends have been negated by a large drop in hr/fly ball and a slight drop in line drive %. So Burrell is putting more balls in the air to the outfield, while playing in a hitters park, yet he is not hitting the ball over the fence and his babip is freakishly low.

Take a look at his pitches/plate appearance vs isolated plate discipline (obp - ba):

2004    4.2    0.108
2005    4.3    0.108
2006    4.3    0.13
2007    4.1    0.167

How is it possible for a player to see fewer pitches yet dramatically increase his plate discipline?

by Celebre Twins on Jun 14, 2007 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Pat Burrell's Good Bad Year
he just isn't a very good player, but for some reason he has a cult of apologists. over the course of a season you can't hit .220 because of bad luck. the walks are better than outs but they are not of great value for two key reasons. first he is amazing slow. burrel will never go first to third and struggles to score from second on a single. his walks are far less valuable than rollins, victorino, utley, or even ruiz's in that respect. it takes alot to score the guy. secondly, he hits sixth which means there isn't a ton of fire power behind him. sure he helps turn over the lineup and keeps innings alive, but ultimately when a middle of the lineup guy walks it passes the responsibility on to the bottom of the lineup. this isn't to say that burrel should chase balls or walk less, but simply that his lack of power and rbis is a bigger indictment of his failings. that said good on him for hitting .270 with men on, but it hardly makes him dangerous. it is still a very pedestrian number. are teh standards that low for the guy that people will dig for any justification of his big league carear at this point?

by erf on Jun 15, 2007 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Pat Burrell's Good Bad Year
People often use the argument of "he can't score from 2nd on a single and can't score from 1st on a double" therefore his walks are meaningless yet they provide no evidence other than "he's slow."
Burrell scored from 1st on a double in the very first game of the season.

by richard on Jun 15, 2007 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

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He makes fewer outs than nearly anyone else on the team. That's really all there is to it. That is the single most important statistic in the game of baseball, and whatever his other weaknesses may be, they cannot completely neutralize that fact.

The singular importance of on-base percentage should be obvious to anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of the game of baseball or the science of statistics. Those who claim otherwise are just putting their ignorance on display.

Burrell just isn't a very bad player, but for some reason he seems to have attracted a pack of demented, mindless attack dogs who pass judgment on him based solely on their distorted subjective impressions without bothering to pay any attention to the actual facts.

by taco pal on Jun 15, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

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amazingly in the last five years on base percentage has gone from a very underrated stat to a very overrated stat. in the 90s no one cared about it, now people talk about it like it is the only stat of value. it matters, but it isn't everything. also the idea that not making outs is the most important thing in baseball is just wrong. nobody would want rollins or victorino to bunt for a basehit with 2 outs and a guy on second. that would be passing the buck and leaving the difficult job of scoring the run to another hitter and in the end scoring the run is how teams win. you need to produce runs and pat burrell does not produce runs. imagine a lineup of 8 pat burrells.
also if pats speed doesn't detract from the value of his walks why doesn't he lead off? when he is gone no one will wish we had his .22o BA and million walks. he will be easily replaced because he is not a very good major league baseball player.

by erf on Jun 15, 2007 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Pat Burrell's Good Bad Year
Tim McCarver, is that you?
I don't even know where to start.  Okay, first with the comedy: "the idea that not making outs is the most important thing in baseball is just wrong." hahaha, cause making outs is certainly the primary goal for the offense "nobody would want rollins or victorino to bunt for a basehit with 2 outs and a guy on second." yeah cause that would be a dumb way to try to get on base
"imagine a lineup of 8 pat burrells."
I have a better idea! Let's imagine a lineup of 9 Pat Burrells!  Last year, this lineup would have scored an average of 6.79 runs per game.

by richard on Jun 16, 2007 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

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were there counter arguments in that post? i must have missed them, unless "haha" counts as a rebuttle. regardless, your best hitters bat near the top of the lineup, so wouldn't you want them to go for the RUN (what really counts!!!) than pass it on to another hitter? also, in case you missed it, this is the national league so having nine pat burrells makes no sense. unless you are trying to say that he hits like a pitcher, which is probably your best argument of the day.

by erf on Jun 17, 2007 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

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you dont make outs to try to move runners along
thats just plain silly for a team this powerful offensively
the fact that you don't remotely understand the importance of OBP and thinks "not making outs isnt important" is laughable hence my response of hahaha

by richard on Jun 17, 2007 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

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first off maybe i am wrong. i have been wrong before and i will be wrong again, but maybe it is a philisophical problem. the idea of AVOIDING outs is very different from GETTING hits. one can go through life with the goal of avoiding negatives or with the goal of achieving positives. i don't care what you didn't do, i care what you did do.

anyway, there is a world between "not imporant" and "not the most important". nuance is great. its what makes baseball. obp matters but it is not everything. when you hit 6th you need to drive in runs. that simple. is burrel hitting in the wrong spot? hard to say since he is too slow for 1, too poor at making contact/bat control for 2, simply not good enough for 3-5, so maybe he should hit lower in the lineup where any contribution is a plus, but his defense hardly justifies hitting him down there with the glove heavy players.

also who said anything about making outs to move runners?

more importantly, if pat burrell is not part of the problem with recent phillies teams, than what is? is it all pitching? the rest of the lineup? j-roll for not walking as much as pat? howard for not walking enough? maybe its mlb for not rewarding the team for playing burrell enough. maybe its manuel for benching our .220 super star down the stretch and not letting him strike out with men on twice a game (no one wants to talk about how much better a ground out is than a K, a K never moves a runner but a flyball/ground out moves people/puts pressure on the defense) but draw two walks, which in theory should win games, but somehow doesn't.

someday the phillies will play in the computer and burrell will be the mvp, but until then get it together pat.

by erf on Jun 18, 2007 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

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a ground ball can lead to a double play and that is far worse than a strikeout

"more importantly, if pat burrell is not part of the problem with recent phillies teams, than what is? is it all pitching?"

well..

Batting
2007 1st (as of now)
2006 1st
2005 2nd
2004 3rd
2003 5th
2002 7th

Pitching
2007 15th (as of now)
2006 11th
2005 10th
2004 13th
2003 8th
2002 9th

Yeah, I'd say so.  In the last five years, their offense was in the top 5 four times, and top half every time.  The pitching was in the top half only once (just barely in 2003).

by richard on Jun 20, 2007 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

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the only time i find myself thinking "don't hit into a DP" is with a pitcher up. i expect more out of position players. is pat burrell like the shitty little leagure who is required to play and everyone hopes he doesn't mess up too much? yeah atleast he doesn't hit into DPs all the time.

I still contend that contact is better than a strike out most of the time. of ocurse a DP is the worst case scenario, but an out that moves a runner is better than an out that does not. niether is as good as a hit or a walk, but if given the choice i'd take the sac fly, the rbi ground out or even just put the pressure on the other team. after all these are people who have to make the plays.

as for pitching, yeah it is pitching and it has been my entire life. it probalby will be for the life of this ballpark. burrell really only is 1/8 of the lineup. then again if you play in a pitchers park and know it don't you have to get offensive production out of every position especially spots like LF and 3B?

side arguemnts aside, i say burrell is having a bum year. not helping the team. he could be worse. so could everyone.

by erf on Jun 20, 2007 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Burrell is the 17th rated LFer in the NL by VORP. That isn't good.  (Rowand is the number 1 CFer and Victorino is 9th amongst RFers).  It's true that he gets on base very well.  But he has only scored 25 runs and driven in 29.  

I know there is some team dependency involved in the above but he's also a guy in the middle of a lineup that has scored the most runs in the league. I realize him sitting out some games and being replaced early in many others hurts his stats somewhat.  But 17th in the league is still 17th in the league.  There are guys ahead of him that have fewer PA than he does.  

Burrell isn't a really good defensive outfielder (although he seems to work hard at it and he isn't terrible) and he is a really slow runner.

I think the bottom line regarding Burrell is he must slug more than .407.  Slugging Ave, especially for a non-defensive specialist, slow running left fielder is very important.  

by smitty @ The Good Phight on Jun 15, 2007 6:18 PM EDT reply actions  

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Again, not making outs is the most important things.  He may not be scoring runs, but every out he doesn't make is a possibility for runs.  Worst case it gets everyone else in the line up more PA's which is more chances to score runs

by Homer on Jun 15, 2007 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Yes.  Getting on base (and not making outs) is very important.  But so is slugging.  Much of  time in the last several years, the Phils have had a very high OBA -- 1st or second in the league.  And when they also have a high slugging average they lead the league in runs scored -- like right now.  And when they haven't been near the top in slugging they were more in the middle of the pack in runs scored.  (I'm talking about during the season here, not the end of season results.  The Phils have been near the top of the league in all three categories in recent years).

Look at Colorado this year.  They are right behind the Phils in OBA and tied for 8th in slugging.  They are also 8th in runs scored.  If OBA was so important, it wouldn't be this way.  Both OBA and slugging are important.  Thanks to the wonderful folks at baseball-reference.com we can look this stuff up.  And the evidence shows us that Slugging is important, nearly as important as OBA if not just as important  (This is NOT a one year thing -- I'm not going to list all of the examples, anyone can look this stuff up in minutes).  

As for Burrell, he's a slow, not all that great defensive LFer.  He needs to slug the ball to be really valuable.  He's getting on base, which is great.  But he's not scoring a lot of runs so he isn't helping the team nearly as much as he should be at this point.  He's not worthless.  But he also hasn't been real good.  (OF course, he could get hot for a few weeks and change things pretty dramatically -- but for now, he just hasn't been all that good.)

by smitty @ The Good Phight on Jun 16, 2007 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

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How exactly are there 16 LFers with higher VORPs than Burrell in a 16-team league? Are part-timers like Mike Bourn included in those numbers Smitty?

by das411 on Jun 16, 2007 2:53 AM EDT reply actions  

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Atlanta has two LFs (Willie Harris and Matt Diaz) who rank ahead of Burrell.

by Seth @ The Good Phight on Jun 16, 2007 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

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Bourn is listed.  He's got a 2.9 VORP for 21st in the league.  Actually, that's very good for a guy with only 42 plate appearanes.  VORP is playing time dependent in many ways.

by smitty @ The Good Phight on Jun 16, 2007 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Pat Burrell's Good Bad Year
I'm not making an MVP case for Burrell here. Just that he generally has good at-bats, and there's reason to suggest he's hit in some bad luck.

Smitty's right, though, and so's Gillick. Burrell's primary job is to drive the ball and produce runs. My point is just that, even as he's not done real well at those things in 2007, he hasn't killed the lineup.

Maybe another way to think of it is this: if Burrell walked half as often as he does, he really would be having the awful year some are claiming for him.

by dajafi on Jun 16, 2007 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Pat Burrell's Good Bad Year
Some incredibly intelligent person posted this on backshegoes.com just a little while ago..

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First off...

Based on 150+ ABs in left field:

Pat ranks 18th with a .773 OPS. Only 3 left fielders have an OPS over .900. Jason Bay is 11th with a .835 OPS. Pat is doing better than superstar David Dellucci who has a .697 OPS and Jay Gibbons who SO many people wanted to replace Abreu a few years ago who is sporting a .564 OPS. In addition, Pat ranks 4th in left fielders in not making outs percentage. Pretty freakin good for a player who's batting average is close to the mendoza line.

NONE of this is saying that Pat is playing well. He has been extremely average in everything but batting average and OBP. One is below and one is above. Please do NOT use that he is making 13 mil a year excuse either. That has no value in player analysis and Pat was making 9 mil last year when people hated him and he put up a .890 OPS and 7 mil the year before when people loved him and he put up a .890 OPS. If you want to complain about how much he makes, AT LEAST average his salaries to be a bit more honest because he was making significantly less which helped the team pay for players prior.

Pat Burrell is NOT a superstar. And he is struggling this year, but I expect him to come out of it. The guy deserves some FREAKIN slack.

OPS ranking among left fielders the last 6 years...

  1. 6th
  2. 4th
  3. 10th
  4. 20th
  5. 3rd
  6. 8th
Pat has been top 10 in OPS among left fielders 5 times in the last 6 years. Top 5 twice (and a 6th). Nobody is happy about his play, but people REALLY have to stop this crap about him. It will only get worst because most people hate to think about what they are saying, but it is completely aggravating having to listen to the same whining about him when he has actually performed prior to this.
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Pat hasn't been good, but he has looked a lot worse than he has actually performed.  What bothers me about him is that he is performing best at home, which is probably a significant advantage for him (HRs and walks).  Either way, I can't imagine this will continue for the entire year.

by jonk on Jun 17, 2007 4:34 AM EDT reply actions  

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