Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
Internet and sports-radio rumors have free-agent pitcher Kris Benson in Philadelphia today, possibly to finalize a free-agent deal with the Phillies. The 33 year-old right-hander missed the entire 2007 season, but had been a durable and reasonably effective back-of-the-rotation starter in his three previous seasons, pitching between 174 and 200 innings in each with ERA+ scores of 100, 99 and 95.
The appeal of Benson is that essentially he's Kyle Lohse, the former Phillie still hanging out on the free-agent market, but will come cheaper as a result of his questionable health: maybe one year for less than $5 million, compared to Lohse's likely demand of something like two years, $20 million. This makes sense if you regard both as roughly equal risks for 2008, and indeed their career numbers are fairly similar...
Benson: 7 years, 1207.3 IP, 68-73, 4.34 ERA, 1.38 WHIP, 102 ERA+
Lohse: 7 years, 1164 IP, 63-74, 4.82 ERA, 1.43 WHIP, 95 ERA+
If anything, Benson looks better by this comparison. But Lohse is more than four years younger, has a cleaner bill of health (in fact, he's never missed a large chunk of time with injury), and two of his last three seasons were better than Benson's (e.g. Lohse's 2005 vs. Benson's 2004; since Benson missed '07, they can't be directly compared). Lohse's career numbers are dragged down by his atrocious 2006.
In truth, as I commented in the previous thread, the Phillies need both guys. It's implausible enough to imagine Cole Hamels and Brett Myers, both of whom missed at least a month last season, making 30 starts apiece. It's even less likely that 45 year-old Jamie Moyer and previously unheralded Kyle Kendrick are good for, say, 350 decent innings between them. And let's not even revisit the Adam Eaton question, or the dubious prospect of getting solid work from the likes of the Durbins or J.A. Happ or Travis Blackley.
Adding both Benson and Lohse gets the Phillies some redundancy and insurance. They're both decent #3 to #5 options, and given the likelihood that Benson won't be 100 percent recovered by Opening Day, the only guy pushed out of the rotation is Eaton--who's a perennial injury risk himself. By the time Benson is ready for action in May or June, one of the first five likely will be hurt or ineffective.
My fear is that the Phillies will stick with Eaton from their habitual failure to appreciate the concept of sunk costs, and at best will add Benson as a nod to practicality. In normal times, this could be a defensible course of action, But as noted here and elsewhere, these aren't normal times: you've got three superstar regulars in their primes, one legitimate Cy Young contender and another guy who could win 15-18 games, and other pieces in place to make a run at the whole thing. You've got a division rival that has shown they'll mortgage the future to win now. Phillies management owes it to their players and fans to go the extra mile--and get both Lohse and Benson.
(No, I don't think this will really happen. It just should.)
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Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
by schrifty on Feb 11, 2008 3:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
I am not prepared to have to deal with this kind of silliness being printed in the daily news on a regular basis (the daily news is already way past it silliness quota for the rest of eternity):
http://www.annabenson.net/popups/2005_09_13.htm
But, I still agree that we should sign Benson - just maybe add a clause that forbids Anna Benson from entering the state.
by FuquaManuel on Feb 11, 2008 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hee hee
Overall, my impression is that she's been very, very quiet since Kris was traded from the Mets (which she didn't like). But if you're seeing stuff in the Daily News, maybe I'm off the mark here.
by dajafi on Feb 11, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: hee hee
by FuquaManuel on Feb 11, 2008 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: hee hee
by taco pal on Feb 13, 2008 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Benson or Lohse
by Chris Iafolla on Feb 11, 2008 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
The silly thing is that hundreds of professional athletes have smoking-hot wives. The amount of publicity that Anna Benson gets is far more an indication of her hunger for attention than of sexism, if you ask me.
by Seth on Feb 12, 2008 2:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
The Phillies don't appear any closer to signing righthander Kris Benson, though he remains a much more likely option than bringing back Kyle Lohse, who went 3-0 in 13 games with the club after he was traded from the Reds. A team source called the possibility of signing Lohse, 29, "remote."
by schrifty on Feb 12, 2008 9:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
by dajafi on Feb 12, 2008 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by David S. Cohen on Feb 12, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
by fredex1 on Feb 12, 2008 4:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
by schrifty on Feb 12, 2008 6:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by Neduol Caz on Feb 12, 2008 6:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
by taco pal on Feb 13, 2008 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
by Neduol Caz on Feb 13, 2008 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
by taco pal on Feb 13, 2008 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
The Phillies could reach a conclusion in the Kris Benson sweepstakes as early as tomorrow.
The Phillies continue to talk with Benson's agent, Gregg Clifton, about a one-year contract. Benson has thrown for the Phillies three times this off-season: once in December and twice recently in private sessions with Phillies scout Chuck LaMar.
If Benson, who missed last season recovering from right shoulder surgery, signs with the Phillies, he would compete for a starter's job with Adam Eaton, Chad Durbin, J.D. Durbin and Travis Blackley.
Last year the phils thought they hah too many starters with 6. This year we have like 10!! LOL
It is good to see some competition for adam eaton, i hope it isnt just a smoke screen.
by schrifty on Feb 12, 2008 6:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
by dajafi on Feb 12, 2008 11:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
by schrifty on Feb 13, 2008 12:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
by dajafi on Feb 13, 2008 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/12601541.html
He got a minor league deal for christ's sake!!!! And our TP quality newspapers already feel the need to make a spectacle of his wife.
by FuquaManuel on Feb 13, 2008 3:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
The current Phillies wives generally seem like normal human beings of the 21st century, not your stereotypical baseball bimbos. Will be an interesting dynamic.
by taco pal on Feb 13, 2008 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
by FuquaManuel on Feb 13, 2008 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
by taco pal on Feb 13, 2008 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kris Benson or Kyle Lohse? (Answer: Yes.)
This doesn't really annoy me all that much. As I said before, WIP will be much worse.
by taco pal on Feb 13, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Feb 13, 2008 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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