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Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)

Internet and sports-radio rumors have free-agent pitcher Kris Benson in Philadelphia today, possibly to finalize a free-agent deal with the Phillies. The 33 year-old right-hander missed the entire 2007 season, but had been a durable and reasonably effective back-of-the-rotation starter in his three previous seasons, pitching between 174 and 200 innings in each with ERA+ scores of 100, 99 and 95.

The appeal of Benson is that essentially he's Kyle Lohse, the former Phillie still hanging out on the free-agent market, but will come cheaper as a result of his questionable health: maybe one year for less than $5 million, compared to Lohse's likely demand of something like two years, $20 million. This makes sense if you regard both as roughly equal risks for 2008, and indeed their career numbers are fairly similar...

Benson: 7 years, 1207.3 IP, 68-73, 4.34 ERA, 1.38 WHIP, 102 ERA+
Lohse: 7 years, 1164 IP, 63-74, 4.82 ERA, 1.43 WHIP, 95 ERA+

If anything, Benson looks better by this comparison. But Lohse is more than four years younger, has a cleaner bill of health (in fact, he's never missed a large chunk of time with injury), and two of his last three seasons were better than Benson's (e.g. Lohse's 2005 vs. Benson's 2004; since Benson missed '07, they can't be directly compared). Lohse's career numbers are dragged down by his atrocious 2006.

Star-divide

In truth, as I commented in the previous thread, the Phillies need both guys. It's implausible enough to imagine Cole Hamels and Brett Myers, both of whom missed at least a month last season, making 30 starts apiece. It's even less likely that 45 year-old Jamie Moyer and previously unheralded Kyle Kendrick are good for, say, 350 decent innings between them. And let's not even revisit the Adam Eaton question, or the dubious prospect of getting solid work from the likes of the Durbins or J.A. Happ or Travis Blackley.

Adding both Benson and Lohse gets the Phillies some redundancy and insurance. They're both decent #3 to #5 options, and given the likelihood that Benson won't be 100 percent recovered by Opening Day, the only guy pushed out of the rotation is Eaton--who's a perennial injury risk himself. By the time Benson is ready for action in May or June, one of the first five likely will be hurt or ineffective.

My fear is that the Phillies will stick with Eaton from their habitual failure to appreciate the concept of sunk costs, and at best will add Benson as a nod to practicality. In normal times, this could be a defensible course of action, But as noted here and elsewhere, these aren't normal times: you've got three superstar regulars in their primes, one legitimate Cy Young contender and another guy who could win 15-18 games, and other pieces in place to make a run at the whole thing. You've got a division rival that has shown they'll mortgage the future to win now. Phillies management owes it to their players and fans to go the extra mile--and get both Lohse and Benson.

(No, I don't think this will really happen. It just should.)

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Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
I agree with you.  We need at least one of these guys and Benson seems to be less of a risk for the phils at a one year performance based deal.  Plus, we get to look at Anna as a bonus.  (maybe we can get a maxim pictorial in a phillies jersey?)

by schrifty on Feb 11, 2008 3:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
Yes, we may get to look at Anna Benson (a sad indicator of American sexism run amok), but unfortunately we will also have to hear her too.

I am not prepared to have to deal with this kind of silliness being printed in the daily news on a regular basis (the daily news is already way past it silliness quota for the rest of eternity):

http://www.annabenson.net/popups/2005_09_13.htm

But, I still agree that we should sign Benson - just maybe add a clause that forbids Anna Benson from entering the state.

by FuquaManuel on Feb 11, 2008 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hee hee
I remember that letter. Re-reading it now, I'm struck by the gulf between her vehement loathing for Moore and how she repeatedly implies that he probably has some valid points. She just detests him on style grounds.

Overall, my impression is that she's been very, very quiet since Kris was traded from the Mets (which she didn't like). But if you're seeing stuff in the Daily News, maybe I'm off the mark here.

by dajafi on Feb 11, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: hee hee
no...she hasn't been in the daily news (yet...) I am just saying she is the kind of person I could see them latching on to and "reporting" about on a regular basis. Once a tabloid, always a tabloid.

by FuquaManuel on Feb 11, 2008 5:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: hee hee
I think Cataldi is a far greater threat along these lines than the Daily News would be. Cataldi fancies himself to be a sports-specific JV version of Howard Stern, and this would feed right into his act.

by taco pal on Feb 13, 2008 12:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Benson or Lohse
The Kris Benson signing would be a step in the right direction to address the depth the Phils lack in the starting rotation.  Though, my gut tells me that Benson may not be able to withstand the Philly punishment if he comes out of the gates slowly.  Even with this signing, the Phillies are one solid pitcher away from getting their rotation up to snuff.  I think they are staring a third place finish in the face.
Chris Iafolla http://heardinthecheapseats.com/

by Chris Iafolla on Feb 11, 2008 6:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
I like how she signs the letter "Anna Benson, Wife of NY Mets Pitcher Kris Benson" like it's some kind of credential.

The silly thing is that hundreds of professional athletes have smoking-hot wives. The amount of publicity that Anna Benson gets is far more an indication of her hunger for attention than of sexism, if you ask me.

by Seth on Feb 12, 2008 2:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
This is from today's daily news:
The Phillies don't appear any closer to signing righthander Kris Benson, though he remains a much more likely option than bringing back Kyle Lohse, who went 3-0 in 13 games with the club after he was traded from the Reds. A team source called the possibility of signing Lohse, 29, "remote."

by schrifty on Feb 12, 2008 9:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
Saw that. Not great news, but also not sure it means anything. They're trying to get Lohse for the lowest price, and "remote" is still far from "we're not interested." They are interested.

by dajafi on Feb 12, 2008 11:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
It's amazing that reporters still think that they are conveying worthwhile information by telling us a pitcher's win-loss record.

by David S. Cohen on Feb 12, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
He won 3 and didn't lose any !? Sign him up now ! Throw the bank at him ! The media will never learn

by fredex1 on Feb 12, 2008 4:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
3-0 in 13 games! Thats like a guaranteed 8-0 in a full season!

by schrifty on Feb 12, 2008 6:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
According to the master of meaningless (Todd Zolecki), a deal between the Phillies and Benson is imminent and could be official as soon as tomorrow.  Just thought I would through that out there...

by Neduol Caz on Feb 12, 2008 6:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
Actually, I think Zolecki's the best baseball writer we've had in this city in any of our lifetimes. He's certainly the most openminded when it comes to statistical arguments. (No, I'm not related to him.)

by taco pal on Feb 13, 2008 12:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
I am not sure we can label him a writer.  He just sort of copies already well known topics and stories  and manufactures pieces for the Inquirer.  How about, Todd Zolecki the manufacturer.  Of course, maybe I am the only one who feels this way.

by Neduol Caz on Feb 13, 2008 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

by taco pal on Feb 13, 2008 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
From the zo zone:
The Phillies could reach a conclusion in the Kris Benson sweepstakes as early as tomorrow.

The Phillies continue to talk with Benson's agent, Gregg Clifton, about a one-year contract. Benson has thrown for the Phillies three times this off-season: once in December and twice recently in private sessions with Phillies scout Chuck LaMar.

If Benson, who missed last season recovering from right shoulder surgery, signs with the Phillies, he would compete for a starter's job with Adam Eaton, Chad Durbin, J.D. Durbin and Travis Blackley.

Last year the phils thought they hah too many starters with 6.  This year we have like 10!! LOL
It is good to see some competition for adam eaton, i hope it isnt just a smoke screen.

by schrifty on Feb 12, 2008 6:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
Scott Lauber backs up Zolecki, after having talked with Benson's agent. Sounds like they could finalize something Wednesday.

by dajafi on Feb 12, 2008 11:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
It is now close to official! KEn Mandel is reporting on Phillies.com that the deal is likely to be complete in the next 24-36 hours.  The phillies as well as Benson's agent have confirmed this as well.  Maybe Benson can bounce back from injury and be a solid #4-5 starter.

by schrifty on Feb 13, 2008 12:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
This probably will be a deal we can all live with. Just wish I had a better grasp of how close to 100 percent he is.

by dajafi on Feb 13, 2008 12:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
And, as I predicted, with the signing of Kris Benson comes the concomitant drivel about his wife:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/12601541.html

He got a minor league deal for christ's sake!!!! And our TP quality newspapers already feel the need to make a spectacle of his wife.

by FuquaManuel on Feb 13, 2008 3:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
I never really thought she was all that attractive.

The current Phillies wives generally seem like normal human beings of the 21st century, not your stereotypical baseball bimbos. Will be an interesting dynamic.

by taco pal on Feb 13, 2008 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
Aside from the fact that Cole Hamel's wife is a Playboy model.

by FuquaManuel on Feb 13, 2008 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
To be fair, that article was written in December. They just re-linked to it.

This doesn't really annoy me all that much. As I said before, WIP will be much worse.

by taco pal on Feb 13, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
That is true. A sign of things to come perhaps. 610 will definitely eat it up, you are right.

by FuquaManuel on Feb 13, 2008 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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